I have shifted my focus a bit from bodybuilding, but I still wanted to say, keep up the good work guys - this thread is exactly what this site needs.
Reminds me of when I first came on this site, and people responded to questions and knew what they were talking about. My account was locked as well for angering the gods - hence the newer join date.
Keep it up.
Ok next question then, how do you guys decide to modify your foot placement? What do you guys like?
X, I’m not entirely sure what you mean about blaming your body, but I suppose that’s a possibility. I’ve never felt good with anything that locked me into 1 range of motion such as a sled or cam device. Only exception I can think of is the pullover machine, and that I rarely use.
btw, cortisol is released from EVERYBODY after they train, whoever asked that. Tall, fat, skinny, short, doesn’t matter.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
btw, cortisol is released from EVERYBODY after they train, whoever asked that. Tall, fat, skinny, short, doesn’t matter. [/quote]
LOL
Like I said, it is the new scapegoat. I am actually surprised it is being used so much lately.
That was essentially what I meant. I can’t do behind the neck presses. It causes too much pain in my elbows. Therefore, my own body dictates that this movement is not for me and I must find alternatives. That, however, was not some split second decision over one training session. I tried many variations before abandoning that movement.
Great thread.
Been a member here since the start but never really post due to my general feelings of how almost every internet forum turns out (at the risk of sounding too cool for internet forums)
This would be a reason to reaffirm my faith in posting and threads in general.
I understand censorship, but we have lost a lot of good members to what they (and many others) deemed as overuse.
Hopefully this thread continues in the spirit it was intended.
Cheers
[quote]stevo_ wrote:
Great thread.
Been a member here since the start but never really post due to my general feelings of how almost every internet forum turns out (at the risk of sounding too cool for internet forums)
This would be a reason to reaffirm my faith in posting and threads in general.
I understand censorship, but we have lost a lot of good members to what they (and many others) deemed as overuse.
Hopefully this thread continues in the spirit it was intended.
Cheers[/quote]
That main point of censorship needs to be repeated many times.
If this board is choosing to simply become an ad for supplements and training routines with no criticism, then so be it…but quit lying to people like that isn’t what is going on.
Leg presses as mentioned shouldn’t cause knee pain, most likely your feet are to low on the platform.
I forget who it is (McGill or someone) showed that the leg press puts a lot of stress on the lumbar region.
I’m not a fan of them for that reason, but will include them in my own program or clients from time to time.
Very rarely is an exercise completely bad acrossed the board.
I’d put leg extensions, hip AB/ADduction and torso rotation machine among the very few that I would never give anyone (unless under very certain circumstances)
There’s just better bang for your buck exercises when the above mentioned have so many drawbacks
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Leg presses as mentioned should cause knee pain, most likely your feet are to low on the platform.
I forget who it is (McGill or someone) showed that the leg press puts a lot of stress on the lumbar region.
I’m not a fan of them for that reason, but will include them in my own program or clients from time to time.
Very rarely is an exercise completely bad acrossed the board.
I’d put leg extensions, hip AB/ADduction and torso rotation machine among the very few that I would never give anyone (unless under very certain circumstances)
There’s just better bang for your buck exercises when the above mentioned have so many drawbacks[/quote]
Leg Extensions are great for me to really hit my medialis (after deep squats of course).
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Leg presses as mentioned should cause knee pain, most likely your feet are to low on the platform.
I forget who it is (McGill or someone) showed that the leg press puts a lot of stress on the lumbar region.
I’m not a fan of them for that reason, but will include them in my own program or clients from time to time.
Very rarely is an exercise completely bad acrossed the board.
I’d put leg extensions, hip AB/ADduction and torso rotation machine among the very few that I would never give anyone (unless under very certain circumstances)
There’s just better bang for your buck exercises when the above mentioned have so many drawbacks
Leg Extensions are great for me to really hit my medialis (after deep squats of course).[/quote]
I realize posting that on a BB site is almost blasphemy, lol but I have my reasons.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?[/quote]
2+lbs a week in weight gain and 10lbs per month in my lifts.
That doesn’t mean I always hit it, but its sure as hell something to strive for.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?[/quote]
Weight gain is dependent on nutrition, so only the individual can answer that one.
As for strength gains - you should either be increasing the reps, or increasing the weight on every exercise every time you train. How much is a personal thing, but - to borrow from Dante - your goal should be to beat the log book every workout.
I realize there are some advanced folks in here, so this is not blanket advice. it works for me, as I am a lazy sumbitch, and need a challenge to progress.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
stevo_ wrote:
Great thread.
Been a member here since the start but never really post due to my general feelings of how almost every internet forum turns out (at the risk of sounding too cool for internet forums)
This would be a reason to reaffirm my faith in posting and threads in general.
I understand censorship, but we have lost a lot of good members to what they (and many others) deemed as overuse.
Hopefully this thread continues in the spirit it was intended.
Cheers
That main point of censorship needs to be repeated many times.
If this board is choosing to simply become an ad for supplements and training routines with no criticism, then so be it…but quit lying to people like that isn’t what is going on.
[/quote]
Exactly
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
rainjack wrote:
This damn thread is rapidly closing in on 8K views in only 5 days with over 370 posts.
You don’t see shit go viral like this even in the SAMA forum.
Great thread, even better discussion, and only 1 or 2 fight hijacks.
You gotta wonder if any of the T-gods are looking at this thread.
Just wanted to thank all of you who are contributing to this thing. I’ve not seen such a grass roots movement like this since I have been a member here.
This thread is the only reason I come here anymore, to be honest.[/quote]
LOL me too! I leave for an hour and there is another page of stuff already up! lol It’s getting hard to keep up with all the topics going on. lol I love it.
And not to kiss ass but to have this many high quality vets (Rainjack, X) in here contributing with all of us regulars is awesome as well.
Thanks guys great thread!
Gerdy
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?
2+lbs a week in weight gain and 10lbs per month in my lifts.
That doesn’t mean I always hit it, but its sure as hell something to strive for.[/quote]
Wow… 2 pounds a week in “weight gain” would leave me as a lard ass in short order. Back when I started I aimed for 1 pound a week and still ended up kinda chunky, so now I take things a little slower (1 pound every 2 weeks, 2 pounds a month, 25 pounds a year).
I have already gained 30 pounds over my starting weight though and am leaner, so my newbie gains are well behind me.
And yes…This thread is blowing up in terms of views/posts. I go away for a few hours and its 5 pages bigger. Welcome to the bunker everyone.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?
Weight gain is dependent on nutrition, so only the individual can answer that one.
As for strength gains - you should either be increasing the reps, or increasing the weight on every exercise every time you train. How much is a personal thing, but - to borrow from Dante - your goal should be to beat the log book every workout.
I realize there are some advanced folks in here, so this is not blanket advice. it works for me, as I am a lazy sumbitch, and need a challenge to progress. [/quote]
This reminds me of the article by TC a while back where he said that somebody in the coffee shop was looking at him funny because he was recording his lifts.
I started doing this and it’s great for those days that your just not feeling it. Sometimes when this happens and I’d like to drop weight I just tell myself to push through it and usually leave with a pretty good training session instead of giving in and leaving feeling like a pussy.
Oh and to answer your question…rainjack pretty much said it. lol
Gerdy
In terms of weight gain, I shoot for 2 pounds a week also. I am not getting fat at all. I think it is reasonable. I have not yet reached the training age where my gains of muscle are slowing. So it definitely varies.
Also, what do you guys think about pullovers? I’ve never really incorporated them into my workouts because they seem to have fallen out of favor over the years, and I just cant justify doing those over another exercise for the chest area. Any of the B-I-G crew think they have merit and a mass builder?
I do’t think i am part of the BIG crew, i dont think i know what it is… but i do like pullovers.
I recently found a weak spot in my chest, upper, inner area, the spot pullovers get and they are the 1 exercise i have not included regularly, I have seen some improvement from adding them, and it is possible to go REAL heavy on them too!
I try not to go too deep into the stretch when using them for my chest, as it tends to fatigue my triceps first, then my lats. But a real heavy fuckin DB and top half partials, concentrating on the squeeze in the chest… i like them and can fatigue within 10-12 reps which is good. (If heavy enough)
Hope this helps a little…
Joe
EDIT: I suspect that going Decline on this movement, and staying with the top half partials would be even better… hmm, i will try it!
Joe
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
How fast do you guys think “good progress” is, in terms of weight gain and strength gains from workout to workout?
I guess it’s an individual thing, but ball park…?[/quote]
For me, workout to workout, i make sure i always increase by a couple kg or at least 1 rep per exercise so my volume is higher than last week (i calculate it).
I de-load regularly, (naturally actually, explaination below*) just to step load nicely, but it works for me, and i have a decent training age too…
1 rep is fuck all, but it is all the progress i need. I always go for as many as possible, but if i am struggling then i am “happy” with just 1 rep increase.
*Often when i increase the weight, it drops the reps thus dropping the volume below the previous week, which is fine and all part of the natural step cycle for my training.
Joe
2lbs/Week seems a little steep for me.
I have a question though,
Say you do 12 sets for chest, 4 sets of Bench, Inclines, and Flys. Would it be a better idea to drop an exercise like flys and just add two extra sets of Bench and Inclines because they are obviously better mass builders?