I’d like to add that in the case of just wanting to be full house or as strong as possible or be successful in powerlifting or strongman, then overall bodyweight is important.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I am dropping by just to welcome.the newest.member of my posse
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lol’d
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
[quote]cally wrote:
How many more ways can the same question be stated before it gets old? I mean, these threads are on purpose now right? Purposeful shitstorms?[/quote]
X2.
I have just been reading here lately and find it hilarious that this thread has been started. X, surely you knew what response you would get? This topic has been discussed over and over again yet you STILL think it needs discussing?! [/quote]
worst post
this shit never gets old
let’s all prayer to jesus this thread reaches 50 pages[/quote]
Don’t you think it can be finally summed up to this:
- If you like being full house or have some absolute strength goal, then be full house!
- If you’re more physique and weight conscious, say for appearance, bodybuilding competition, or sports performance, then keep your body composition where it needs to be.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I am dropping by just to welcome.the newest.member of my posse
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When do I get an invite? I feel like the fat kid nobody wants to pick.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Not if you don’t know that bare basics, of which much of the population doesn’t. Their idea of of training and eating big might mean girl pushups and beef flavored Doritos.[/quote]
Good for them…but I am, not talking about the person who is that clueless. I was a skinny newb and even completely devoid of gym knowledge didn’t think that was ok…but to each his own.
The issue here is NOT for someone to ignore the basics. Why is it “either or” with so many of you?
Someone can’t learn what pure junk is and work hard in the gym and gain muscular body weight at the same time?
How do you tell someone what is “bad”?
yeah, we may all agree with Doritoes…,.but what about pizza…or a hamburger with no cheese or sauce…or tons of other foods that go in and out of popularity?
You plan to teach all of this before they gain at all?[/quote]
There are actually solid sports/bodybuilding nutrition articles and books that can be read in anywhere from 30 minutes to a day or two.
After reading these, a noob who’s been paying attention will learn that a pizza made with the right ingredients can fit into a diet or that beef and whole grain bread (in the case of a hamburger) and cheese are OK items too.
Unbelievable.
No seriously.
Unbelievable.
As a fellow Troll reporting into this thread… this isn’t fun anymore
It’s really just sad.
“Making muscles is boring and they don’t do anything - they are just like pets eventually. You have to feed them, take care of them, and they are useless. Gym muscles are useless. And they look stupid; you can’t do anything with them. You can only lift a lot of weight on that machine that you built them on. They have no practical use.”
…and I’m out
*Unless this thread becomes entertaining again.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
I’ve got to go make dinner, so I’m gonna split for the night after this post, but… dude, who’s being biased now? What you just wrote is riddled with bias and your opinion. And opinion is fine as long as it isn’t presented as fact.
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Chris, let me say that you’re probably one of my favorite authors on here. You address each and every thread posing questions (usually in the beginners section where we don’t all have the patience to sit and explain the rudimentary aspects), and always exercise restraint, and politeness in even the most ridiculous situations. However, it seems that you haven’t spent a great deal of time on the BBing forum, or the new Xer, Xer, and Xer forum.
While most posters (myself included) don’t usually have mean spirited issues disagreeing with others on this site, this assumed position of sole authority is nothing new. Heck, this can’t even be considered a new thread, it’s just a continuation of X’s constant writing about how the way HE accomplished his goals are the way everyone should approach theirs (always using terms like “most”, and “many” when outlining details). Other approaches will get jumped on and ridiculed, while those who agree get the “good post” or “best post” stamps of approval.
I have a feeling the buzz word for this thread will be “bias”.
S[/quote]
All time…GOODEST BESTUST POSTUS
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
I am dropping by just to welcome.the newest.member of my posse
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When do I get an invite? I feel like the fat kid nobody wants to pick.[/quote]
If you have agreed with me once you’ve already been absorbed man…!
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
All time…GOODEST BESTUST POSTUS[/quote]
Foodist Busty Hostess
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
All time…GOODEST BESTUST POSTUS[/quote]
Foodist Busty Hostess[/quote]
Super Sayian…blessus this postus.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
All time…GOODEST BESTUST POSTUS[/quote]
Foodist Busty Hostess[/quote]
Super Sayian…blessus this postus.[/quote]
It is done. Go, and troll no more my son.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
All time…GOODEST BESTUST POSTUS[/quote]
Foodist Busty Hostess[/quote]
Super Sayian…blessus this postus.[/quote]
It is done. Go, and troll no more my son.[/quote]
/bows and goes to practice the kung foos
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
This is exactly what I did…per the advice of the infamous Prof X, due to his “Ask Prof X” thread.
I started off a skinny 155lbs.
I bulked up to a “fat” 230.
I was able to develop a shit ton of strength, that I feel I would have never gained, had I tried to gain slowly and keep the bodyfat at a minimum. I would eat an entire pizza, and that would allow me to train for 2 hours, with relatively “heavy” weights, than most of my friends who would burn out after an hour eating “healthy” food.
I was able to deadlift 5 plates, squat almost 4, bench 3, and push 100’s+ on pressing exercises, among others. (this is not to brag, but to say that I believe I achieved this strength STRICTLY because of the food)
I am now down to 200.
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This kind of post should strand out to people.
It sounds like you made great progress.[/quote]
I concur. Good job. I did a simlar thing but only went from around 150lbs as a newb to 185-190lbs (skinny to bigger but slightly tubby. I had to make a concious effort to track my weight and eat appropriatly/enough for my goals - getting bigger. I didn’t give a shot about extra bf and ate pretty much waht I wanted (which was generally clean anyway. Between maybe 12 - 16%bf I didn’t look a whole lot fatter but did look bigger and more muscular in a t-shirt which was the goal. I lived in the UK so wasn’t concerned about being 'beach ready. I’m now 35 yrs old, live in Bangkok and am lean 170-175lbs with decent if not awesome abs. (I go to the beach plenty these days)I certainly made ggod gains through a ‘bulk’ and you know what I didn’t get that fat and it was a good learning experience in terms of understanding how my body reacted to a surplus of cals from carbs and fats.If your generally an active individual and don’t just eat what would be considered crap all the time it’s pretty diffcult to just wake up one day a think ‘I’m fat’ if you monitor and adjust your food intake. Taking photos worked a dream. I’m not a bodybuilder per say as it was not the look I was looking for but I still use 'bb’ing methods within my training program (Muay Thai/boxing/bjj/weight training) because they are effective.
As a newb - FOR ME gaining weight was a positive experience, as was dieting it off.
[quote]moogweasel wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
This is exactly what I did…per the advice of the infamous Prof X, due to his “Ask Prof X” thread.
I started off a skinny 155lbs.
I bulked up to a “fat” 230.
I was able to develop a shit ton of strength, that I feel I would have never gained, had I tried to gain slowly and keep the bodyfat at a minimum. I would eat an entire pizza, and that would allow me to train for 2 hours, with relatively “heavy” weights, than most of my friends who would burn out after an hour eating “healthy” food.
I was able to deadlift 5 plates, squat almost 4, bench 3, and push 100’s+ on pressing exercises, among others. (this is not to brag, but to say that I believe I achieved this strength STRICTLY because of the food)
I am now down to 200.
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This kind of post should strand out to people.
It sounds like you made great progress.[/quote]
I concur. Good job. I did a simlar thing but only went from around 150lbs as a newb to 185-190lbs (skinny to bigger but slightly tubby. I had to make a concious effort to track my weight and eat appropriatly/enough for my goals - getting bigger. I didn’t give a shot about extra bf and ate pretty much waht I wanted (which was generally clean anyway. Between maybe 12 - 16%bf I didn’t look a whole lot fatter but did look bigger and more muscular in a t-shirt which was the goal. I lived in the UK so wasn’t concerned about being 'beach ready. I’m now 35 yrs old, live in Bangkok and am lean 170-175lbs with decent if not awesome abs. (I go to the beach plenty these days)I certainly made ggod gains through a ‘bulk’ and you know what I didn’t get that fat and it was a good learning experience in terms of understanding how my body reacted to a surplus of cals from carbs and fats.If your generally an active individual and don’t just eat what would be considered crap all the time it’s pretty diffcult to just wake up one day a think ‘I’m fat’ if you monitor and adjust your food intake. Taking photos worked a dream. I’m not a bodybuilder per say as it was not the look I was looking for but I still use 'bb’ing methods within my training program (Muay Thai/boxing/bjj/weight training) because they are effective.
As a newb - FOR ME gaining weight was a positive experience, as was dieting it off.
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Oh and I pulled a decent deadlift weight (for me): double - 200kgs last week at the end of my back work-out.
I’ve invented a new proverb based on the experience:
‘What’s worst than shitting blood?’
…‘realizing it’s not a shit but your spleen’.
;0)
I could barely pull 200kg for a single ‘fresh’ when I was at my heaviest - Get bigger and stronger then leaner and the strengh will be there. I know it’s not that impressive in strenghs terms but you get my point…I hope.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
the new Xer, Xer, and Xer forum.
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/lulz
next up “Fullhouse” forum featuring Debater X
Hmm, regarding how newbs should approach training and food intake, i initally thought the arguments were silly and based on some really minor stuff. However, after thinking about it, I thought i would throw out some real lfe observations.
For some reason, it seems in real life, most people that i’ve observed DO fall on 2 ends of the spectrum, even in this day and age where there is so much more info on the net compared to 10 years ago.
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The newer guys that i see constantly improving in size and strength are those that do not count macros or micros or whatever. They hit the weights with the standard pyramid with the main intent of getting stronger while adding in extra meals on top of what they have been eating prior to lifting. The only program discussions i’ve heard from them recently was about the OLD GVT.
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The ones that do count carbs, protein etc are those that can also name all the latest peri, pre post workout drinks and have tried all the latest programs. These guys are the ones that don’t progress much.
Perhaps the guys in the first category are those with much better genetics that would grow on anything initially, or maybe the guys in the second category just possess certain self-defeating character traits that prevent them from advancing. The thing is, i’ve only met ONE guy(again, in real life) that defied these 2 basic categories. He was able absorb all the knowledge about nutrition and training and supplementation while pounding it hard in the gym. Naturally, this guy has made the most progress over the months.
Now these are just personal observations on NEWBS, not seasoned trainers that have reached a reasonable level of development and have a good understanding of nutrition through trial and error or have a good coach.
Eventually, after all thats being said, I think this question still stands:
With all the advancement in supplementation and research in nutrition, nutrient timing, protein synthesis, etc, why don’t i see more big guys in the gym?
[quote]dt79 wrote:
With all the advancement in supplementation and research in nutrition, nutrient timing, protein synthesis, etc, why don’t i see more big guys in the gym?
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Because 99% of the population doesn’t care about getting big or at least not care about applying the best information.
The average person going to a gym is going to a gym to get some exercise (or socializing) in and that’s it. They’re not up at night logging onto forums and websites figuring out the most efficient way to get big and strong. Most people have priorities that top the gym, and some people simply have shit to do that interferes with getting as big and strong as possible.
I can walk around Manhattan for hours at a shot in the summer time, when people are wearing tanks, shorts, and T-shirts, and go the whole time without noticing even ONE noticeably jacked person. And many of these people are very bright, upper middle class, and in some cases, rich, people, so it is clear they know how to apply information for a desired result. But instead, they have chosen not to be a serious lifter or bodybuilder.
Some people have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that those outside of this hobby simply do not care. They’re concerned with other things, and sometimes, rightfully so!
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
With all the advancement in supplementation and research in nutrition, nutrient timing, protein synthesis, etc, why don’t i see more big guys in the gym?
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Because 99% of the population doesn’t care about getting big or at least not care about applying the best information.
The average person going to a gym is going to a gym to get some exercise (or socializing) in and that’s it. They’re not up at night logging onto forums and websites figuring out the most efficient way to get big and strong. Most people have priorities that top the gym, and some people simply have shit to do that interferes with getting as big and strong as possible.
I can walk around Manhattan for hours at a shot in the summer time, when people are wearing tanks, shorts, and T-shirts, and go the whole time without noticing even ONE noticeably jacked person. And many of these people are very bright, upper middle class, and in some cases, rich, people, so it is clear they know how to apply information for a desired result. But instead, they have chosen not to be a serious lifter or bodybuilder.
Some people have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that those outside of this hobby simply do not care. They’re concerned with other things, and sometimes, rightfully so!
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. How is that goal any less relevant than the guys trying to impress the girl or win a plastic trophy?
Uh, yeah…my goal was to be big enough for people to notice. Not sure why that means “immaturity”…but hey, I would rather be more child like in how I view the world if it means I reach my goals.[/quote]
- Most men need a woman for some of the most base human needs. Hence they try to impress women.
- Winning a trophy is a sign that one came out on top in a physical endeavor, a sign of reward, something that might lead to other opportunities perhaps, which those who have a grasp on human behavior and psychology look at as reasonable.
Lol @ thinking competitors compete for the “plastic trophy”
This negative attitude you seem to have towards bodybuilders lately is quite fascinating