[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
well, im having trouble sleeping, so i thought i would throw another question out there.
Most over rated exercise
lat pulldowns…the lats can get hit with sooo many better exercises yet you see a bunch of people still doing them. I personally only use them at the beginning for a warm up or the end to burn them out. I’d never include them as part of my staple back builders…
most under rated exerceise
pull-ups, chins…under rated because everybody is on the lat pull down. I think these are 2nd to deadlifts for overall back builders…
Keep in mind, this is for bodybuilders, not powerlifters,football players, etc.
Gerdy[/quote]
Wow, I think you’ve got it the wrong way round. My lats are responding VERY well to lat pulldown, nothing pumps them up like it - have you tried close grip?
Edit:
Also, how are pull-ups UNDER-rated? Everyone here is always raving about them.
Looks like I wont be joining you guys in the T-Cell just yet. I’ll just have to pay my dues a little longer…
As far as before bed eating (or anytime really) I’ve always liked 1 cup of cottage cheese, 2 tbsp of P-Butter and a few spoons of flax seed. Nice chunk of slow digesting protein mixed in with some healthy fats for a slow burn all night long. I think it tastes pretty damn good too.
as far as pre bed meals, does anyone have late night feasting…say you wake up thirsty and get some water…do you grab a bite to eat while your there?..i have a tendency of doing this lately.
I think this thread should stay where it is.Apart from being an out and out solid gold thread,I believe that it could act as a very appropiate member ‘feeder’ into the new T-Cell Alpha forum.
It appears to be bringing a lot of guys in from self imposed posting exile,making it a very much needed open thread.
Er why isnt Triblulas in there and there is some people who live in the SMA in there…
Also as California Law is back from exile put him in there too to keep everyone honest !
For the question concerning weakest body parts, mine are my biceps, no questions asked. I’d really love to blame my dad’s genetics, because he’s got a great frame except for his biceps, but I won’t buy it. I just never curled because I saw it as pointless. Wish I would’ve known better.
Most overrated execise? Well, I’d have to say flat-barbell bench. It’s a fairly good test of overall upper body strength, but I feel like flat dumbbell bench boosts more growth in my chest.
Most underrated exercise - On these boards, I wouldn’t say there’s any, but in the real world, I’d be forced to say A2G squats or the deadlift. I [unfortunately] had some buddies in a frat at my old college, and they’d come in as we were doing deads. I’d ask if they do them or something like, and they’d generally reply with “Nah, brah, bad kneez.” I get a lot of people coming up to me DURING A WORKOUT and telling me about how I’m going to fuck myself by doing A2G squats.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
I think this thread should stay where it is.Apart from being an out and out solid gold thread,I believe that it could act as a very appropiate member ‘feeder’ into the new T-Cell Alpha forum.
It appears to be bringing a lot of guys in from self imposed posting exile,making it a very much needed open thread.[/quote]
I agree. I know I’m not the only one who’s intention is getting HYOOGE, but haven’t put enough time in on the boards to be a T-Cell guy, so we need somewhere hardcore to go. It’s a shame though, I’m seeing less vets on this thread the last few days.
I Like it being a feeder. Besides bringing people out of the woodwork, there are several self-proclaimed newbs who are participating here, and that is good. This thread should be like a magnet for new people who join that are actually serious about looking bigger than a mannequin at the gap.
About late night eating…
when I’m dieting, no.
If I’m not…sure.
Many people who are gaining and struggle to get in all their calories will make a shake and when they wake up to pee chug it and go back to sleep.
I don’t think pulldown machines are overrated. I just think most people use them improperly. I also don’t think smythe machines are useless and I think leg press can be a tremendous quad builder. Call me crazy.
Barbell bench, and I really hate the ‘what you bench’ question. Not cuz I’m bad at it, its always been one of my strong points. I just think alot of people are shoulder benchers ( I worked very hard to get myself out of that)
and it has great potential for injury when the weight gets heavy enough.
DB bench, with a deep stretch, is a superior CHEST builder IMO.
Yes, I still bench on a regular basis, and will continue to until I hit a few goals. But, my opinion is still my opinion on the matter.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I don’t think pulldown machines are overrated. I just think most people use them improperly. I also don’t think smythe machines are useless and I think leg press can be a tremendous quad builder. Call me crazy.[/quote]
I think that’s quite correct - most machines in the gym aren’t useless and have their place, they just need to be used correctly.
Sticking to say 5 exercises without any variation is just silly.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
This is a great thread with a real old school feel about it, here is a question I would love to see discussed:
How many calories in excess of your daily maintenance level are required to optimally build mass?[/quote]
There is no set amount - it varies from person to person. Some need a couple thousand more due to really fast metabolisms, some don’t (like me).
It’s all about trial and error - if you are gaining strength and size and not too much fat then keep at it, if you not then eat more, and if you are getting to fat, eat less or workout more.
speaking of the bench press; when its used as a primary chest builder do you think its nesecery to get the full ROM, meaning the lock out portion? i ask cause the first portion of the lift is what involves the chest and ive even read about just doing a half rep then a full rep to get better chest stimulation. anyway, im wondering what you guys think about this.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
This is a great thread with a real old school feel about it, here is a question I would love to see discussed:
How many calories in excess of your daily maintenance level are required to optimally build mass?[/quote]
I think the question has a few factors to it. I think it’d depend on HOW much mass you’re aiming for, and if you’re willing to sacrifice some BF to reach that goal. I think it also depends on what kind of frame you have, a guy who’s 5’4" isn’t going to need as much as a guy who’s 6’3". That being said, my maintenance is around 3,000-3,300, and I’m trying to continue losing this fat. After that, I’m going to be shooting for a ballpark of a.t least 4,200 calories a day.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I Like it being a feeder. Besides bringing people out of the woodwork, there are several self-proclaimed newbs who are participating here, and that is good. This thread should be like a magnet for new people who join that are actually serious about looking bigger than a mannequin at the gap.
[/quote]
I hope this thread doesn’t move. I’m a total newb, but this thread has inspired and motivated me to reach for my body’s true potential. I wanna be big.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
I Like it being a feeder. Besides bringing people out of the woodwork, there are several self-proclaimed newbs who are participating here, and that is good. This thread should be like a magnet for new people who join that are actually serious about looking bigger than a mannequin at the gap.
About late night eating…
when I’m dieting, no.
If I’m not…sure.
Many people who are gaining and struggle to get in all their calories will make a shake and when they wake up to pee chug it and go back to sleep.
I don’t think pulldown machines are overrated. I just think most people use them improperly. I also don’t think smythe machines are useless and I think leg press can be a tremendous quad builder. Call me crazy.[/quote]
Totally agree with the leg press Swole. Ever since I got serious with body building, and started doing heavy leg press, my quads exploded. I couldn’t fit into my jeans peak bulk because my quads and ass had grown so much from doing close footed leg press and deep squats. I can’t wait for my next bulk because I miss my leg press and squat numbers blowing up almost on a weekly to bi-weekly basis.
Leg press, (I’m referring to a laying high angle sled) is very challenging when done with enough weight. I widen my legs out a bit and bring my knees out towards my shoulders so I can go a little deeper. It lets me get the full ROM for my legs without giving my the lower back dipping/pressure I get from doing squats ass to heals.
I’ve also heard good things about using a high angled foot plate for more of a hamstring press. Kind of the ham motion of a sumo pull.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Leg press, (I’m referring to a laying high angle sled) is very challenging when done with enough weight. I widen my legs out a bit and bring my knees out towards my shoulders so I can go a little deeper. It lets me get the full ROM for my legs without giving my the lower back dipping/pressure I get from doing squats ass to heals.
I’ve also heard good things about using a high angled foot plate for more of a hamstring press. Kind of the ham motion of a sumo pull.[/quote]
Yes, that’s the machine I use. I don’t use the regular seated leg press. I go for the torture machine, the angled leg press, seat back as far as it goes, feet placed high on the foot plate(helps hit the quads more for me and take pressure off my knees), and feet close together( no more than a foot apart), even more quad dominant. It’s an amazing exercise and I love doing them.
[quote]rsg wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
WS4JB wrote:
well, im having trouble sleeping, so i thought i would throw another question out there.
Most over rated exercise
lat pulldowns…the lats can get hit with sooo many better exercises yet you see a bunch of people still doing them. I personally only use them at the beginning for a warm up or the end to burn them out. I’d never include them as part of my staple back builders…
most under rated exerceise
pull-ups, chins…under rated because everybody is on the lat pull down. I think these are 2nd to deadlifts for overall back builders…
Keep in mind, this is for bodybuilders, not powerlifters,football players, etc.
Gerdy
Wow, I think you’ve got it the wrong way round. My lats are responding VERY well to lat pulldown, nothing pumps them up like it - have you tried close grip?
Edit:
Also, how are pull-ups UNDER-rated? Everyone here is always raving about them.[/quote]
I personally get a better workout from any type of pull-up/chin variation than from the pulldown machine. I add weight with my pullups and it seems that the pulldown machine just hasn’t cut it for me. I put it as underrated because I think people should be doing pull-ups/chins ahead of lat pulldowns. This is just my opinion of course, on this topic certain exercises will work better for other people. Nobody is wrong because this is all a matter of opinion. This is just my personal feelings towards the topic.
Well about 3/4 of the people posting on tnation know wtf they are doing. When I was thinking of underrated/overrated I thought about all the morons lifting in my gym and came up with those two. I rarely see anybody else in the gym doing weighted chins or pull-ups where everybody is always doing the lat pull-downs with 60lbs and not even working hard. I have done pretty much every pulldown imagineable and it just doesn’t cut it for me. Thats good it works for you. The only type of pulldown that has worked for me is the hammer strength machines, where you are adding plates to the rear of the maching and the movement requires you to pull down and back. The rom hits my lats a lot harder than a regular pulldown.