Steely, how is it living with BPS? How does it affect your day to day activities?
Wow…a rational, non angry discussion… with mutual respect and shit.
Imagine that…I wonder why?
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread so dedicated to shit that meant absolutely nothing with respect to training.
Why anyone would care, in a practical sense, whether someone can theoretically add 80 lbs of muscle to a body is about as senseless as anything I’ve read.
I managed to just about not think about that theoretical limitation the whole time I wreaked absolute havoc on my back today. In fact, in the fleeting moment that it did enter into my conscious, I immedately visualized two slabs of 50 lb lats hanging off of my spine. That was some monster shit right there.
Then, I rowed.
Theoretically add 80 lbs of muscle? Motherfucker, I’m gonna row this motherfucking heavy ass motherfucking weight 20 motherfucking times. And then do it again with more motherfucking weight. Then I’m gonna do it again. 50.mother.fucking.pound.slabs.of.beef.lats.hanging.off.my.spine.
I got your 80 lbs of muscle… Right here…
Can’t add 80lbs of muscle? WTF? IT’S STILL MY MOTHER.FUCKING.SET
Thank you CT Fletcher
You know who doesn’t give a fuck about whether a theoretical person can add a theoretical 80lbs of muscle? CT Motherfucking Fletcher and everyone else who hasn’t posted in this thread.
Quick, somebody start a thread about a theoretical homogeneous cube that models a 175 lbs person of indeterminate height and argue about how introducing a theoritical heterogeneous material will affect his theoretical insulin level so I can ignore that mother.fucking.thread, too.
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I actually felt like lifting while reading this.
Alright, SteelyD, you have a good point–as usual. I only wish I could be as carefree and laid back. However, looking back on it, I was just trying to have a conversation on topics I like. But yeah, got carried away. Sorry about that.
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ya, i agree brick. great post. i read that and felt like lifting too.
as a matter of fact, after i read it, i went to my garage and hit an all time pr in the meadows row of 8 25lb plates x6, and a post neck surgery pr of 250kg x 1 on the dead-squat bar. i honestly think i am going to hit 600 on that bar before summer gets here. i do not know if that says more about my recovery or more about the leverages that particular bar gives me, but ill take it. [/quote]
what is your lifetime best straight bar DL and front squat?
how much weight can you fit on the dead squat bar?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Wow…a rational, non angry discussion… with mutual respect and shit.
Imagine that…I wonder why?[/quote]
I’m guessing… #yolo?
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread so dedicated to shit that meant absolutely nothing with respect to training.
Why anyone would care, in a practical sense, whether someone can theoretically add 80 lbs of muscle to a body is about as senseless as anything I’ve read.
I managed to just about not think about that theoretical limitation the whole time I wreaked absolute havoc on my back today. In fact, in the fleeting moment that it did enter into my conscious, I immedately visualized two slabs of 50 lb lats hanging off of my spine. That was some monster shit right there.
Then, I rowed.
Theoretically add 80 lbs of muscle? Motherfucker, I’m gonna row this motherfucking heavy ass motherfucking weight 20 motherfucking times. And then do it again with more motherfucking weight. Then I’m gonna do it again. 50.mother.fucking.pound.slabs.of.beef.lats.hanging.off.my.spine.
I got your 80 lbs of muscle… Right here…
Can’t add 80lbs of muscle? WTF? IT’S STILL MY MOTHER.FUCKING.SET
Thank you CT Fletcher
You know who doesn’t give a fuck about whether a theoretical person can add a theoretical 80lbs of muscle? CT Motherfucking Fletcher and everyone else who hasn’t posted in this thread.
Quick, somebody start a thread about a theoretical homogeneous cube that models a 175 lbs person of indeterminate height and argue about how introducing a theoritical heterogeneous material will affect his theoretical insulin level so I can ignore that mother.fucking.thread, too.
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I actually felt like lifting while reading this.
Alright, SteelyD, you have a good point–as usual. I only wish I could be as carefree and laid back. However, looking back on it, I was just trying to have a conversation on topics I like. But yeah, got carried away. Sorry about that.
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ya, i agree brick. great post. i read that and felt like lifting too.
as a matter of fact, after i read it, i went to my garage and hit an all time pr in the meadows row of 8 25lb plates x6, and a post neck surgery pr of 250kg x 1 on the dead-squat bar. i honestly think i am going to hit 600 on that bar before summer gets here. i do not know if that says more about my recovery or more about the leverages that particular bar gives me, but ill take it. [/quote]
what is your lifetime best straight bar DL and front squat?
how much weight can you fit on the dead squat bar?[/quote]
best ever conventional deadlift 640 sumo 685.
best front squat 485.
with my bumper plates i can put just over 600. (285kg)
ct says with regular metal plates you can put just over 1000 on it.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
best front squat 485.
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Challenge accepted.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ct says with regular metal plates you can put just over 1000 on it.
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that’s good, I can use it for curls
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
best front squat 485.
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Challenge accepted.[/quote]
haha, go for it man…if you beat my all time best do i have to leave the site?
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
best front squat 485.
[/quote]
Challenge accepted.[/quote]
haha, go for it man…if you beat my all time best do i have to leave the site?[/quote]
No, it means you’ll NEVER be allowed to leave, you skinny bitch.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Steely, you’re right tone is hard to judge from written text, but I really didn’t get the judgmental tone from Anonym’s post that you did.[/quote]
Oh, I didn’t mean the post per se, but just the constant reference to “the permabulkers” (you know, like “the jews”, “the fatties”, “the gays”, …). It sets the tone for the entire discussion, especially those who are in the ‘lean camp’. Then anyone who is not 10% (whatever that means) is suddenly somehow inferior. I’m exaggerating a little, but you get the point.
Oh, the horror of ‘permabulking’:
We should all be so fat and weak. If only he dropped 30 lbs …[/quote]
For the record, Brandon Lilly made a FB post a while back about not wanting to be the fat whale at PL meets anymore. Since, he’s really worked on cleaning up his diet and trying to lean out. I tried finding it, but couldn’t. Maybe if someone else knows what I’m talking about, they can post it if they know where it is.
Also, serious question: Do you think if someone like waylander, zraw, dohcrazy, or some of those other [lean] HUGE motherfuckers had been sitting in your airplane seat, the flight attendant wouldn’t have made a similar bench press comment?
The above is to be read in a happy tone 
haha
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Steely, you’re right tone is hard to judge from written text, but I really didn’t get the judgmental tone from Anonym’s post that you did.[/quote]
Oh, I didn’t mean the post per se, but just the constant reference to “the permabulkers” (you know, like “the jews”, “the fatties”, “the gays”, …). It sets the tone for the entire discussion, especially those who are in the ‘lean camp’. Then anyone who is not 10% (whatever that means) is suddenly somehow inferior. I’m exaggerating a little, but you get the point.
Oh, the horror of ‘permabulking’:
We should all be so fat and weak. If only he dropped 30 lbs …[/quote]
For the record, Brandon Lilly made a FB post a while back about not wanting to be the fat whale at PL meets anymore. Since, he’s really worked on cleaning up his diet and trying to lean out. I tried finding it, but couldn’t. Maybe if someone else knows what I’m talking about, they can post it if they know where it is.
Also, serious question: Do you think if someone like waylander, zraw, dohcrazy, or some of those other [lean] HUGE motherfuckers had been sitting in your airplane seat, the flight attendant wouldn’t have made a similar bench press comment?
The above is to be read in a happy tone 
haha[/quote]
Nobody wants to be a ‘fat whale’. And nobody is endorsing being a ‘fat whale’. Is Lilly a ‘fat whale’?
Did he accomplish the PL goal?
Is he forced to look like he does in that video the rest of his life, or was that body he brought to the meet just a by-product of his training for a particular goal at a particular point in time that day?
Did the judges working the white lights consider his ab definition?
re: airplane. Don’t know. Don’t care. Irrelevant, really. I was just sharing a story.
That post seems snippy. It’s not, but I can’t smiley face every sentence 
This is just you and me talking over a beer, dude.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Steely, you’re right tone is hard to judge from written text, but I really didn’t get the judgmental tone from Anonym’s post that you did.[/quote]
Oh, I didn’t mean the post per se, but just the constant reference to “the permabulkers” (you know, like “the jews”, “the fatties”, “the gays”, …). It sets the tone for the entire discussion, especially those who are in the ‘lean camp’. Then anyone who is not 10% (whatever that means) is suddenly somehow inferior. I’m exaggerating a little, but you get the point.
Oh, the horror of ‘permabulking’:
We should all be so fat and weak. If only he dropped 30 lbs …[/quote]
For the record, Brandon Lilly made a FB post a while back about not wanting to be the fat whale at PL meets anymore. Since, he’s really worked on cleaning up his diet and trying to lean out. I tried finding it, but couldn’t. Maybe if someone else knows what I’m talking about, they can post it if they know where it is.
Also, serious question: Do you think if someone like waylander, zraw, dohcrazy, or some of those other [lean] HUGE motherfuckers had been sitting in your airplane seat, the flight attendant wouldn’t have made a similar bench press comment?
The above is to be read in a happy tone haha[/quote]
Nobody wants to be a ‘fat whale’. And nobody is endorsing being a ‘fat whale’. Is Lilly a ‘fat whale’?
Did he accomplish the PL goal?
Is he forced to look like he does in that video the rest of his life, or was that body he brought to the meet just a by-product of his training for a particular goal at a particular point in time that day?
Did the judges working the white lights consider his ab definition?
re: airplane. Don’t know. Don’t care. Irrelevant, really. I was just sharing a story.
That post seems snippy. It’s not, but I can’t smiley face every sentence This is just you and me talking over a beer, dude.
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Steely, I know you have said many times in the past that you like the path you’ve chosen, especially for strength gains and you’ve been pleased so far with the results.
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
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I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
I can’t stress enough, no one is advocating the goal of maintaining fat. If it’s a means to an end, then it is what it is. Then again, if your goal is to maintain a smooth full house look, then fine, do it, right? Who’s to judge your goals.
Cons? It’s hard to find XXL clothes, especially work khakis/shirts that don’t make you look frumpy. But, believe it or not, that works for me. I’m a software developer and I spend a lot of time face-to-face with customers. I wear big thick nerd glasses (which I like), but it plays down the ‘meathead’ look as nobody wants a ‘dumb meathead a la Planet Fitness commercial’ modeling their electric distribution networks and all that shit.
I keep my health in check, so no immediate con there. My conditioning could be better for sure, but that’s more mental than size.
I would like to keep my shoulder girth and shrink my waistline. I’m working toward that and infact have moved one belt loop tighter recently.
Food is a con, too, although I do like to eat.
I like the idea of taking up a lot of lateral space. Although not ideal for sure, I don’t mind the extra weight right now. I’m gonna be ripped 50 year old (a la BlueCollarTr8n and CT Fletcher).
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[/quote]
I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
I can’t stress enough, no one is advocating the goal of maintaining fat. If it’s a means to an end, then it is what it is. Then again, if your goal is to maintain a smooth full house look, then fine, do it, right? Who’s to judge your goals.
Cons? It’s hard to find XXL clothes, especially work khakis/shirts that don’t make you look frumpy. But, believe it or not, that works for me. I’m a software developer and I spend a lot of time face-to-face with customers. I wear big thick nerd glasses (which I like), but it plays down the ‘meathead’ look as nobody wants a ‘dumb meathead a la Planet Fitness commercial’ modeling their electric distribution networks and all that shit.
I keep my health in check, so no immediate con there. My conditioning could be better for sure, but that’s more mental than size.
I would like to keep my shoulder girth and shrink my waistline. I’m working toward that and infact have moved one belt loop tighter recently.
Food is a con, too, although I do like to eat.
I like the idea of taking up a lot of lateral space. Although not ideal for sure, I don’t mind the extra weight right now. I’m gonna be ripped 50 year old (a la BlueCollarTr8n and CT Fletcher).[/quote]
Come to the dark side. Let the lean flow through you…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Come to the dark side. Let the lean flow through you…[/quote]
HaHa, that’s good.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[/quote]
I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
I can’t stress enough, no one is advocating the goal of maintaining fat. If it’s a means to an end, then it is what it is. Then again, if your goal is to maintain a smooth full house look, then fine, do it, right? Who’s to judge your goals.
Cons? It’s hard to find XXL clothes, especially work khakis/shirts that don’t make you look frumpy. But, believe it or not, that works for me. I’m a software developer and I spend a lot of time face-to-face with customers. I wear big thick nerd glasses (which I like), but it plays down the ‘meathead’ look as nobody wants a ‘dumb meathead a la Planet Fitness commercial’ modeling their electric distribution networks and all that shit.
I keep my health in check, so no immediate con there. My conditioning could be better for sure, but that’s more mental than size.
I would like to keep my shoulder girth and shrink my waistline. I’m working toward that and infact have moved one belt loop tighter recently.
Food is a con, too, although I do like to eat.
I like the idea of taking up a lot of lateral space. Although not ideal for sure, I don’t mind the extra weight right now. I’m gonna be ripped 50 year old (a la BlueCollarTr8n and CT Fletcher).[/quote]
Cool, thanks.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
best front squat 485.
[/quote]
Challenge accepted.[/quote]
haha, go for it man…if you beat my all time best do i have to leave the site?[/quote]
No, it means you’ll NEVER be allowed to leave, you skinny bitch.
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thats MISTER skinny bitch to you.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[/quote]
I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
I can’t stress enough, no one is advocating the goal of maintaining fat. If it’s a means to an end, then it is what it is. Then again, if your goal is to maintain a smooth full house look, then fine, do it, right? Who’s to judge your goals.
Cons? It’s hard to find XXL clothes, especially work khakis/shirts that don’t make you look frumpy. But, believe it or not, that works for me. I’m a software developer and I spend a lot of time face-to-face with customers. I wear big thick nerd glasses (which I like), but it plays down the ‘meathead’ look as nobody wants a ‘dumb meathead a la Planet Fitness commercial’ modeling their electric distribution networks and all that shit.
I keep my health in check, so no immediate con there. My conditioning could be better for sure, but that’s more mental than size.
I would like to keep my shoulder girth and shrink my waistline. I’m working toward that and infact have moved one belt loop tighter recently.
Food is a con, too, although I do like to eat.
I like the idea of taking up a lot of lateral space. Although not ideal for sure, I don’t mind the extra weight right now. I’m gonna be ripped 50 year old (a la BlueCollarTr8n and CT Fletcher).[/quote]
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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[/quote]
I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
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Maybe you could expand on this a bit for us. Is there a specific reason you think you CAN’T keep your ideal lean physique and make strength and size gains? Is it something you tried in the past and didn’t pan out?
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
We’ve heard from several in the “I like being leaner” camp about the pros and cons with their experience carrying extra weight vs being leaner. You’ve shared your pros about carrying extra weight, do you have any cons? Anything negative you experience day to day?
[/quote]
I’m the first to admit, if I thought I could keep my ‘ideal lean physique’ and still make strength AND size gains, I would certainly do that. I honestly don’t give a shit about that if my numbers are moving the way I want them. That’s not to say I don’t try to keep it in check to the best that I can.
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Maybe you could expand on this a bit for us. Is there a specific reason you think you CAN’T keep your ideal lean physique and make strength and size gains? Is it something you tried in the past and didn’t pan out?
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Sure.
I’m old.
I don’t have the hormonal profile of a 20-something. Eating enough calories that I know I’m progressing is ‘safe’, even if it means I carry some extra weight.
Whenever I start to lose weight, my arms are the first thing to flatten and my bench goes down. I’m willing to admit that the arm thing is more mental than not, but what is real is the lack of pump and set endurance that I feel. 1-3 RM drops as well.
I see this often when I travel for work a week or two at a time. In fact, that business travel has been my method of ‘brakes’. I’m forced to 3 meals per day and some snacks/shakes on most business trips. Usually omelette breakfasts, chicken ceasar salads, and steak dinners. I typically drop weight. The meals are cleaner by necessity, but the total cals are never there.
It’s not that I think I can’t, it’s at this point, I’m not willing to sacrifice my lifts by going on an all out cut. I have managed to recomp a bit however slowly. My weight hasn’t changed too much over the course of a year, but my arms are noticeably bigger (by tighter sleeves), more vascularity, and increased lifts. Clothes a little looser, etc.
I think it has more to do with adding more work in the form of cardio and sled than anything.
For myself, I FIRMLY believe that I do better physically – that’s physique and strength – by doing more than eating less. Of course there is a point of diminishing returns there as you can only do so much and recover so fast, right? I haven’t hit that yet.
One of the biggest changes was dropping whey shakes. I use them sparingly now opting to get protein from whole foods versus the quick shake. That has made a huge impact.
I would never claim that my way is the best way for anyone, but it’s working for me within the error brackets I’ve set for myself. I set specific goals to hit over small intervals and as long as I’m hitting those I see no need to change the formula. That’s not to say I couldn’t do the same by leaning out or using some other approach, but it’s working for me.
You have kids? There’s a rule-- when the baby is asleep, don’t do anything different that wakes the baby. If you’re banging on pots and pans, and the baby is sleeping, keep banging the damn pans because if you stop, the silence may wake the baby.
I’m cool with continuing to bang the pans right now.