The Body Weight Factor

Training
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[quote]steven alex wrote:
If someone reaches a weight of 280 and is consistent in their training and a natural but has no intention of dieting down is it beyond doubt that they couldnt have amassed eighty pounds? The argument is about eighty pounds of gained muscle AFTER dieting isnt it?[/quote]

This is the issue.

they are using CONTEST CONDITIONED NATURAL BODYBUILDERS to come up with a limit for all people who train naturally.

This isn’t science…thus the need for shouting me down with 5-10 people at one time.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Of course that’s what I’m claiming, because these are the guys who sported 28 to 30 inch “not fat” thighs. Therefore I asked if you looked like those guys when you sported 30 inch lean thighs. [/quote]

I have posted pics of my legs at 30" so what are you really asking? No, I did not have a body fat of contest condition at that size.

“some”

Who besides you?

Oh yea, for reference.

Classic Prof X “debating” tactics… He will:

  1. Go off on a rant while saying “some of you/many here/etc…” in order to avoid directly addressing anyone specific.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
If someone reaches a weight of 280 and is consistent in their training and a natural but has no intention of dieting down is it beyond doubt that they couldnt have amassed eighty pounds? The argument is about eighty pounds of gained muscle AFTER dieting isnt it?[/quote]

Dieting or no dieting. No natural has gained that. [/quote]

??/ Wait a second, how is this even allowed to be written without being laughed at?

No natural person on planet Earth has ever gained 80lbs of muscle?

Are you serious?[/quote]

What’s to laugh at? It’s true - so either post a picture, training history and stats on the natural who gained 80 pounds of muscle (without counting normal, pubertal growth) or be quiet about it.

Don’t point to some mythical, statistical outlier in your usual strawman attempts - post a case study of an actual individual who has achieved this, or you’re wrong. Simple as that.

You couldn’t do it here.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/bodybuilding_genetics_and_reality

And you still can’t.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

“some”

Who besides you?

[/quote]

Recently, Steely D, marshaldteach, and even Alex questioning his stance.

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fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
If someone reaches a weight of 280 and is consistent in their training and a natural but has no intention of dieting down is it beyond doubt that they couldnt have amassed eighty pounds? The argument is about eighty pounds of gained muscle AFTER dieting isnt it?[/quote]

Dieting or no dieting. No natural has gained that. [/quote]

??/ Wait a second, how is this even allowed to be written without being laughed at?

No natural person on planet Earth has ever gained 80lbs of muscle?

Are you serious?[/quote]

Right.

In regards to your lifts like 90 pound dumbbell curls (I assume OK form, with some “body English” of course, which is sort of alright with curls):

The way you speak of your arm strength, you’re literally talking about the arm strength of some of the strongest men on earth, those made of Krupp steel: Bill Kazmier, Kirk Karwoski, Ed Coan, etc.

So I’m torn between disbelief and admiration of you.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

Dude, my goal is NOT to win some strength sport…so this argument you are even trying to make means nothing to me.

If I wanted to “lock up” with someone, I would train for it like I have in the past. I would not rely on my weight training for that alone…but thank you for expressing to everyone how strong you are.

I am sure no one will see that as lacking humility at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
“some”

Who besides you?

[/quote]

Recently, Steely D, marshaldteach, and even Alex questioning his stance.

[/quote]

Wrong…the only one with any credibility in that group is SteelyD, and he went out of his way to say that he only agreed that going full house was the right move for him…he never touched the other subject.

And CT said that he does not think that anything is impossible, but he said that the 80lb. muscle gain for a natural is “highly improbbable”

Seriously stop fibbing.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

Heavythrower, you’re a highly experienced and accomplished and intelligent, and above all, REASONABLE, guy. You’re trained with some heavy hitters. What sort of weights did your peers use on arm exercises?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Right.

In regards to your lifts like 90 pound dumbbell curls (I assume OK form, with some “body English” of course, which is sort of alright with curls):

The way you speak of your arm strength, you’re literally talking about the arm strength of some of the strongest men on earth, those made of Krupp steel: Bill Kazmier, Kirk Karwoski, Ed Coan, etc.

So I’m torn between disbelief and admiration of you.
[/quote]

Good for you.

I am not sure what to tell you other than I really don’t care much if you believe me or not. I can’t go back in time to prove it to you so continue thinking you get arms like mine without being strong well above average.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

“some”

Who besides you?

[/quote]

Recently, Steely D, marshaldteach, and even Alex questioning his stance.

[/quote]

Wrong…the only one with any credibility in that group is SteelyD, and he went out of his way to say that he only agreed that going full house was the right move for him…he never touched the other subject.

And CT said that he does not think that anything is impossible, but he said that the 80lb. muscle gain for a natural is “highly improbbable”

Seriously stop fibbing.[/quote]

You now tell everyone who has credibility?

You asked. I answered. Now you have a problem with the answer. It seems you will have a problem no matter what gets written.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]
Impressive heavythrower do you still attend Highland Games events as a spectator if not a competitor?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Right.

In regards to your lifts like 90 pound dumbbell curls (I assume OK form, with some “body English” of course, which is sort of alright with curls):

The way you speak of your arm strength, you’re literally talking about the arm strength of some of the strongest men on earth, those made of Krupp steel: Bill Kazmier, Kirk Karwoski, Ed Coan, etc.

So I’m torn between disbelief and admiration of you.
[/quote]

Good for you.

I am not sure what to tell you other than I really don’t care much if you believe me or not. I can’t go back in time to prove it to you so continue thinking you get arms like mine without being strong well above average.
[/quote]

Well I know some guys here on this board with arms bigger than yours and they can’t lift that much.

Alright, I guess I gotta deal with this mental conflict myself. :frowning:

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
If someone reaches a weight of 280 and is consistent in their training and a natural but has no intention of dieting down is it beyond doubt that they couldnt have amassed eighty pounds? The argument is about eighty pounds of gained muscle AFTER dieting isnt it?[/quote]

Dieting or no dieting. No natural has gained that. [/quote]

??/ Wait a second, how is this even allowed to be written without being laughed at?

No natural person on planet Earth has ever gained 80lbs of muscle?

Are you serious?[/quote]

What’s to laugh at? It’s true [/quote]

What is true? That no human on planet Earth has ever gained 80lbs of muscle?

That makes no sense to even make that statement. What are you basing this on?

Please go into detail how you arrived at this conclusion for all people.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

“some”

Who besides you?

[/quote]

Recently, Steely D, marshaldteach, and even Alex questioning his stance.

[/quote]

Wrong…the only one with any credibility in that group is SteelyD, and he went out of his way to say that he only agreed that going full house was the right move for him…he never touched the other subject.

And CT said that he does not think that anything is impossible, but he said that the 80lb. muscle gain for a natural is “highly improbbable”

Seriously stop fibbing.[/quote]

You now tell everyone who has credibility?

It seems you will have a problem no matter what gets written.
[/quote]

I was referencing guys who have logs and pics, nothing more…calm down. I notice how you skipped over the CT point, well played.

And I have no problems…I am simply enjoying watching you try to defend some really stupid stuff.

Carry on.

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What does "lock up " mean forgive my ignorance

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

The world is a free weight.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
fake strength? maybe not, but i tell you,

me at y biggest ans strongest, 260-270lbs, 60 foot shot put, 100foot 22lb hammer, nearly 700 squat and deadlift, 400lb clean and jerk,

and take you at your 260lbs or so with you hammer strength glory,

if were to lock up i am pretty sure you would get tossed around quite a bit.

“fake strength” no, definitely not, but a very different type of strength that translates much more to real world or sport, yes. [/quote]

Dude, my goal is NOT to win some strength sport…so this argument you are even trying to make means nothing to me.

If I wanted to “lock up” with someone, I would train for it like I have in the past. I would not rely on my weight training for that alone…but thank you for expressing to everyone how strong you are.

I am sure no one will see that as lacking humility at all.
[/quote]

i was not talking about a fight, just a friendly wrestling match. the type me and my buds would get into all the time for fun just for a goof.

and i have never said i was strong, EVER

i have a long and consistent posting history here, and i have never once claimed to be anything more than AVERAGE if even that, in the world of high level competitive strength sports i was part of for many years.

again, i was just giving a fictional anecdote to make my point that hammer machines are a good bodybuilding tool and perhaps for injury rehab, but not much for anything else, and of course you super inflated ego could not handle it, so you continue to argue a moot point.

I love you. dont ever stop posting. serious, this shit is great.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
What does "lock up " mean forgive my ignorance[/quote]

He was basically saying if we fought he would win…which as you can see NO ONE has a problem with.

But I am sure if I challenged someone to a fight like that this thread would have added an extra 30 pages by now.

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again, you are lying. You claimed preacher curling 85 lb dbs when “working on form” and could do more, but now backtracked to 80. I really hope the number of noobs you misinform (including myself when I joined this site) is making its way down to 0. Every weight room has guys who spout incorrect dogma, and every online forum even moreso.

However, this forum honestly has a small amount of posters and post turnover to the number of lurkers it gets. Any post here automatically gets a lot of viewers. When we give such advice, we really impact the lives of a lot of people who lurk on this site and take this advice to heart. That is why you’ll see me continue to call you out on your lies. also it’s fun

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That “sheet” is the sarcoplasmic sheath covering muscle tissue…which is NOT limited to ONLY deep tissue stretching. It covers the entire muscle belly. [/quote]
Does anyone agree with your personal theory, that fat gain will lead to fascial stretching that will help gain more muscles?

in b4 Prof X thinks he’s the Galileo of hypertrophy