[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
walttz you avatar is hilarious [/quote]
not for the dragon…[/quote]
Dragon had it coming.[/quote]
Damned straight. Look at that belly, he was a perma bulker…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, because you seem to not be willing or able to provide specific nutrition recommendations for gaining for noobs, can you tell us what you’d have intermediates do, say people who’ve been lifting for six months or more and have now stalled? [/quote]
I would not make SPECIFIC nutrition recommendations without looking at and following the individual and his/her progress. Anything else is baseless pseudoscience in action. I would not diagnose a patient without walking into the clinic first, so why would I make specific recommendations without knowing the trainer or seeing them and knowing what they are doing and eating now?
Unbelievable how you claim you can’t give nutrition recommendations without background info, meanwhile I just provided weight, height, and bodyfat percentage.
I should have told my nutrition professors to stop giving me case studies on tests, because after all, the case studies are hypothetical and not real people.
So X, because you can’t answer that question, I have another challenge for you. And it’s NOT about a person.
I’ll make it simple. Write a meal (not even a whole day’s worth of food) consisting of 15 grams of fat, 40 grams of protein, and 60 grams of carbs. This one should take 3 to 10 minutes depending on food choices.
And apparently all those writers on here–you know, CT, John Meadows, Clay Hyght, John Berardi, etc.–shouldn’t have provided their general nutrition guidelines and sample diets for HYPOTHETICAL case studies because after all, the articles were targeted at a general audience and not clients sitting in their office or being counseled via the net.
Come to think of it, the same goes for all those sample plans and templates provided by god knows how many writers on this site. I wonder what state this site would be in if it weren’t for all of them. (We’d have about ten articles on here.)
So X, under what special conditions can you part with ANY specific advice?
And also, maybe all those questions sent into MD and Flex to the personal columns of Yates and the like should all be ignored too. What a great amount of information we’d have in academia and magazines.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would not make SPECIFIC nutrition recommendations without looking at and following the individual and his/her progress. Anything else is baseless pseudoscience in action. I would not diagnose a patient without walking into the clinic first, so why would I make specific recommendations without knowing the trainer or seeing them and knowing what they are doing and eating now?
[/quote]
OK, so how about GENERAL recommendations.
Here’s my GENERAL recommendations for a skinny noob if I was talking to one.
Here’s a list of carbs (show list). Start out with this serving size at each meal (maybe a fist sized portion).
Here’s a list of healthy fats (show list). Start with this serving at each meal (perhaps 2 or 3 tspns).
Here’s a list of protein items (show list). Start with a palm size serving at each meal.
In between meals, choose healthy items like Greek yogurt, fruit, cottage cheese, nuts, protein powder, and so on. Don’t overstuff yourself, but eat when you’re hungry between meals.
What are you general guidelines?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And apparently all those writers on here–you know, CT, John Meadows, Clay Hyght, John Berardi, etc.–shouldn’t have provided their general nutrition guidelines and sample diets for HYPOTHETICAL case studies because after all, the articles were targeted at a general audience and not clients sitting in their office or being counseled via the net.
Come to think of it, the same goes for all those sample plans and templates provided by god knows how many writers on this site. I wonder what state this site would be in if it weren’t for all of them. (We’d have about ten articles on here.)
So X, under what special conditions can you part with ANY specific advice?
And also, maybe all those questions sent into MD and Flex to the personal columns of Yates and the like should all be ignored too. What a great amount of information we’d have in academia and magazines. [/quote]
me make recommendations based on progress
obviously when starting a new client the coach goes : tell me what you are doing and keep doing it, I will evaluate and send minimal adjustments in 5-6months unless if I judge you are not progressing enough
You people still fall for this? Just move on. Let some new posters take over the game.
Different stages in the X-game:
(1) Get all serious and try to argue with X
(2) Get pissed off but still engage him to show him and the world just how wrong he is.
(3) Realize it is futile and start making fun remarks instead.
(4) Realize that making fun of his antics is getting old and ignoring him is the way to go.
Most are in stage (3) it seems, some still in (2). I moved on to stage 4.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Gains in bodyweight don’t always correlate to bigger muscles because even adding solely fat can lead to bigger lifts. [/quote]
hey…and if someone is getting bigger lifts, you think this does NOT translate to bigger muscles and more strength gains?[/quote]
Apparently you didn’t see where I said “not in all cases” which implies there are some cases in which it does.
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
So yes, strength does lead to muscle. [/quote]
Then please explain why Olympic lifters and powerlifters have increased strength at the same weight?
I also said lifts can increase just from increasing fat mass in some cases. Hence why many people’s lifts go down when they come from an outrageously bulked state, only to find that not only did they lose strength, they didn’t wind up with much muscle than pre-bulk.
And again, I said NOT IN ALL CASES.
Does anyone around here understand the difference between ALL, NOT ALL, SOME, MANY, MOST, LESS, and NONE?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Gains in bodyweight don’t always correlate to bigger muscles because even adding solely fat can lead to bigger lifts. Some people believe because they gained strength in a particular lift, there must be a gain in muscle size. In some cases this is so, but in the case of increased leverage and cushioning or decreased bar distance, it’s not. You can pretty much eat your way to a bigger bench. [/quote]
My opinions on bodyweight/strength & muscle gains…
It is true that extra strength does not equal muscle, but with extra strength, you CAN BUILD extra muscle…
The truth is, MOST of the big guys in the gym, are also the strongest. Somebody responded to my previous post, and I got some support from people, but 3/4/5 plates on the bench, squat, and deadlift is not that common in my honest opinion.
For some people, strength comes very easily. For others, they struggle to gain an ounce of strength. For me, I believe most of my strength gains were due to the large amounts of food I ate.
Stu as an example, said he was able to build strength very easily, although his physique did not reflect this. I believe that with strength, you have a lot more techniques at your disposal, which would not be available without the strength.
For example, if you can only bench press 225 as your 1st exercise, and 80lb dbs as your 2nd exercise, and decide to start your workout by pre-fatiguing with flyes, you might now only be able to lift 185, on the bench, and only 65’s on the db’s.
See how that varies between being able to do say 275-315 as your 1st exercise, 115’s as your 2nd? Your now able to pre-fatigue, and still bang out heavy weights, which in my opinion, WILL lead to bigger muscles, if the nutrition is there.
If you take the same person, and feed him the exact same nutrients provided they are adequate for building muscle, the more weight/volume that person is able to handle and recover from, the bigger that person will get.
So yes, strength does lead to muscle. [/quote]
BEST POST.
This is what this topic is about.[/quote]
X, because you like to be a nit picker sometimes, I’ll do the same. If definitely strength leads to more muscle, how come some powerlifter and Olympic lifters have made strides remaining at the same bodyweight?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
[quote]cally wrote:
How many more ways can the same question be stated before it gets old? I mean, these threads are on purpose now right? Purposeful shitstorms?[/quote]
X2.
I have just been reading here lately and find it hilarious that this thread has been started. X, surely you knew what response you would get? This topic has been discussed over and over again yet you STILL think it needs discussing?! [/quote]
Every topic here has been discussed over and over. Bodybuilding and weight lifting isn’t even about finding all new ways to do shit.
Unless you are doing the same whining about old topics in every other thread that has ever been discussed before, why would you shit on this thread?
Discuss the topic…or don’t post in the thread. Anything else is trolling.[/quote]
Changed my mind, please continue with the discussion without me
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Back to the point of this thread, like the guy in the vids, most of the really big guys you see, unless drugs were used early on, did spend some time just working on size alone. It is how you get arms that big while looking like that dieting down.
If you are a newb, my advice would be to define your goals very specifically or as well as you can.
Understand that there will be many short term goals along the way that must be met and it is smart to think of these within “year long” terms that can actually be reached. ie, I want to get my arms an inch bigger this year. This is a goal that can actually happen in a year’s time. Gaining 4" in one year is not.
Listen to the people who actually got big. Understand why they approached it the way they did. Understand that what they did exactly may not fit your personal life style so changes may need to be made.
Lastly, regardless of what way you choose to travel…understand that no one got fucking huge by accident. No one is saying there is only one way to do things right. What is being said is that it is most likely for you to reach your own ultimate goal if you follow the pathway of guys who literally were close to where you were and made it to your goal.
If some guy gained 80lbs without ever going above 10% body fat, your goal is NOT to simply follow that (because your own genetics or lifestyle may not allow it). It is to understand how that person was able to do that (whether through genetics, drugs or something else) and make wise choices that don’t miss the basic info.
lastly, everyone fucks up. That is a part of learning.
The smart people adjust and make even more progress.
The slow people keep doing the same thing despite running in place.[/quote]
This is a good post, more like this and I think we can all play nicely
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And apparently all those writers on here–you know, CT, John Meadows, Clay Hyght, John Berardi, etc.–shouldn’t have provided their general nutrition guidelines and sample diets for HYPOTHETICAL case studies because after all, the articles were targeted at a general audience and not clients sitting in their office or being counseled via the net.
Come to think of it, the same goes for all those sample plans and templates provided by god knows how many writers on this site. I wonder what state this site would be in if it weren’t for all of them. (We’d have about ten articles on here.)
So X, under what special conditions can you part with ANY specific advice?
And also, maybe all those questions sent into MD and Flex to the personal columns of Yates and the like should all be ignored too. What a great amount of information we’d have in academia and magazines. [/quote]
me make recommendations based on progress
obviously when starting a new client the coach goes : tell me what you are doing and keep doing it, I will evaluate and send minimal adjustments in 5-6months unless if I judge you are not progressing enough[/quote]
Optimus postus!
I was going to make a similar one but you beat me. Perhaps when some poor obese person comes to me for help, I’ll say, “Stay the course for 3 more months. We’ll see where your inactivity and overeating further takes you. See you later.”
I am just… amazed.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I am just… amazed at Derek’s dancing.[/quote]
Thanks
Now I was not able to find the pic without the mrT head shopped on it but this was you about 11yrs ago PX, correct?
Do you really consider yourself more impressive now…? And if so, in 11 years of bulking and accepting “necessary” fat gains for optimal growth do you feel like when all is said and done and you end up leaning down you will look much bigger than you did on that pic…?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I am just… amazed at Derek’s dancing.[/quote]
Thanks[/quote]
You never cease to amaze wit’ yo skillz.
[quote]cally wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Back to the point of this thread, like the guy in the vids, most of the really big guys you see, unless drugs were used early on, did spend some time just working on size alone. It is how you get arms that big while looking like that dieting down.
If you are a newb, my advice would be to define your goals very specifically or as well as you can.
Understand that there will be many short term goals along the way that must be met and it is smart to think of these within “year long” terms that can actually be reached. ie, I want to get my arms an inch bigger this year. This is a goal that can actually happen in a year’s time. Gaining 4" in one year is not.
Listen to the people who actually got big. Understand why they approached it the way they did. Understand that what they did exactly may not fit your personal life style so changes may need to be made.
Lastly, regardless of what way you choose to travel…understand that no one got fucking huge by accident. No one is saying there is only one way to do things right. What is being said is that it is most likely for you to reach your own ultimate goal if you follow the pathway of guys who literally were close to where you were and made it to your goal.
If some guy gained 80lbs without ever going above 10% body fat, your goal is NOT to simply follow that (because your own genetics or lifestyle may not allow it). It is to understand how that person was able to do that (whether through genetics, drugs or something else) and make wise choices that don’t miss the basic info.
lastly, everyone fucks up. That is a part of learning.
The smart people adjust and make even more progress.
The slow people keep doing the same thing despite running in place.[/quote]
This is a good post, more like this and I think we can all play nicely
[/quote]
Yep, that was a…
Pretty solid post
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I am just… amazed at Derek’s dancing.[/quote]
Thanks[/quote]
You never cease to amaze wit’ yo skillz.[/quote]
He is a ninja
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I am just… amazed at Derek’s dancing.[/quote]
Thanks[/quote]
Nice flick. Is that from Breakin’ or Breakin’ 2?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
wait…im sorry, i know i pop in and out but im confused. Are we still arguing that extra food makes extra mucle on top of optimal nutrient intake? brb while i go snort some cheeseburgers. [/quote]
No. What is being argued is that none of you have the expensive medical equipment at home to daily come up with some way to account for all variables so that you ONLY gain muscle at an optimal rate. If that needs further explanation, just ask.