The Body Weight Factor

Training
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[quote]setto222 wrote:

Meh,

I did some searching and Prof X basically said that if you want to bench 405 you need to have drive and passion. If you don’t have either of those things you might as well give up (paraphrased). I can’t find any reference to him saying you should flat out give up. I’m not a huge Prof X supporter but I do appreciate the sentiment of passion and drive. No used starting something if you aren’t gonna give it a fair go.

I think the lean vs full shithouse thing is a matter of opinion though I do see plenty of people on these forums wishing that they would have skipped the “bulk” and gained slowly. What is that if not wisdom and experience from those who have achieved your goals?

I like the lean look because my fiancee likes the lean look and I find it more comfortable. Nuff said.
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I hope those people can move on now that this has been answered for them.

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Can’t believe this video wasn’t posted yet.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m not defensing X, only pointing out he said he didn’t make the comment several pages back. [/quote]

Exactly. [/quote]

Minus my spelling abilities though :frowning:

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
If one thinks N.O. xplode and “top tier supplements” is the difference maker than no, they are not using common sense.

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Just like someone who follows the strategy of a top pro who uses a lot of steroids and GH yet isn’t doing the same. They are also not using common sense.

Simply put, one of the main reasons many pros today do NOT do like the guy in that video we have been discussing and bulk up like they used to (obviously no one is talkiing about getting as fat as he did)…is because the drugs used allow you to remain very lean while gaining muscle now.

kai greene isn’t doing what Sergio Oliva was as far as drug use.[/quote]

What would you suggest for a natty recreational lifter that has reached a plateu and is looking for a few pointers so shave some strokes of his game? Who should they look toward for diet and training advice?[/quote]

Good question.
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Well, my firm belief is that when it comes to diet or training, nobody can be completely wrong(unless its just lol material). Some things work better for others and they have adapted their training to what works for them. X had a lack of sleep while he was in school, it worked for him. For me, if I dont get 10 hours of sleep I feel like absolute dog shit. I cant focus, my mood suffers, my workout suffers and its just plain awful.

I think lifters, whether noob or not, need to play with variables to find what works for them and give themselves the time to figure out if its working or not. I jacked up my caloric intake to 4500 because I thought I wasnt gaining. Three weeks later I looked in the mirror and I definitely gained, but it wasnt muscle. I had a knee jerk reaction and Im glad I learned it early in my lifting career.

And as far as training goes, pick up heavier weights and sacrifice a little bit of form or range of motion. Theres been plenty of times in the last six months where I picked up a heavier than normal weight, or weight that I was completely uncomfortable with and crushed it. I also added more volume because what worked a month or two ago, just wasnt cutting it at the moment.

Just some examples on how I think we should play with variables to find what works best for each individual.

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

Can’t believe this video wasn’t posted yet.[/quote]

It has been, but you cannot see it enough.

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[quote]AScic1 wrote:

Well, my firm belief is that when it comes to diet or training, nobody can be completely wrong(unless its just lol material). Some things work better for others and they have adapted their training to what works for them. X had a lack of sleep while he was in school, it worked for him. For me, if I dont get 10 hours of sleep I feel like absolute dog shit. I cant focus, my mood suffers, my workout suffers and its just plain awful.

I think lifters, whether noob or not, need to play with variables to find what works for them and give themselves the time to figure out if its working or not. I jacked up my caloric intake to 4500 because I thought I wasnt gaining. Three weeks later I looked in the mirror and I definitely gained, but it wasnt muscle. I had a knee jerk reaction and Im glad I learned it early in my lifting career.

And as far as training goes, pick up heavier weights and sacrifice a little bit of form or range of motion. Theres been plenty of times in the last six months where I picked up a heavier than normal weight, or weight that I was completely uncomfortable with and crushed it. I also added more volume because what worked a month or two ago, just wasnt cutting it at the moment.

Just some examples on how I think we should play with variables to find what works best for each individual.
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Good post…and you bring up a good issue when it comes to going heavier.

many times, me making progress depended on split second decisions to work outside of my comfort zone. These times can not be mapped out ahead of time. It may be because some guy is using the weight I was planning on using next…so I grab the set that is 5lbs heavier and make that my new “heavier set”.

It takes a level of drive that can be learned…but not over the internet.

It takes watching and being around other people who do NOT work within their comfort zone as a way of life.

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Back to the point of this thread, like the guy in the vids, most of the really big guys you see, unless drugs were used early on, did spend some time just working on size alone. It is how you get arms that big while looking like that dieting down.

If you are a newb, my advice would be to define your goals very specifically or as well as you can.

Understand that there will be many short term goals along the way that must be met and it is smart to think of these within “year long” terms that can actually be reached. ie, I want to get my arms an inch bigger this year. This is a goal that can actually happen in a year’s time. Gaining 4" in one year is not.

Listen to the people who actually got big. Understand why they approached it the way they did. Understand that what they did exactly may not fit your personal life style so changes may need to be made.

Lastly, regardless of what way you choose to travel…understand that no one got fucking huge by accident. No one is saying there is only one way to do things right. What is being said is that it is most likely for you to reach your own ultimate goal if you follow the pathway of guys who literally were close to where you were and made it to your goal.

If some guy gained 80lbs without ever going above 10% body fat, your goal is NOT to simply follow that (because your own genetics or lifestyle may not allow it). It is to understand how that person was able to do that (whether through genetics, drugs or something else) and make wise choices that don’t miss the basic info.

lastly, everyone fucks up. That is a part of learning.

The smart people adjust and make even more progress.

The slow people keep doing the same thing despite running in place.

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Prof X, my apologies if you’ve answered this before, but how did you get big and what is your justification for gaining fat along with muscle?

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Prof X, my apologies if you’ve answered this before, but how did you get big and what is your justification for gaining fat along with muscle?[/quote]

You can go here and find those answers.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/professor_x_a_request?id=651079&pageNo=0

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

he is/was drug free, and prides himself on that. So drugs are out of the equation here. Just to clear that up. [/quote]

For the record, all the more reason to understand what you are up against when the goal is to reach anywhere near you potential in body muscle mass.

The guy who gets there is the one who also took advantage of the best growth periods of his life and worked on size during those times. It is the guy who didn’t waste that valuable time constantly dieting any time they go overboard even a little (something I really think people are doing here because they are more worried with the abs instead of the overall mass gains).

Your body doesn’t have forever to get big like that. It just doesn’t.

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??? didn’t Phil Heath start bodybuilding after college

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

he is/was drug free, and prides himself on that. So drugs are out of the equation here. Just to clear that up. [/quote]

For the record, all the more reason to understand what you are up against when the goal is to reach anywhere near you potential in body muscle mass.

The guy who gets there is the one who also took advantage of the best growth periods of his life and worked on size during those times. It is the guy who didn’t waste that valuable time constantly dieting any time they go overboard even a little (something I really think people are doing here because they are more worried with the abs instead of the overall mass gains).

Your body doesn’t have forever to get big like that. It just doesn’t.
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Actually the suggestion isn’t “diet down constantly” it’s “stay a bit leaner WHILE STILL GAINING WITH A SURPLUS OF CALORIES because it’s more effective”.

Not sure how you’ve conflated that suggestion into diet down constantly when your abs blur. Oh right, because you didn’t do it that way and if someone suggests doing it that way, you take it personally as if they are saying YOU did it wrong.

In B4 holding back possible gains.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

Actually the suggestion isn’t “diet down constantly” it’s “stay a bit leaner WHILE STILL GAINING WITH A SURPLUS OF CALORIES because it’s more effective”.

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How lean someone should stay should be based on how they progress. How can you claim it is more effective to stay leaner when the alternative is simply saying allow your gains to dictate that?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

Actually the suggestion isn’t “diet down constantly” it’s “stay a bit leaner WHILE STILL GAINING WITH A SURPLUS OF CALORIES because it’s more effective”.

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How lean someone should stay should be based on how they progress. How can you claim it is more effective to stay leaner when the alternative is simply saying allow your gains to dictate that?[/quote]

The same way you say that it is better to not stay lean for optimum gains.

Also, the “guy in the video” CT Fletcher trains his son and said he would never allow him to get that big…he trains him stay lean…or is he not a good example?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

Actually the suggestion isn’t “diet down constantly” it’s “stay a bit leaner WHILE STILL GAINING WITH A SURPLUS OF CALORIES because it’s more effective”.

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How lean someone should stay should be based on how they progress. How can you claim it is more effective to stay leaner when the alternative is simply saying allow your gains to dictate that?[/quote]

Back pedal much?

Anyway, you know that wasn’t the point of my post. It was to simply point out your intentional discoloration of the suggestion I outlined to add weight to your stance.

Certainly to an extent leanness should be SOMEWHAT dictated by progress and no one on this board is saying do it in sacrifice of good gains. For some reason though, you claim that’s what is being said.

Also, you have never “simply said” allow your gains to dictate your leanness. Any time it has been suggested in the past, you holler about diminished gains and getting to your goal the fastest.

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wait…im sorry, i know i pop in and out but im confused. Are we still arguing that extra food makes extra mucle on top of optimal nutrient intake? brb while i go snort some cheeseburgers.

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walttz you avatar is hilarious

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cueball why are you always angry :frowning:

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[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
walttz you avatar is hilarious [/quote]

not for the dragon…

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
walttz you avatar is hilarious [/quote]

not for the dragon…[/quote]

Dragon had it coming.