The Body Weight Factor

Training
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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

Heavythrower, you’re a highly experienced and accomplished and intelligent, and above all, REASONABLE, guy. You’re trained with some heavy hitters. What sort of weights did your peers use on arm exercises? [/quote]

i never saw much one arm or single leg training, honestly. i saw a few of the studs over at westside barbell like chuck v. do one leg split squats with 150lb dumbbells each hand,

i saw peter gudmanson just on a goof do a one arm clean with 225, but i never saw and single arm db curls per say. just was not considered important i guess. sorry.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

Heavythrower, you’re a highly experienced and accomplished and intelligent, and above all, REASONABLE, guy. You’re trained with some heavy hitters. What sort of weights did your peers use on arm exercises? [/quote]

edit:

most one arm exercises were done simultaneously like db overhead press or db curls, you know pressing and curling both dumbbells at the same time.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

i was not talking about a fight, just a friendly wrestling match. the type me and my buds would get into all the time for fun just for a goof.[/quote]

I have trained in martial arts and boxing since I was a kid. I quit the karate early but tried Aikido for a while. Your statement isn’t doing much but instigating…as if your ability to fight is based at all on how you lift.

Two strong guys going at it, the most skilled one will likely win…not simply the strongest.

[quote]

and i have never said i was strong, EVER[/quote]

OK. Good for you. I have said I am strong. I am not sure why that would bother anyone.

[quote]

i have a long and consistent posting history here, and i have never once claimed to be anything more than AVERAGE if even that, in the world of high level competitive strength sports i was part of for many years.

again, i was just giving a fictional anecdote to make my point that hammer machines are a good bodybuilding tool and perhaps for injury rehab, but not much for anything else, and of course you super inflated ego could not handle it, so you continue to argue a moot point.

I love you. dont ever stop posting. serious, this shit is great. [/quote]

How is this about my ego at all? I am not saying I am stronger than you. I seriously doubt I am.

If you can read so much about my ego from that, then the same can be said about you challenging me to a “friendly lock up”.

Your perspective only allows you to look for every fault you can find on my part while ignoring your own.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That “sheet” is the sarcoplasmic sheath covering muscle tissue…which is NOT limited to ONLY deep tissue stretching. It covers the entire muscle belly. [/quote]
Does anyone agree with your personal theory, that fat gain will lead to fascial stretching that will help gain more muscles?

in b4 Prof X thinks he’s the Galileo of hypertrophy[/quote]

Wait, what happened to you acting like you ONLY gain fat superficially?

Have you backed down from that statement?

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I never said that, it makes no sense, like your theory

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
What does "lock up " mean forgive my ignorance[/quote]

He was basically saying if we fought he would win…which as you can see NO ONE has a problem with.

But I am sure if I challenged someone to a fight like that this thread would have added an extra 30 pages by now.[/quote]

no i did not. read my post above.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I never said that, it makes no sense

bitch[/quote]

you wrote

This means that adding more volume to interstitial tissue space can NOT stretch it at all?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
What does "lock up " mean forgive my ignorance[/quote]

He was basically saying if we fought he would win…which as you can see NO ONE has a problem with.

But I am sure if I challenged someone to a fight like that this thread would have added an extra 30 pages by now.[/quote]

no i did not. read my post above. [/quote]

Oh, I did. You clarified that you only meant a jovial friendly fight between friends.

Uh huh.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
stretching interstitial space? maybe that’s why you’re so full of hot air. Deep fascia is the limiting factor, your muscles move and grow and are not restricted by other connective tissue. As a theory it doesn’t even make sense, hence you won’t find anyone but yourself talking about it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
-Biceps
Warm up either going really light on the HS curl machine or real light with dumbbells (like 25lbs)
HS curl machine (3-4 sets going up to 4 plates)
Preacher curls (starting with a 45lbs dumbbell and moving up to around 85lbs lately even though I have done more in the past…I am trying to concentrate more on form lately)
Cybex curl machine (last exercise, usually just to get more blood pumped and not for going extremely heavy)
[/quote]
liar[/quote]

Un FUCKING real how this was just swept under the carpet.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
stretching interstitial space? maybe that’s why you’re so full of hot air. Deep fascia is the limiting factor, your muscles move and grow and are not restricted by other connective tissue. As a theory it doesn’t even make sense, hence you won’t find anyone but yourself talking about it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
-Biceps
Warm up either going really light on the HS curl machine or real light with dumbbells (like 25lbs)
HS curl machine (3-4 sets going up to 4 plates)
Preacher curls (starting with a 45lbs dumbbell and moving up to around 85lbs lately even though I have done more in the past…I am trying to concentrate more on form lately)
Cybex curl machine (last exercise, usually just to get more blood pumped and not for going extremely heavy)
[/quote]
liar[/quote]

Un FUCKING real how this was just swept under the carpet.[/quote]

It wasn’t. It was responded to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I never said that, it makes no sense

bitch[/quote]

you wrote

This means that adding more volume to interstitial tissue space can NOT stretch it at all?[/quote]
ok, one last time, imma go on the record saying:
increasing interstitial space will not stretch the fascial sheets that directly cover muscle tissue

phaggot

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

i was not talking about a fight, just a friendly wrestling match. the type me and my buds would get into all the time for fun just for a goof.[/quote]

I have trained in martial arts and boxing since I was a kid. I quit the karate early but tried Aikido for a while. Your statement isn’t doing much but instigating…as if your ability to fight is based at all on how you lift.

Two strong guys going at it, the most skilled one will likely win…not simply the strongest.

[quote]

and i have never said i was strong, EVER[/quote]

OK. Good for you. I have said I am strong. I am not sure why that would bother anyone.

[quote]

i have a long and consistent posting history here, and i have never once claimed to be anything more than AVERAGE if even that, in the world of high level competitive strength sports i was part of for many years.

again, i was just giving a fictional anecdote to make my point that hammer machines are a good bodybuilding tool and perhaps for injury rehab, but not much for anything else, and of course you super inflated ego could not handle it, so you continue to argue a moot point.

I love you. dont ever stop posting. serious, this shit is great. [/quote]

How is this about my ego at all? I am not saying I am stronger than you. I seriously doubt I am.

If you can read so much about my ego from that, then the same can be said about you challenging me to a “friendly lock up”.

Your perspective only allows you to look for every fault you can find on my part while ignoring your own.[/quote]

though i would "lock up " with you for a goof, i was not seriously challenging you to a physical confrontation, i am not 18, i have teenage kid, that i pay college tuition for, and a mortgage.

im a grown up, in other words.

hell at my wedding, a group of my buds all tried to wrestle me and dump me into the swimming pool, they eventually succeeded , but it was pretty tough for them, again, you took it so seriously, i am talking about just some simple guy-fun.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I never said that, it makes no sense

bitch[/quote]

you wrote

This means that adding more volume to interstitial tissue space can NOT stretch it at all?[/quote]
ok, one last time, imma go on the record saying:
increasing interstitial space will not stretch the fascial sheets that directly cover muscle tissue

phaggot[/quote]

That doesn’t make sense. How can you add volume but not “increase the size of something”?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

though i would "lock up " with you for a goof,[/quote]

My lord, it is so funny now that you added this.

Thanks for all the laughs.

OK. I get it. I am slapping knees and coughing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
What does "lock up " mean forgive my ignorance[/quote]

He was basically saying if we fought he would win…which as you can see NO ONE has a problem with.

But I am sure if I challenged someone to a fight like that this thread would have added an extra 30 pages by now.[/quote]

no i did not. read my post above. [/quote]

Oh, I did. You clarified that you only meant a jovial friendly fight between friends.

Uh huh.
[/quote]

haha, nobody else took it as a serious challenge to a fight…lol

but you, really though, you know i was not serious as well. good job.

again, you are great, most consistent troll ever. i really think it is hilarious that you have so many people upset, when you are obviously playing with them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
[/quote]

I said alternate dumbbell curls so maybe you simply have trouble reading?

I was curling 90’s years ago, How do you think you get arms this size?

[quote]
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching

I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]

I am sorry, but fat gain is also involved with interstitial gain in between muscle cells…so your statement is incorrect. Also, the theory is that fascial stretching in itself can aid in more muscle gain. This is a theory. Science doesn’t even have a way of proving that WRONG yet.[/quote]

NAW, you didn’t say you were doing alternate curls.

Browndisaster quoted you saying you were doing 85lb dumbbell preacher curls.

You gotta be trolling us man, it is April Fools ya know

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

NAW, you didn’t say you were doing alternate curls.

Browndisaster quoted you saying you were doing 85lb dumbbell preacher curls.

You gotta be trolling us man, it is April Fools ya know[/quote]

I have done that much before. I can’t do it now.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

haha, nobody else took it as a serious challenge to a fight…lol

but you, really though, you know i was not serious as well. good job.[/quote]

I didn’t think it was ever a serious challenge. I simply said if I had written the same everyone would have faulted it for being “arrogant” lacking in humility and everything else they could think of…while yours got ignored.

Simply put, it made little sense at all considering how much skill plays into fighting.

I am not trolling…and what have I written that is upsetting people?

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I never said that, it makes no sense

bitch[/quote]

you wrote

This means that adding more volume to interstitial tissue space can NOT stretch it at all?[/quote]
ok, one last time, imma go on the record saying:
increasing interstitial space will not stretch the fascial sheets that directly cover muscle tissue

phaggot[/quote]

But increased insulin resistance with fat gain is bro-science. lol

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

But increased insulin resistance with fat gain is bro-science. lol[/quote]

It would be because obesity is the factor, not “fat gain”…or else the statement that “fat gain is directly related to insulin resistance” would be correct…and it is not.

Your “insulin resistance” is NOT directly related to fat gain. If you gain 5lbs of fat you do not automatically have more “insulin resistance”. There are way more factors involved.