[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Great.
Now go away.
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Damn dude. What’s up with that? Do we have a beef I don’t know about? Just trying to help with YOUR question…
[quote]The Bambino wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
Great.
Now go away.
Damn dude. What’s up with that? Do we have a beef I don’t know about? Just trying to help with your question…[/quote]
You told me a short story of WHY you take ibuprofen and what it does. I didn’t ask for that information. I wanted to know how it pertains to BODYBUILDING (i.e. will usage affect gains). Basically you told me “my ankle hurt so I took ibuprofen to kill the pain”. So what? If you’re not a bodybuilder and dont want to stay STRICTLY in the realm of bodybuilding, then please, go away.
Sorry to be harsh, but I consider this a haven for bodybuilders. I’m not about to let it be tainted.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?[/quote]
Aspirin here. What dose do you use?
Sorry man. I train to be a bodybuilder, though I’m no where NEAR where someday I will be, I thought someone who trains hard to get bigger and follows the sport of bodybuilding on a regular basis would be encouraged to chime in. Sorry if I’m not invited in your club. As far as how ibuprofen affecting gains, I recently came across a study that showed why the original study that said that it affected gains was flawed. I’ll try and find it for you…
Victor isn’t competing. I met him at the Emerald up in Washinton. He’s not even owrkin out his les hes rehabbing.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?
Aspirin here. What dose do you use?[/quote]
Usually 400mg. So far my weight gain hasn’t stalled. Then again, I guess that amount is negligible.
The Arnold is over boys, I’m sort of feeling like you guys think it’s still going on. Dexter came on top, with Heath in second place. I thaught Heath should’ve won.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?
Aspirin here. What dose do you use?
Usually 400mg. So far my weight gain hasn’t stalled. Then again, I guess that amount is negligible.[/quote]
I use 3 81mg doses of Aspirin a day right now. Some studies show NSAIDS help increase muscle mass but they are all done on old men. My personal feeling is they probably allow people to train harder, more often, which leads to accumulating more muscle.
I’d say, use them when necessary if it helps you train better. But don’t throw back so much that you can’t gauge over training or injury risk.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
The Arnold is over boys, I’m sort of feeling like you guys think it’s still going on. Dexter came on top, with Heath in second place. I thaught Heath should’ve won.[/quote]
We know man. The Arnold was brought up because we were wondering when Victor Martinez had his surgery and if he was going to be in the O this year. Then the topic switched to who we think will take the O. lol I agree with you I thought Heath should’ve won. Dexter was still Dexter though and couldn’t be overlooked. Athough Heath was my favorite I could have seen it go either way.
Gerdy
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?
Aspirin here. What dose do you use?
Usually 400mg. So far my weight gain hasn’t stalled. Then again, I guess that amount is negligible.
I use 3 81mg doses of Aspirin a day right now. Some studies show NSAIDS help increase muscle mass but they are all done on old men. My personal feeling is they probably allow people to train harder, more often, which leads to accumulating more muscle.
I’d say, use them when necessary if it helps you train better. But don’t throw back so much that you can’t gauge over training or injury risk. [/quote]
Weren’t those studies done with NSAID’s mostly or all done with Ibuprofen?
Gerdy
Bodybuilding.com said this…
“Current data suggests that NSAIDs may indeed reduce loss of muscle strength following exercise, improve muscle motility and reduce soreness. This data however corresponds to the use of NSAIDs for acute strength loss. Long term usage of NSAIDs (more than 1-2 days) is widely believed to be counterproductive for muscle recovery, as inflammation is an integral part of the recovery process.”
“However, all current research suggests that upon the passage of two or more weeks, muscle recovery will be the same, whether the subject uses NSAIDs or not. One may safely conclude that NSAIDs can be used as a short-term measure (1-2 days) to alleviate pain and soreness, but after this the patient should rely on more traditional recovery methods (protein consumption, restful sleep and rehabilitation exercises of the muscle).”
Will do more research later. I have to bounce out to class now. I think we can answer this topic on this thread. Now I’m curious too…lol
Gerdy
This NSAIDs stuff is pretty insteresting, but in all honesty I enjoy the soreness I get from lifting and could do with out the ibuprofen and asprin.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Then the topic switched to who we think will take the O.
Gerdy[/quote]
That’s a tough one. Who should win, and who does win are usually two different people. I guess it will rely on whos judging for the day. Heath, Dexter, and Wolf are my top 3 in no particular order. I could not see Jay winning if he comes in looking anything like he did last year, Vic shoulda had it…
Wow, great thread, wish I clicked on it sooner (had to scroll through a bunch).
Victor should have won last year, and I’m a big fan (met him a couple months after the olympia and he was HYOOOOOOOOGE!). THere’s no way he can compete this year with any real chance. With his injury he’s not training legs for a year with any real intensity if at all.
Dexter’s great, but will always be a 2nd places in the olimpia due to his frame. He’s one of my favorites, but can’t stand next to Jay and not look ‘small’.
Wolf does have all the requisites, and he surprised the hell out of me last year. I think he’ll truly be a contended in another year or two simply due to rerefinements, still, he could end up in 2nd if he’s really nailing everything down.
Heath does have everything he needs, and in all honesty, if the powers that be let Jay have it this year, I’d put money on Heath in 2nd. Otherwise, if not Jay, and if no Victor, thae it’s Heath’s show.
THe NSAID’s is an interesting topic, I try NOT to take any when I’m sore because I’ve read a lot in the past year that it’s the inflamation reponse in the muscles from the training trauma that actually triggers growth. Sure when I’m totally in pain, I’ll relent and pop 1 or 2 alleves before bed, but never one of those always take an aspirin after training guys.
(anyone else like muscleteens new avatar? -lol)
S
I’m only taking Aspirin as part of a stack, and guess what, I’m still sore as shit. Course its only about 250 total mg split up throughout the day.
I like to stay away from painkillers if the only purpose is relieving soreness after a workout. The soreness often helps me gauge my recovery. Like I said, I really doubt they impact muscle growth directly, but maybe allow for a higher training capacity because you aren’t as sore. Again I said, these studies I think have been done on older (like post 50 and 60 year olds). Which, pretty much anything that allows them to train is gonna help them keep muscle ya know?
And yeh Stu I noticed that too lol.
Austin, I think we can all say we all love the sore feeling, however it becomes a love/hate relationship after leg day when I have to squat continually at work (it makes me look like an 80 year old squatting down). Also, Stu made me think of a point-I don’t take anything after lifting either. It’s usually the day after or two days after. I don’t think nsaids will affect growth at all if they’re not used on the same day as training (and right after lifting), but again, I have no data to back it up.
Phil Heath at the 08 Arnold:
Dexter at 08 Arnold:
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
Usually 400mg. So far my weight gain hasn’t stalled. Then again, I guess that amount is negligible.[/quote]
Per day? I doubt that would hurt gains.
When I feel some inflammation coming on I usually rest more and use aspirin 1000 mg 3X ED and haven’t stopped gaining yet. I don’t use it all the time though and I don’t use it for DOMS, just minor injuries.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?[/quote]
I’ll take it if needed. I don’t need it on a regular basis. More than any impact on gains [which will be hard to measure and quanitfy anyway] I think needing to take it on a regular basis is symptomatic of something else that is wrong. Even athletes shouldn’t need to LIVE on pain-killers. I’ve had to for brief periods running track in college to push through minor injuries to make it through a qualifying race or something like that. But even that was not so smart, though it was probably necessary.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
This is a branch off of the Olympia, but what does everyone think of NSAID use?
I usually take Ibuprofen to deal with my soreness at work, and so far I’ve not seen anything affecting my gains.
Who else takes ibuprofen?
I’ll take it if needed. I don’t need it on a regular basis. More than any impact on gains [which will be hard to measure and quanitfy anyway] I think needing to take it on a regular basis is symptomatic of something else that is wrong. Even athletes shouldn’t need to LIVE on pain-killers. I’ve had to for brief periods running track in college to push through minor injuries to make it through a qualifying race or something like that. But even that was not so smart, though it was probably necessary.[/quote]
I took Ibuprofen regularly through school because of how intense it was and the headaches I used to get along with minor aches from lifting. I wouldn’t recommend anyone take NSAIDs everyday (if it can be avoided and no, I was not taking them daily), but I think the actual concept that it reduces muscle gains is a little overstated. I grew just fine. In fact, it is no secret that many pro bodybuilders take painkillers like M&Ms…which is also why it is believed a select few saw such detrimental health effects with that and their other poor habits.
On the NSAIDS thing here’s a couple of reasearch. I think that the can damage gains but im not against taking them, you can grow fine with them but they probably should be used sparingly. The other thing to note is the study’s i citied used very high dosages of painkillers.
Use them when you must
Dont when you dont need to
Just my opinon
In a pretty cool study, researchers examined the effects of ibuprofen and/or acetaminophen (Advil and Tylenol respectively) on muscle protein metabolism and soreness post exercise (5). Twenty-four males trained and either received the maximal dosage of Advil (2400 mg), Tylenol (4000 mg) or a placebo. In short, the study found that either ibuprofen or acetaminophen decreased/suppressed skeletal muscle protein synthesis. Additionally, neither had any effect on muscle soreness. The take home message: avoid taking ibuprofen or acetaminophen after you exercise, it very well may negate your gains!
(5) Trappe TA, White F, et al. Influence of ibuprofen and acetaminophen on skeletal muscle protein synthesis
In May of 2006, in the journal Medicine & Science in Sports and
Exercise
For a period of 14 days, researchers overloaded the plantaris muscles (or small calf muscle) of rats by removing their gastroc and soleus muscles.
The purpose?
It would be the equivalent of losing your triceps’ lateral and medial heads - the long head would be forced to do all of the work any time you extended your arm - growing thanks to the lack of aid from your other two supportive heads.
These rats were divided into two groups - one half of the rats were
dosed with Ibuprofen while the other half were given a placebo.
The results?
The placebo rats enjoyed a 60% boost in their muscle size, while
the Ibuprofen rats only saw a 30% increase.