[quote]GetSwole wrote:
nothing, and I mean nothing, makes my traps sore like heavy deads and rack deads with a double overhand grip.
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I hardly do direct trap work and this statement basically sums me up. My traps are always burning the day after heavy deads.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
dwilliams wrote:
rainjack wrote:
dwilliams wrote:
Should someone who wants bigger arms train the arms directly? If you don’t know the answer then you don’t know shit. Seriously, this does not need to be discussed.
I’m sorry - but who the fuck are you again?
I’m dwilliams, duh!
A guy who knows that you have to train arms if you want bigger arms.
You jump in at the end of the discussion not knowing what the fuck was even being discussed.
I’ll give you a few minutes to read up. Then you can either rephrase your statement to reflect something that was actually said, or you can offer an apology for being such a dipshit, or you can just slink away and learn that beginners should read and listen 5 times more than they should speak and type. [/quote]
Maybe you’re right about me not knowing what’s going on. I’ve read the last few posts and it seems the topic is about directly training arms. If not, then I guess I was wrong.
I do hope the dipshittery does not infiltrate this thread.
Discussion and debate does not = flaming and trolling.
For fuck’s suck, let us have ONE thread devoid of cunthood.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
How many people today are not couch potatoes?
Honestly? Hopefully no one posting in this thread. I agree, if you fall down during slight breezes when walking and find grocery carts extremely difficult to push when there is nothing in them, you just may need to avoid direct biceps training and focus on overall development of basic strength. If, however, you can curl 35lbs on your first day in the gym, train EVERYTHING directly and indirectly.
I thought this thread was devoid of the non-serious lifters?[/quote]
Is that DB Curls?
I think the posts are pretty much devoid of non-serious folks - excepting this 50 post nimrod who is obviously only here to stir the pot.
But I would say that out of the 20K plus hits - there has to be some youngins’ reading what is being written.
I don’t think there is a right answer. Do it. Don’t do it. If you are going to be in this game for very long - I don’t think the first year or so of training will make or break your physique goals.
A competitive BBer told me not to do arms when I was 17, and then I read Dave Tate saying pretty much the same thing. I formed my opinion based on what I was taught, and what another big son of a bitch said.
[quote]SSC wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
I have done shrugs off and on, but nothing, and I mean nothing, makes my traps sore like heavy deads and rack deads with a double overhand grip.
Shrugs are alright, but most people do them incorrectly anyway. And for the love of god don’t roll shoulders back in forth in a “shrug”.
Holy shit, you’re not lying. Biggest pet peeve is when a frat-curler walks up to the rack, grabs a pair of 90 lb dumbbells, stands right in front of the rack that he got the dumbbells from, and without moving out of the way, proceeds to do “roll-shrugs.” What the fuck are these even working out, the rotator cuff?[/quote]
I will tell you from knowing people who’ve done it that it is a recipe for rotator cuff disaster. Having bad shoulders, thats the only exercise I’ve ever volutarily advised someone that their form was wrong on.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Well, unless people still want to discuss directly training arms, go ahead, but I’ve got a new question.
How much do you guys directly train your traps? Generally, I get a lot out of my deads / rack pulls / cleans, but I’ll still generally throw in three to five sets of (fairly) heavy-weighted shrugs.[/quote]
I only do shrugs and I do them when I train shoulders. I had backed off of them for a while because I was under the impression that they were overpowering my shoulders. I no longer think this as I very rarely see people with traps that are honestly too big.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Is that DB Curls? [/quote]
Yes. When I first hit the gym (a YMCA), I could curl that much. I understand I may not be the typical newbie as I did have a store bought cheap ass weight set from Target that I bought myself before then, but I also didn’t know many kids growing up who couldn’t do that much or damn close to it. But then, they also weren’t couch potatoes and played…GASP…outside.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Is that DB Curls?
Yes. When I first hit the gym (a YMCA), I could curl that much. I understand I may not be the typical newbie as I did have a store bought cheap ass weight set from Target that I bought myself before then, but I also didn’t know many kids growing up who couldn’t do that much or damn close to it. But then, they also weren’t couch potatoes and played…GASP…outside.[/quote]
I know most members of a certain 6-man high school football team that would not be able to curl a 35.
But they are all masters on the Halo 3.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
How many people today are not couch potatoes?
Honestly? Hopefully no one posting in this thread. I agree, if you fall down during slight breezes when walking and find grocery carts extremely difficult to push when there is nothing in them, you just may need to avoid direct biceps training and focus on overall development of basic strength. If, however, you can curl 35lbs on your first day in the gym, train EVERYTHING directly and indirectly.
I thought this thread was devoid of the non-serious lifters?
Is that DB Curls?
I think the posts are pretty much devoid of non-serious folks - excepting this 50 post nimrod who is obviously only here to stir the pot.
But I would say that out of the 20K plus hits - there has to be some youngins’ reading what is being written.
I don’t think there is a right answer. Do it. Don’t do it. If you are going to be in this game for very long - I don’t think the first year or so of training will make or break your physique goals.
A competitive BBer told me not to do arms when I was 17, and then I read Dave Tate saying pretty much the same thing. I formed my opinion based on what I was taught, and what another big son of a bitch said.
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yeah i’m reading this stuff and it’s golden…as has been stated…i’ve been adding 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps in direct arm work after the big stuff and noticed that it helps my strength on the big stuff. for example, last week i did chins with 25lbs attached afterwards i did bb curls w/ 80lbs (not much i know) for 6-8 reps. i did chins this week from a dead hang w/ 35lbs attached for the same # reps (4). so i would say that x and rj both have valid points…as everyone posting here probably knows.
Not every athletic pursuit requires upper body development. Soccer and cycling bulked my legs up but did nothing for my arms. I think a focus on a general strength building first would be useful for many newbies. If someone already has some upper body development, let them move on to curls if they want.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Not every athletic pursuit requires upper body development. Soccer and cycling bulked my legs up but did nothing for my arms. I think a focus on a general strength building first would be useful for many newbies. If someone already has some upper body development, let them move on to curls if they want.[/quote]
Around these parts we drag soccer players through the streets with an orange wedge shoved up their ass.
Not really. But sorta.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Is that DB Curls?
Yes. When I first hit the gym (a YMCA), I could curl that much. I understand I may not be the typical newbie as I did have a store bought cheap ass weight set from Target that I bought myself before then, but I also didn’t know many kids growing up who couldn’t do that much or damn close to it. But then, they also weren’t couch potatoes and played…GASP…outside.
I know most members of a certain 6-man high school football team that would not be able to curl a 35.
But they are all masters on the Halo 3. [/quote]
That’s sad and nothing more.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
nothing, and I mean nothing, makes my traps sore like heavy deads and rack deads with a double overhand grip.
I hardly do direct trap work and this statement basically sums me up. My traps are always burning the day after heavy deads.
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My Traps get used to the Deadlift real quick though when i add deads back in again from a break… so i like to have some direct work there too.
I have 2 or 3 trap exercises in my workout at the moment and i am seeing the benefit, especially between shoulder and traps, and when viewed from behind.
Joe
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Is that DB Curls?
Yes. When I first hit the gym (a YMCA), I could curl that much. I understand I may not be the typical newbie as I did have a store bought cheap ass weight set from Target that I bought myself before then, but I also didn’t know many kids growing up who couldn’t do that much or damn close to it. But then, they also weren’t couch potatoes and played…GASP…outside.
I know most members of a certain 6-man high school football team that would not be able to curl a 35.
But they are all masters on the Halo 3.
That’s sad and nothing more.[/quote]
And not that uncommon.
Thanks to the new $500K tractors that will wipe your ass for you, and analyze your fecal matter for deficiencies, while at the same time plowing on a pre-programmed pattern that is being directed via GPS - the idea of the corn-fed farm boy is now only a myth.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
Not every athletic pursuit requires upper body development. Soccer and cycling bulked my legs up but did nothing for my arms. I think a focus on a general strength building first would be useful for many newbies. If someone already has some upper body development, let them move on to curls if they want.
Around these parts we drag soccer players through the streets with an orange wedge shoved up their ass.
Not really. But sorta.
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Yeah, in high school the football players hated us because our squats and leg presses often outshined theirs.
By college, most of the guys I played with lifted and the goalies got huge.
So…the orange wedge is supposed to keep out the gravel?
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
X: ya I’d place those two at the top but really it’s anybody’s game. Cutler may come in and shock everybody but I doubt it. I think that he will be dethroned this year. There is too many other good competitors.
Personally, I thought Victor had it in the last Olympia. Ticked me off a little. If Dennis Wolf can get his lower back and calves down, then he’s set. It would be awesome to see Dex, Heath, and Wolf up there.
Ya man I definitely agree.
I take ibuprofen when needed but “they” say that it slows or inhibit protein synthesis and that’s something that I don’t want to do. lol So I only take it if I think I have injury. As far as just muscle soreness from training I just drink water and stretch it out/tough it out until it goes away. lol
Gerdy [/quote]
I have heard the same thing about ibuprofen, but it’s a mild side effect from what I read. I still take it on occasion. I hear acetominophen (tylenol, nyquil) is the one you should stay away from. That blocks protein synthesis even more than ibuprofen.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
So…the orange wedge is supposed to keep out the gravel?
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No - it’s more of a garnish. Kinda like the little slice of lemon that hangs on the rim of a glass of Ice Tea.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Thanks to the new $500K tractors that will wipe your ass for you, and analyze your fecal matter for deficiencies, while at the same time plowing on a pre-programmed pattern that is being directed via GPS - the idea of the corn-fed farm boy is now only a myth. [/quote]
See, theres your problem. Here in SC where our farmers are poor, we have no problem churning out strong ass high school kids. Theres a nice irradiation type effect where the farm boys kick everyone else’s ass around so much that you have two choices: get strong or get the hell out. My high school has had at least one big division 1 prospect every year for as far back as I remember.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Thanks to the new $500K tractors that will wipe your ass for you, and analyze your fecal matter for deficiencies, while at the same time plowing on a pre-programmed pattern that is being directed via GPS - the idea of the corn-fed farm boy is now only a myth.
See, theres your problem. Here in SC where our farmers are poor, we have no problem churning out strong ass high school kids. Theres a nice irradiation type effect where the farm boys kick everyone else’s ass around so much that you have two choices: get strong or get the hell out. My high school has had at least one big division 1 prospect every year for as far back as I remember.[/quote]
LOL. That was what my neighborhood was like. I guess that’s why there were no super-weak couch potatoes who had never even done a push up before. That is a brand new phenomenon as far as I am concerned.
Okay, now since the conversation is waning… has anyone had a significant injury that has kept them out of the gym for an extended amount of time?
I am curious about how it changed your goals/focus/methods?