Thanks for the kind words guys. My gains should have been better, I had to deal with an 8 month long chronic illness during this that if I told you it happened you would call bulkshit. Hell I would call bullshit. On a side note that 405 Deadlift, while not that impressive, was done with an open surgical wound on my tailbone. Kept things interesting
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also one who doesn’t think his arms would be anywhere near that big without those several years of all out working on size and strength.[/quote]
Dude trained arms everyday for 1.5 years straight. Strict curl champ and i beleive still record holder at 225. Powered by Mac Donalds. Do need to mention his eatin habbits and perma bulking almost killed him and now he lives with a metal valve in his heart and takes 10 different meds a day. [/quote]
I train arms almost daily now also. It has made a huge difference.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
haha that’s way too cool, do you ever try to train with them? That’d be freaking awesome to train with those guys daily
[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Thanks for the kind words guys. My gains should have been better, I had to deal with an 8 month long chronic illness during this that if I told you it happened you would call bulkshit. Hell I would call bullshit. On a side note that 405 Deadlift, while not that impressive, was done with an open surgical wound on my tailbone. Kept things interesting [/quote]
I had surgery before and a few injuries. Anyone who can get laid back for 8 months and pull that off needs to shrug off any hate you get.
Post again in 2 years and blow everyone away.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
You afraid of overtraining?!? Youre afraid of working mother fucker!
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
You afraid of overtraining?!? Youre afraid of working mother fucker! [/quote]
Exactly. If you are that afraid of overtraining, you won’t ever get huge.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
You afraid of overtraining?!? Youre afraid of working mother fucker! [/quote]
Exactly. If you are that afraid of overtraining, you won’t ever get huge.[/quote]
enjoy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Thanks for the kind words guys. My gains should have been better, I had to deal with an 8 month long chronic illness during this that if I told you it happened you would call bulkshit. Hell I would call bullshit. On a side note that 405 Deadlift, while not that impressive, was done with an open surgical wound on my tailbone. Kept things interesting [/quote]
I had surgery before and a few injuries. Anyone who can get laid back for 8 months and pull that off needs to shrug off any hate you get.
Post again in 2 years and blow everyone away.[/quote]
Yeah man surgery is a bitch. Unfortunately for me the surgery was 7 months, and the seperate unrelated chronic illness was 8 months. Haha it was a rough point in my life. If I remember correctly you did have some pretty serious injuries at one point. I may be confusing you with someone else but I’m not sure.
[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bulkNcut wrote:
Thanks for the kind words guys. My gains should have been better, I had to deal with an 8 month long chronic illness during this that if I told you it happened you would call bulkshit. Hell I would call bullshit. On a side note that 405 Deadlift, while not that impressive, was done with an open surgical wound on my tailbone. Kept things interesting [/quote]
I had surgery before and a few injuries. Anyone who can get laid back for 8 months and pull that off needs to shrug off any hate you get.
Post again in 2 years and blow everyone away.[/quote]
Yeah man surgery is a bitch. Unfortunately for me the surgery was 7 months, and the seperate unrelated chronic illness was 8 months. Haha it was a rough point in my life. If I remember correctly you did have some pretty serious injuries at one point. I may be confusing you with someone else but I’m not sure. [/quote]
Car accident before the CO videos and a motorcycle accident last year.
I broke the fingers on my right hand (I couldn’t even wash myself with that hand for severaL months and had to use grips and wrist straps for all weights used as they put pins in my fingers) and trained through it and lost minimal muscle at all…but as you can see, I get laughed at for not being able to do a lunge after all of that.
Simply put, ignore the assholes like the guy who called you out on your progress and think LONG TERM. Anyone who can fight like that when they get dealt a bad hand has the potential to do great things.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Consistency is a given for anyone above average. I would prefer to discuss what seperates the great from above average. As in what the world class powerlifter/strongman/bodybuilder (gasp!) does that the above average gym rat doesn’t. Anyone can go to the gym consistently and seperate themselves from fat people that eat cookies all day. [/quote]
But that’s not what this forum is about. It’s about the average lifter growing as a lifter. How can we really discuss this anyway?
“Well I read Ronnie does this in Menâ??s Health so that must be the secret,” do yu see what I’m saying? It’s all here say unless the pros or elite are posting themselves. Which is they are it likely would be in their respective forum. For example Stu, a well above average possibly elite bodybuilder (I don’t know much about the sport), posts most of his advice in his BB forum threads. That makes sense, so if you want to see what he is doing to set himself apart that’s where the discussion will be.
Most of us are and will always be average/slightly above average. So discussing how the pros separate themselves is not really helpful when half the people here can’t properly deadlift 300 pounds.
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Discussing what makes the best the best can only help the average lifter get better imo. Will it make them a pro? Hell no. Doesn’t matter. A recreational golfer that wants nothing more than improve better his game a bit would look at what pro golfers do and emulate that. Why would recreational lifters be any different?
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
haha that’s way too cool, do you ever try to train with them? That’d be freaking awesome to train with those guys daily[/quote]
I train “with” them, but I usually dont work in. They usually arent doing what I’m doing on that day and I usually catch them like half way into their workout. Its like 8 guys just deadlifting their asses off for an hour, then doing pull downs for 45 minutes, then T Bar rows for an hour… Its insanity
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
PX didnt say “I look like that guy” … He said “I would RATHER look like that than stage lean”
Although I should mention that CT is basically stage lean at this point. He competed (and won) a few weeks ago, so he is only a few weeks removed from the stage. I train at the same gym… Its fucking nuts in there most days. He really is like that 24/7 and that crew gets DOWN. Not a single fuck is given about Over training… I assure you[/quote]
You afraid of overtraining?!? Youre afraid of working mother fucker! [/quote]
Exactly. If you are that afraid of overtraining, you won’t ever get huge.[/quote]
enjoy. [/quote]
LOL “you worried about working motherfucker.”
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Discussing what makes the best the best can only help the average lifter get better imo. Will it make them a pro? Hell no. Doesn’t matter. A recreational golfer that wants nothing more than improve better his game a bit would look at what pro golfers do and emulate that. Why would recreational lifters be any different? [/quote]
It all needs to be in context…because if the approach of that pro is based almost solely on his drug routine more than anything else, then their approach isn’t something that could even be followed by most here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
You do realize he has competed in bodybuilding and stayed aounrd that current level of leanness ever since right? Granted he used to be a big boy and pounded 20 years worth of big macs.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he ever competed. Most of the guys I train around have competed before. he is NOT in competition weight in that vid so again, his abs are NOT visible because of his shirt…so WHO would actually act like some here seem to be and even CARE if his abs are showing RIGHT WHEN THAT VIDEO WAS SHOT?
No one is telling anyone to gain any more body fat than they need to reach their goal in muscle gains.
I was making a point that most of us in this forum are likely going for a look where we stand out like THAT…not “competition shape”.[/quote]
Lulz…you were doing awesome, then this.
CT Fletcher is single diget bodyfat, he has a full christmas tree and is shredded to the bone.
He got nice and big and fat and had a quad bypass and now is on 12 different meds a day, just t stay alive.
He has said in several videos that if he had it to do over again he would never get that big and fat.
If you wanna look like him, better start cutting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Discussing what makes the best the best can only help the average lifter get better imo. Will it make them a pro? Hell no. Doesn’t matter. A recreational golfer that wants nothing more than improve better his game a bit would look at what pro golfers do and emulate that. Why would recreational lifters be any different? [/quote]
It all needs to be in context…because if the approach of that pro is based almost solely on his drug routine more than anything else, then their approach isn’t something that could even be followed by most here.
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Obvioulsy. If you are natty, emulate natty pros. Assisted? emulate assisted pros.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Discussing what makes the best the best can only help the average lifter get better imo. Will it make them a pro? Hell no. Doesn’t matter. A recreational golfer that wants nothing more than improve better his game a bit would look at what pro golfers do and emulate that. Why would recreational lifters be any different? [/quote]
It all needs to be in context…because if the approach of that pro is based almost solely on his drug routine more than anything else, then their approach isn’t something that could even be followed by most here.
[/quote]
Obvioulsy. If you are natty, emulate natty pros. Assisted? emulate assisted pros.
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It isn’t even that simple. Even if someone plans to use steroids later, they still need that base of size and strength.
if someone is literally focusing on “staying leaner” because they think this concept alone is the take home message and not “learning to listen to the results you actually get for YOUR OWN body and act accordingly” then they will hold themselves back.
For instance, if the main reason more pros stay leaner when gaining now as opposed to 1995 because GH is now the main course meal daily, then telling every newb to look at the leanness alone is NOT how they will make the most progress.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Discussing what makes the best the best can only help the average lifter get better imo. Will it make them a pro? Hell no. Doesn’t matter. A recreational golfer that wants nothing more than improve better his game a bit would look at what pro golfers do and emulate that. Why would recreational lifters be any different? [/quote]
It all needs to be in context…because if the approach of that pro is based almost solely on his drug routine more than anything else, then their approach isn’t something that could even be followed by most here.
[/quote]
Obvioulsy. If you are natty, emulate natty pros. Assisted? emulate assisted pros.
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The question is, how many natty pros go super bulk and then cut down…if only there were natty pros on this site who could let us know??
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
CT Fletcher is single digit bodyfat, he has a full christmas tree and is shredded to the bone.[/quote]
In that video?
In that gif image?
How do you know this?
No one is telling people to get AS FAT as he was.
Simply put, he bulked up and got huge first and then dieted. Why fuss about the exact weight he got up to when no one is saying to do exactly that?
key point, I wouldn’t tell anyone to get as fat as I did…so what is your point?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The question is, how many natty pros go super bulk and then cut down…if only there were natty pros on this site who could let us know??[/quote]
This forum is not about contest condition.
Why do you keep bringing that aspect up here?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
CT Fletcher is single digit bodyfat, he has a full christmas tree and is shredded to the bone.[/quote]
In that video?
In that gif image?
How do you know this?
No one is telling people to get AS FAT as he was.
Simply put, he bulked up and got huge first and then dieted. Why fuss about the exact weight he got up to when no one is saying to do exactly that?
key point, I wouldn’t tell anyone to get as fat as I did…so what is your point?[/quote]
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I subscribe to his pages, and have heard most if not all of his interviews.
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You said the optimum way to grow is to put on weight, hopefully good, which puts you in the best state to grow…and not most natty pros are not bulking…they are growing lean.
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You said he was an example of how you “wanted to look” well…he is NOT full house, he is single digit bodyfat…not 20%
Just because you gain weight, does not mean you are growing optimum.