[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I feel it in shoulders and almost the inside portion of my pecs when I go deeps.
Triceps as well, obviously, but the most prominent is my shoulders. For that reason I don’t use dips so much for tricep specific work but rather for a full upper body push movement.
Kind of a deadlift for the upper body, if you will.[/quote]
I feel it in my chest and tris the most. Especially if I am leaning forward a little bit.
When I use a weight that allows 8-12 reps I tend the not lockout the bench. Also, if you concentrate on “pushing the hands toward each other”, you can get much better chest activation than just pushing the bar up. CT mentioned this in an article if you guys are interested in it, I can find it. Also trying the tear the bar apart will activate the tri’s more than the chest.
Nocturnal feedings can be useful if you find it difficult to gain weight. They are totally unnecessary for me, but there are people out there who just cant seem to get enough in during the day. I imagine guys who carry around 200 + pounds of lbm might have a revving metabolism that could benefit.
[quote]SSC wrote:
New question, and you could say this follows the mind/muscle connection a bit, but does anyone else feel it in their lats or lower traps when doing heavy dips? I know if I can actually get around to grinding some out, essentially my whole upper body is incorporated into the exercise.[/quote]
I feel it mainly in my tris, shoulders and some chest. But when approaching 100+ it becomes less about a specific spot and more of a general upper body effort.
New topic.
Fairly simple, but I was just wondering what everybody else does and their thoughts. Here it goes.
How much water do you all consume during a training session?
I have consumed up to a full gallon in 1 hr. Awesome pump from all that water, but I think it is a bit too much. I try and stick around 1/2 gallon depending on how much I sweat.
I’ve read a little on the benefits of cell volumizing. Products like creatine, etc cause this. Water retention during a workout has the potential to increase a pump and further stretch muscle fascia during exercise potentially giving greater muscle growth with proper nutrition, etc, etc.
Consume too much water and it has some very severe health risks, even death. I wonder where the line is?
So what do you guys do?
Sound like a good topic?
In a bodybuilding sense I think we can even get into water manipulation leading up to a show. Sound good?
Gerdy
I drink a little between sets, do not measure it much. Probably 20 oz over 50 minutes. That does not include my Surge, an additional 16+ ounces. May not be enough, just follow how I feel.
I love this thread. As a newb, I am learning a ton from everyone and have realized that the most important thing is to learn how your body reacts to EVERYTHING. For example, fat loss for me is a lot faster if i eat a 150-200 calorie meal right before bed, and then have 1 scoop of protein when i wake up to pee in the middle of the night. Just an example of how experimenting has helped and is a huge component of what i have learned from reading a lot of the posts here. keep the thread here.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
New topic.
Fairly simple, but I was just wondering what everybody else does and their thoughts. Here it goes.
How much water do you all consume during a training session?
I have consumed up to a full gallon in 1 hr. Awesome pump from all that water, but I think it is a bit too much. I try and stick around 1/2 gallon depending on how much I sweat.
I’ve read a little on the benefits of cell volumizing. Products like creatine, etc cause this. Water retention during a workout has the potential to increase a pump and further stretch muscle fascia during exercise potentially giving greater muscle growth with proper nutrition, etc, etc.
Consume too much water and it has some very severe health risks, even death. I wonder where the line is?
So what do you guys do?
Sound like a good topic?
In a bodybuilding sense I think we can even get into water manipulation leading up to a show. Sound good?
Gerdy[/quote]
I don’t generally try to measure specifically how much I drink, especially because I drink so much before and after workouts. Before, when I was using Nalgene bottles, I would limit it to one Nalgene or a bit more through a workout (32 oz.), but now that I’m not using them, I just try to keep the water coming in consistantly.
I drink maybe a liter. Thats just a guess though. Actually, its probably closer to 1.5 or 2. I have a bottle of water and a bottle of Surge the water has .75 liters in it, the Surge has 6-8 ounces. I refill the .75 liter bottle continuously and get sips in between sets. In short I just drink a couple sips of water in between set and stay hydrated enough.
i don’t measure water either, i just sip on some between sets, however if drinking more during training will give me a better pump i will have to try it. i usually go through a one liter bottle during and then obviously whatever tea and coffee i’ve had in the hour beforehand and whatever water is in my post-workout drink.
It all depends on how much water I have consumed already that day or how hot in the gym it is. But usually it’s one 20 oz. bottle. Sometimes I need two though.
Alright, I have a question inspired by today’s workout: How often do you guys get sick or start to feel heavily nauseated during a workout? Mine are usually exclusive to leg days (and apparently now dead / back days) but it’s really only happened to me a few times. I haven’t actually puked during a workout, though.
If im busting ass to failure and beyond, i might get a little light in the stomach, but ive only actually tossed my cookies twice in the gym.
Once in squats, 20 reps, breathing squats
The other time, it was during seated rows, i had already done deadlifts and weighted chins, and was going to failure with drop sets, and just lost my Surge on the last rep.
–JB
[quote]SSC wrote:
Alright, I have a question inspired by today’s workout: How often do you guys get sick or start to feel heavily nauseated during a workout? Mine are usually exclusive to leg days (and apparently now dead / back days) but it’s really only happened to me a few times. I haven’t actually puked during a workout, though.[/quote]
Feel that way every leg day here recently, actually. I threw in more sets and weight, and now I feel like I’m working on making some damn good legs.
[quote]WS4JB wrote:
If im busting ass to failure and beyond, i might get a little light in the stomach, but ive only actually tossed my cookies twice in the gym.
Once in squats, 20 reps, breathing squats
The other time, it was during seated rows, i had already done deadlifts and weighted chins, and was going to failure with drop sets, and just lost my Surge on the last rep.
–JB[/quote]
Sounds like my dad a bit today… ‘heavy’ deads, ‘heavy’ goodmornings, and by the time I got to DB rows, I almost spewed all over the damn place.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Alright, I have a question inspired by today’s workout: How often do you guys get sick or start to feel heavily nauseated during a workout? Mine are usually exclusive to leg days (and apparently now dead / back days) but it’s really only happened to me a few times. I haven’t actually puked during a workout, though.[/quote]
I trained with a high level amateur competitor on leg day for my first competition. I thought I was hardcore. He brought a puke bucket and I thought it was a joke. I didn’t really think that people would go that far.
Needless to say I used that bucket that day. The workout sucked. I probably would have been fine if it wasn’t a few exercises at the end in a giant set. This after squats and leg press before the giant set. A little water came out and I was fine to go on to calves a few mins after that. lol
I’ve only gotten sick 3 times. Once from that. The other time I was still hung-over from the weekend and stupid in high school. The last time I really thought I was sick.
I get the sick or nauseated feeling but now it just motivates me to bust ass even more. Mine are leg day and deads as well.
Gerdy
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Trying to mimic the smith version with free weights would best be done in a power rack using the rack as a guide. Imagine pressing into the rack trying to strip the paint off of it on the raising and lowering phase. Pushing “towards the feet” is the one benefit that you lose trying to do it traditionally with free weights that’s very important to me. [/quote]
ahh i see, so push towards feet. will keep that in mind. what about your position on the bench? in wojo’d dvd, they only have their upper back on the bench with no support on lower back, whats the idea behind that?
as for water consumption, i dont think its meaningful to even measure it. i jsut drink whenever i want to, and i have a gallon of water with me all day so i can take sip whenever i want to.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Early results are coming in, and it looks like folks are wanting to keep it here in the BB forum.
I think we should give it a couple of days before we do anything rash.
Carry on…[/quote]
I realize I’m hours late but, i think it is best to keep it in the Bodybuilding forum as many who participate in the thread don’t have access to the T-Cell
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Scott M wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Reverse grip done in a smythe gets a lot of buzz.
I hope ScottM might chime in, I know he’s using them right now.
I suppose they could be done with a spotter, but given the mechanics of it all, using a smythe seems to be the safer option.
lol most of the buzz comes from me on this site I think. The DC guys love that exercise and Dante feels its THE best triceps builder so there is at least some merit to it.
Trying to mimic the smith version with free weights would best be done in a power rack using the rack as a guide. Imagine pressing into the rack trying to strip the paint off of it on the raising and lowering phase. Pushing “towards the feet” is the one benefit that you lose trying to do it traditionally with free weights that’s very important to me.
Yeah, when I first started doing reverse grip smyth benches I didn’t know about the “pushing towards your feet” trick. I still felt them in my triceps of course (I have fairly decent mind/muscle connection), but once I started incorporating that “trick” I felt a notable difference and even more triceps activation.
I don’t really think you could get the same effect using just a free bar (though Scott’s Power Rack suggestion would work), even with a spotter. I just don’t think they could provide the right kind of restriction in bar path. Agree though that using the Smyth is the easiest/safest option.[/quote]
You know, I don’t like the Smythe for much, but that was a damn good tip Scott. I’ll have to give this a try.
Yeah please keep this thread here. It’s one of the few threads I enjoy still and I can’t post in the T-Cell.
I tried those forearm excercises today posted up, man i look like Popeye 
Cheers all !