[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
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this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class.
I should mention that “in the aging population” means in the “older” population. All of the population is technically aging…haha
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
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this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Which is why I focus on THE AGE of the lifter so much and why in terms of any sort of bulk (like Leeman did) a younger lifter can see more benefit. Notice the total LACK of people in the steroid forum who are anywhere near his size…so it ain’t just the drugs.
That kid grew FAST…and he didn’t lean gain his way there.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
That is because this is biology. Your body does not hit a certain age and stop gaining any and all muscle.
By even telling people what you did the way you did, you are giving false info.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
hmmm…what you said isn’t nearly as ridiculous as you think. It’s actually pretty sound reasoning, no?
At one point the degree of improvement will be matched by the degree of degeneration and no apparent progress will be made BUT no apparent degeneration will occur either. The main thing though is that that old fart in the gym isn’t getting worse while all the other old farts can barely get out of bed.
In my opinion, progress as you age, get redefined.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
For the record I’m talking about much older people. I believe that we can outpace degeneration up until the upper limits of age. The guy who taught my class was a 65 year old exercise physiologist and he had NO intention of stopping his mountain-climbing, iron-lifting lifestyle.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
For the record I’m talking about much older people. I believe that we can outpace degeneration up until the upper limits of age. The guy who taught my class was a 65 year old exercise physiologist and he had NO intention of stopping his mountain-climbing, iron-lifting lifestyle. [/quote]
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
For the record I’m talking about much older people. I believe that we can outpace degeneration up until the upper limits of age. The guy who taught my class was a 65 year old exercise physiologist and he had NO intention of stopping his mountain-climbing, iron-lifting lifestyle. [/quote]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20048675[/quote]
LoL
Steely I’m not advocating anybody stop trying to be better and improve themselves no matter what the odds are, no matter what kind of degeneration they’re up against and no matter how uphill of a climb they have ahead of them.
I’m simply stating that exceptions don’t prove rules and eventually age catches up to you. Should you take this as a reason to stop giving it your all? Fuck no.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. Progress will be slower the older you get and the longer you train. It may even be so slow that it is happening at the same rate as degredation so it seems no progres is made.
[/quote]
this.
I remember taking a class (along with a research component) on the physiology of exercise in the aging population. The above quote pretty much summarizes the entire class. [/quote]
Yeah, I know right. Like even though the old fart in my gym is staying the same muscular size year after year, he’s really gaining. It’s just that I can’t see what’s going on in his body. [/quote]
For the record I’m talking about much older people. I believe that we can outpace degeneration up until the upper limits of age. The guy who taught my class was a 65 year old exercise physiologist and he had NO intention of stopping his mountain-climbing, iron-lifting lifestyle. [/quote]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20048675[/quote]
LoL
Steely I’m not advocating anybody stop trying to be better and improve themselves no matter what the odds are, no matter what kind of degeneration they’re up against and no matter how uphill of a climb they have ahead of them.
I’m simply stating that exceptions don’t prove rules and eventually age catches up to you. Should you take this as a reason to stop giving it your all? Fuck no. [/quote]
Oh, I know, man, I’m just posting shit up.
Exceptions to the rule are inspirational. If that dude can compete in his 90’s then anyone can. It’s mental.
In my opionion, this spills over into the “LIMITS” thread-- your mind is powerful. I’m not a new age granola tree spirit worshipper by any means, but no one is ever going to convince me that the mind can’t influence that body (think healing, health, etc).
I am a cynic at heart and a show-me-facts type of scientist. Having said that I would never discredit the power of the mind. I hate all the med students that poo-poo on the power of prayer and even though I’m not a religious man I truly believe that the mind, faith and good spirits can cause some miraculous turn arounds.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
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Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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man you look good, no homo, not that there is anything wrong with that though,
i would be happy with the level of leanness you have in that pic. my wife would too 
[quote]setto222 wrote:
I am a cynic at heart and a show-me-facts type of scientist. Having said that I would never discredit the power of the mind. I hate all the med students that poo-poo on the power of prayer and even though I’m not a religious man I truly believe that the mind, faith and good spirits can cause some miraculous turn arounds. [/quote]
lolwut
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
I am a cynic at heart and a show-me-facts type of scientist. Having said that I would never discredit the power of the mind. I hate all the med students that poo-poo on the power of prayer and even though I’m not a religious man I truly believe that the mind, faith and good spirits can cause some miraculous turn arounds. [/quote]
lolwut
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Everything you learn is useless Harry. You should have gone to preaching school, that way you could really help people.
[quote]samoth2 wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
I am a cynic at heart and a show-me-facts type of scientist. Having said that I would never discredit the power of the mind. I hate all the med students that poo-poo on the power of prayer and even though I’m not a religious man I truly believe that the mind, faith and good spirits can cause some miraculous turn arounds. [/quote]
lolwut
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Everything you learn is useless Harry. You should have gone to preaching school, that way you could really help people.[/quote]
brb quitting med school and joining the papacy
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
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Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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This should go in the old dudes who are still jacked thread. Being deserving of that thread is my new life goal.[/quote]
my thoughts exactly. Blucollar is my new hero.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
BCT: I recall you saying you dieted down with both very high carb diets and ketogenic diets. Which approach did you like better and/or get better results with. Who do you advise follow either approach–say a ketogenic for an endomorph and a high carb approach for a meso or ecto? Did you experience significant muscle loss on keto? What about your cardio approach?[/quote]
My first experiance was with the high carb/low fat approach[30/60/10]. This approach usually ends with an abrupt withdrawl of starches & daily calories for a set period, followed by water manipulation and aggressive re-feeds. IMO…this approach requires the greatest amount cardio work, allows the least margin for error, is physiologically challanging, and always seemed to result in a significant amount of muscle loss.
I played around with keto for several months after reading Bodyopus by Duchaine. He describes it as an extreme approach for use when other methods are not effective and I agree. I did get much leaner and didn’t see the muscle loss like on the high carb diets, but performance was just as inconsistant and the flucuations in my energy levels was a major issue. I must confess that I never really felt like I had ‘command’ over the keto method, perhaps it was just to drastic a change from the the prior routines.
I now consider these to be the ‘bookends’ of bodycomp manipulation approaches and would only suggest them under specific circumstances [significant weight-loss in a short period of time or less aggressive methods are ineffective].As you are aware; it is difficult to generalize advise. I usually like a fairly balanced approach 30/40/30 for beinner to intermediate lifters with a gradual reduction in portion size [ex. from 8oz of ground beef to 6oz, to 4oz]Compliance is key…simple = compliance.
I do now and always have performed cardio year round. During surplus periods I do a minumum of 20 minutes prior to my training. When I begin a deficit I add 2 minutes to each session for two weeks, then 2 minutes to that for two weeks, and so on, up to a maximum of 30 minutes. I gradually double the Sunday walk in the park w/the dogs from 1.5 to 3 miles. I do other things to slightly increase the energy debt…adding ab work, jumping jacks/rope to the training, etc.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…hard to imagine that the way im looking now. i am trying not to be discouraged.
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Stay positive! I know it’s often easier said than done.
IMO…if a certain level of leanness is the GOAL; you are going to need to find a way to consider scale weight a secondary concern for the time being. I don’t know how lean you are ‘shooting’ for but,…this is what I look like at 224lbs.[my top winter weight] I will need to loose between 20-25 lbs from this point to reach my summer look. We are both senior lifters and it is certainly a bit tougher under our circumstance, however, a man that has a past littered with your accomplishments and competitive drive has faced down larger challenges! There is part of you that is made for shit just like this…
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Really would like to know your diet for your “summer look”[/quote]
I will provide a detailed response in the BlueCollar: How Do You Tr8n thread as soon as I get the chance.
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]samoth2 wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
I am a cynic at heart and a show-me-facts type of scientist. Having said that I would never discredit the power of the mind. I hate all the med students that poo-poo on the power of prayer and even though I’m not a religious man I truly believe that the mind, faith and good spirits can cause some miraculous turn arounds. [/quote]
lolwut
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Everything you learn is useless Harry. You should have gone to preaching school, that way you could really help people.[/quote]
brb quitting med school and joining the papacy
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lolol one of my friends did that a week before matriculating. His goal is to do both so that he can better help people. If he actually follows through, he’ll be in his 40s before he starts practicing.