[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X: You said you’re nowhere near where you want to be. I was curious where you want to be and where you see yourself. What do you see? 20 more pounds LBM? 10? 5? 30? Improvements in certain bodyparts?[/quote]
I don’t set number limits for myself. I see that as holding me back.
Maybe that is why I made this much progress.
Therefore, continuing to ask the same question will give you the same response.
That is the very definition of insanity if you continue.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
Thing is no-one here disagrees with the fact that BOTH methods work regards old school bulking and the leaner approach found lately. I think the issue is that the advocates of either approach are taking too seriously the fact that if someone chooses a different path it sort of reflects negatively on their own choice as though they made a mistake somehow. Its literally nit picking along the lines of taking two seperate roads to the same destination, one a scenic route and the other maybe a route through a town. If they both get there in the end whats the fuss?
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The real debate I saw was that it was considered they would reach the same goal at a similar time…and I do disagree with that. You have a very valuable time during your life to make even more progress. This is something I truly believe based on what I have learned and my own experiences. This is due to many factors that we have discussed here.[/quote]
LOL I was just in really good mood today having nailed the bassline for LZ Lemon Song finally and just wanted everyone to chill a bit and share the common ground. I will be less happy in about an hour as I try a tricky live version of Jack Bruce LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X: You said you’re nowhere near where you want to be. I was curious where you want to be and where you see yourself. What do you see? 20 more pounds LBM? 10? 5? 30? Improvements in certain bodyparts?[/quote]
I don’t set number limits for myself. I see that as holding me back.
Maybe that is why I made this much progress.
Therefore, continuing to ask the same question will give you the same response.
That is the very definition of insanity if you continue.[/quote]
How is asking someone where they see themselves setting limits? Isn’t it more like talking about ASPIRATIONS, the antithesis of limits?
Like if you ask an aspiring bodybuilder where he can reasonably see himself, and he says something like, “I see myself competing in the Olympia?” is this a negative or limiting conversation or asking about his dreams and aspirations?
Or if you ask him about his physique and he asnwers, “I definitely gotta work on my back to hang with the best.” is this somehow negative?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X: You said you’re nowhere near where you want to be. I was curious where you want to be and where you see yourself. What do you see? 20 more pounds LBM? 10? 5? 30? Improvements in certain bodyparts?[/quote]
I don’t set number limits for myself. I see that as holding me back.
Maybe that is why I made this much progress.
Therefore, continuing to ask the same question will give you the same response.
That is the very definition of insanity if you continue.[/quote]
Goal = limit.
hah. News to me. You should probably let all the authors here that recommend concrete goal setting know they are wrong.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X: You said you’re nowhere near where you want to be. I was curious where you want to be and where you see yourself. What do you see? 20 more pounds LBM? 10? 5? 30? Improvements in certain bodyparts?[/quote]
I don’t set number limits for myself. I see that as holding me back.
Maybe that is why I made this much progress.
Therefore, continuing to ask the same question will give you the same response.
That is the very definition of insanity if you continue.[/quote]
Goal = limit.
hah. News to me. You should probably let all the authors here that recommend concrete goal setting know they are wrong.[/quote]
I dunno man. Next time someone questions me on where I see myself in five years, instead of answering with, “Married with two kids, further along in my career, and keeping in good fitness,” I’ll answer, “I don’t set limits”.
LIke on a job interview, when an interviewer asks me, “What is your aspiration here?” I’ll respond, “Look pal/woman, I don’t set limits. Who knows? I might be running this goddamn place one day, and you just might be out of a job by then because I’ll remember when you were trying to keep me down.”
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
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Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X: You said you’re nowhere near where you want to be. I was curious where you want to be and where you see yourself. What do you see? 20 more pounds LBM? 10? 5? 30? Improvements in certain bodyparts?[/quote]
I don’t set number limits for myself. I see that as holding me back.
Maybe that is why I made this much progress.
Therefore, continuing to ask the same question will give you the same response.
That is the very definition of insanity if you continue.[/quote]
Goal = limit.
hah. News to me. You should probably let all the authors here that recommend concrete goal setting know they are wrong.[/quote]
Since when does my “goal” require a specific body weight? I am going for a LOOK. His question asked about WEIGHTS.
I already said I plan to get bigger and eventually lose more body fat. That IS my goal. I am able to see it very clearly in my head. Why do YOU need to see it like that?
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
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Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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Amazing BCT! This is huge inspiration to stay in it for the long haul.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
[/quote]
Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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This should go in the old dudes who are still jacked thread. Being deserving of that thread is my new life goal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I didn’t ask about your LIMIT! I asked what you see in store for yourself and how you’re gonna get it!
Did I ask, “What’s your limit?” or “What do you see in store for yourself?”![/quote]
I see myself getting bigger and then getting leaner. I hope that answers that question for you.
I flatly disagree with your “15 year” time limit and am surprised no one else is calling you on it.
I guess being “nice” means you can make up shit on the fly freely…[/quote]
Reposted since I apparently “didn’t answer the question”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I didn’t ask about your LIMIT! I asked what you see in store for yourself and how you’re gonna get it!
Did I ask, “What’s your limit?” or “What do you see in store for yourself?”![/quote]
I see myself getting bigger and then getting leaner. I hope that answers that question for you.
I flatly disagree with your “15 year” time limit and am surprised no one else is calling you on it.
I guess being “nice” means you can make up shit on the fly freely…[/quote]
Reposted since I apparently “didn’t answer the question”.[/quote]
Oh, sorry.
I was thinking a well versed guy like you could say something more specific like, “Long term, by 40: maybe 10 more pounds LBM. Could be more. Who knows? Maybe achieve that, and in the end come off with a more polished look, and from then on maintain.” Something reasonable like that.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think the problem is with the calculation part.
Being in medicine for 20 years there are just no guarantees, like has been said this end up being an art not a science. Why? Cause its basically the human body, again why its called practicing medicine.
My thought is like making your DL go up, you could do small increments of 2.5 lb plates to slowly go up over time. OR
you lay your balls on the floor grip it and rip it, sometimes to push the envelope.
Kind of the same mentality in regards to putting on slabs of muscle [/quote]
Just thought I’d point out that the guys I know of with the biggest deadliest (guys like Bolton) almost never go balls to the wall on a pull. lol.[/quote]
Well DD not literally. I was speaking more in what I have heard from Tate and Wendler in regards to pushing the envelope.
I mean what is a PL meet but pushing the envelope?
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
[/quote]
Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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Really would like to know your diet for your “summer look”
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think the problem is with the calculation part.
Being in medicine for 20 years there are just no guarantees, like has been said this end up being an art not a science. Why? Cause its basically the human body, again why its called practicing medicine.
My thought is like making your DL go up, you could do small increments of 2.5 lb plates to slowly go up over time. OR
you lay your balls on the floor grip it and rip it, sometimes to push the envelope.
Kind of the same mentality in regards to putting on slabs of muscle [/quote]
Just thought I’d point out that the guys I know of with the biggest deadliest (guys like Bolton) almost never go balls to the wall on a pull. lol.[/quote]
Well DD not literally. I was speaking more in what I have heard from Tate and Wendler in regards to pushing the envelope.
I mean what is a PL meet but pushing the envelope? [/quote]
I know I was just messing with you. Just thought it was kinda funny you chose the 1 lift that the best don’t push the limits on nearly as often.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I think the problem is with the calculation part.
Being in medicine for 20 years there are just no guarantees, like has been said this end up being an art not a science. Why? Cause its basically the human body, again why its called practicing medicine.
My thought is like making your DL go up, you could do small increments of 2.5 lb plates to slowly go up over time. OR
you lay your balls on the floor grip it and rip it, sometimes to push the envelope.
Kind of the same mentality in regards to putting on slabs of muscle [/quote]
Just thought I’d point out that the guys I know of with the biggest deadliest (guys like Bolton) almost never go balls to the wall on a pull. lol.[/quote]
Well DD not literally. I was speaking more in what I have heard from Tate and Wendler in regards to pushing the envelope.
I mean what is a PL meet but pushing the envelope? [/quote]
I know I was just messing with you. Just thought it was kinda funny you chose the 1 lift that the best don’t push the limits on nearly as often.[/quote]
Lol true. Not often per say, but would you say that people are MORE than likely to push?
I see it on here kids with low body weight pulling big numbers but could not bench press rep their body weight.
Seems to me a lot more people push the envelope with that lift 
BCT: I recall you saying you dieted down with both very high carb diets and ketogenic diets. Which approach did you like better and/or get better results with. Who do you advise follow either approach–say a ketogenic for an endomorph and a high carb approach for a meso or ecto? Did you experience significant muscle loss on keto? What about your cardio approach?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Not exactly 15, but by then, YUP, provided they’ve done things right in that time frame. [/quote]
Yeah, this is bullshit. Progress may slow, but people don’t literally hit a solid ceiling after a certain number of years. That would mean your body has lost its ability to adapt.
You seem to have a habit of setting limits for people.
I spent most of my life trying to break things like that.[/quote]
Professor, can you clarify.
Do you believe that a person can perpetually keep building more and more muscle every single year since “people don’t hit a solid ceiling after a certain number of years”?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
BCT: I recall you saying you dieted down with both very high carb diets and ketogenic diets. Which approach did you like better and/or get better results with. Who do you advise follow either approach–say a ketogenic for an endomorph and a high carb approach for a meso or ecto? Did you experience significant muscle loss on keto? What about your cardio approach?[/quote]
You have just saved this thread with this golden question haha, can’t wait for the response.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
BCT: I recall you saying you dieted down with both very high carb diets and ketogenic diets. Which approach did you like better and/or get better results with. Who do you advise follow either approach–say a ketogenic for an endomorph and a high carb approach for a meso or ecto? Did you experience significant muscle loss on keto? What about your cardio approach?[/quote]
You have just saved this thread with this golden question haha, can’t wait for the response.[/quote]
Thanks.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Not exactly 15, but by then, YUP, provided they’ve done things right in that time frame. [/quote]
Yeah, this is bullshit. Progress may slow, but people don’t literally hit a solid ceiling after a certain number of years. That would mean your body has lost its ability to adapt.
You seem to have a habit of setting limits for people.
I spent most of my life trying to break things like that.[/quote]
Professor, can you clarify.
Do you believe that a person can perpetually keep building more and more muscle every single year since “people don’t hit a solid ceiling after a certain number of years”?[/quote]
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
However, to make the statement that your biology ceases all growth after a certain period of time is simple nonsense.
The human body does not work that way. Your body is designed to adapt to stress…thus why the other poster found that motor units do not decrease in older weight lifters as opposed to older sedentary people.
This is about AGING and in bodybuilding it becomes understood that at some point, it takes all out progress just to keep from appearing to LOSE muscle mass as you age.
But this is like fat gain…your body is never LOSING ALL FAT or GAINING ALL FAT. Some is always being built and lost.