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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

I think this is where the main disagreement here is. We all agree that there are times when putting on a little extra fat is necessarry to gain muscle. But for someone natty of average height with physique oriented goals (big and lean) there is no reason to get to 300 lbs. You could hold the “set point” of 300 pounds as long as you like, you would still be extremely lucky to get down to 200lbs 10% or less.

why would anyone with a goal of being really big and really lean want to put themselves in a situation where they have to lose 100 POUNDS to reach that goal?[/quote]

I am sorry, but who is telling people to hit 300lbs?

I simply stated what I have done in the past. Why do you think this means anyone else should reach 300lbs?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Just think of all the chickens… Really. How many chickens have died in order for you to build muscle, thousands? How many lives have you ended in your quest for muscle growth? Being fat means those chickens died in vain. They died so you can have bigger muscles but nobody can see them… dont let their sacrifice be for not…

Fuck the pigs though. They deserved it. [/quote]

Dude, who the hell bulks on chicken breasts?

Fried chicken, maybe…but chicken breasts? The “contest prep” crowd is who is killing the poor defenseless chickens.

The bulk crowd is ridding the world of those evil terrorist cows.

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People, it’s the fucking internet. It’s literally not even 10:30 in the morning and y’all are still arguing about the same shit that’s been going on forever. Go out, live a real life, focus on work, or school, read a book, play chess, shit, do anything other than this. PX is NEVER going to change his mind or apologize, so let him have this place. It’s obviously his only social outlet. He’ll be yelling at his computer screen long after everyone here has left, I promise.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
PX is NEVER going to change his mind or apologize,[/quote]

What am I supposed to be apologizing for? You just spent a whole thread throwing insults at me but I need to apologize?

Is this real life?

Nope…it is internet land where I am sure this is the most power you get to express all day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:
For what it’s worth, one of my biggest regrets in life (apart from not sleeping with an Asian swimsuit model when I was 21, cause I had a girlfriend), is not having sucked it up and spent 5 good years bulking.

I always tried to stay “fairly lean”, which I realize now is “fairly small” if you don’t already have a good base.

Of course, today at 40 I’m not sure how much my joints would like being 240 (they already ache at 220) but I’d still liked to have found out.

I could still bulk up now of course, but life changes, priorities change…but maybe next fall. Who knows! [/quote]

I hear this from a lot of guys…that is why it makes me wonder why so many now believe they have so long to build all of that muscle.

Your body recovers faster under the age of 35 (for most people). That includes tendons as well (which can recover up to 4 times slower the older you get) which alone can limit how fast your recover and how fast you grow from what you do in the gym.

I came here to discuss that…but as you can see, I can’t because I get shouted down by the same people each and every time I respond at all about anything…[/quote]

Best Whiny Ass “Poor Me I Am Such An Innocent Victim In All This” Post

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Just think of all the chickens… Really. How many chickens have died in order for you to build muscle, thousands? How many lives have you ended in your quest for muscle growth? Being fat means those chickens died in vain. They died so you can have bigger muscles but nobody can see them… dont let their sacrifice be for not…

Fuck the pigs though. They deserved it. [/quote]

Dude, who the hell bulks on chicken breasts?

Fried chicken, maybe…but chicken breasts? The “contest prep” crowd is who is killing the poor defenseless chickens.

The bulk crowd is ridding the world of those evil terrorist cows.[/quote]

I have an electric kitchen top rotisserie at home. Whole chickens are great bulking food.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Best Whiny Ass “Poor Me I Am Such An Innocent Victim In All This” Post[/quote]

I am sorry, but who is telling people to hit 300lbs?

I simply stated what I have done in the past. Why do you think this means anyone else should reach 300lbs?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
PX is NEVER going to change his mind or apologize, [/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
You know, after people started saying that the body builds muscle more efficiently in a leaner state?
[/quote]

Do me a favor, give your usual “follow me around and yelp” thing a rest for a second and look at what you just wrote.

Look at it.

I came into a thread and said, “where is the evidence that small body fat changes alone somehow effect insulin sensitivity outside of any other factors and EXCLUDING obesity in people who train regularly”.

That is how science works…people ask questions or else people still believe in magic.

No one has provided any proof that the statement or question is invalid.

You are upset because I want to find the truth and not just fall in line and believe what the “group” does?[/quote]

Read the post again, the WHOLE POST, and address what was actually written.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

I think this is where the main disagreement here is. We all agree that there are times when putting on a little extra fat is necessarry to gain muscle. But for someone natty of average height with physique oriented goals (big and lean) there is no reason to get to 300 lbs. You could hold the “set point” of 300 pounds as long as you like, you would still be extremely lucky to get down to 200lbs 10% or less.

why would anyone with a goal of being really big and really lean want to put themselves in a situation where they have to lose 100 POUNDS to reach that goal?[/quote]

I am sorry, but who is telling people to hit 300lbs?

I simply stated what I have done in the past. Why do you think this means anyone else should reach 300lbs?

[/quote]

I am simply saying people with the goal of really big and really lean should not do what you did. I guess we agree.

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Imagine that…a good conversation going on for almost 3 pages and then BAM…back to the shit storm.

Wonder what changed?

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, what’s my bodyfat? How many weeks out am I?

Bulk or cut?

Am I holding back my progress being too lean?

Trololol…[/quote]
You’re around 35% bf. Probably only a week or two out of contest shape if you start eating only hot pockets.

You definitely need to bulk though.

You’re destroying your progress. What you need to do is start eating pizza until you’re around 240, then immediately go to the gym and bench over 4 plates. Then you’ll be strong again.

You’re welcome.[/quote]

What should my hamburger per hour ratio be?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
PX is NEVER going to change his mind or apologize,[/quote]

What am I supposed to be apologizing for? You just spent a whole thread throwing insults at me but I need to apologize?

Is this real life?

Nope…it is internet land where I am sure this is the most power you get to express all day.[/quote]

Good God. I honestly can’t tell if you’re truly delusional, a troll, have massive self esteem issues of some combination of the three. I didn’t spend a whole thread throwing insults at you. I actually never insulted you one time. I made observations based off of opinions that are shared by quite a few. Your ability to distort what is written and see what you want is mind boggling.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
You know, after people started saying that the body builds muscle more efficiently in a leaner state?
[/quote]

Do me a favor, give your usual “follow me around and yelp” thing a rest for a second and look at what you just wrote.

Look at it.

I came into a thread and said, “where is the evidence that small body fat changes alone somehow effect insulin sensitivity outside of any other factors and EXCLUDING obesity in people who train regularly”.

That is how science works…people ask questions or else people still believe in magic.

No one has provided any proof that the statement or question is invalid.

You are upset because I want to find the truth and not just fall in line and believe what the “group” does?[/quote]

Read the post again, the WHOLE POST, and address what was actually written. [/quote]

I am addressing what matters. I honestly do not care who you don’t like or why. You made a statement that I was arguing against your comment that your body is more efficient in a leaner state.

I gave you why that was questioned. That reason has nothing to do with my progress alone or me being so swole or trying to impose any power over you.

You seem to lose your steam if you can’t focus on me alone.

Can you focus on the facts for a second and find me proof that a trained individual with good conditioning will see “less efficiency” is they are simply carrying a few extra pound of body fat?

In fact, I would like to see one post from you where you actually didn’t just focus on me but actually tried to focus on the actual topic.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

I think this is where the main disagreement here is. We all agree that there are times when putting on a little extra fat is necessarry to gain muscle. But for someone natty of average height with physique oriented goals (big and lean) there is no reason to get to 300 lbs. You could hold the “set point” of 300 pounds as long as you like, you would still be extremely lucky to get down to 200lbs 10% or less.

why would anyone with a goal of being really big and really lean want to put themselves in a situation where they have to lose 100 POUNDS to reach that goal?[/quote]

I am sorry, but who is telling people to hit 300lbs?

I simply stated what I have done in the past. Why do you think this means anyone else should reach 300lbs?

[/quote]

I am simply saying people with the goal of really big and really lean should not do what you did. I guess we agree.[/quote]

?? What I did was bulk up while I was gaining muscle. At 300lbs I was not some flabby looking obese guy. I looked like a powerlifter. What I did worked for me. Why would I not tell people to bulk up using their muscle mass gained as a guide to the extent while keeping body fat from getting out of control?

If I was “out of control” as far as body fat, there is no way in hell I could have lost most of it in only THREE MONTHS.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Good God. I honestly can’t tell if you’re truly delusional, a troll, have massive self esteem issues of some combination of the three.[/quote]

I find the passive aggressive insults the funniest…but of course, you don’t insult anyone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
You know, after people started saying that the body builds muscle more efficiently in a leaner state?
[/quote]

Do me a favor, give your usual “follow me around and yelp” thing a rest for a second and look at what you just wrote.

Look at it.

I came into a thread and said, “where is the evidence that small body fat changes alone somehow effect insulin sensitivity outside of any other factors and EXCLUDING obesity in people who train regularly”.

That is how science works…people ask questions or else people still believe in magic.

No one has provided any proof that the statement or question is invalid.

You are upset because I want to find the truth and not just fall in line and believe what the “group” does?[/quote]

Read the post again, the WHOLE POST, and address what was actually written. [/quote]

I am addressing what matters. I honestly do not care who you don’t like or why. You made a statement that I was arguing against your comment that your body is more efficient in a leaner state.

I gave you why that was questioned. That reason has nothing to do with my progress alone or me being so swole or trying to impose any power over you.

You seem to lose your steam if you can’t focus on me alone.

Can you focus on the facts for a second and find me proof that a trained individual with good conditioning will see “less efficiency” is they are simply carrying a few extra pound of body fat?

In fact, I would like to see one post from you where you actually didn’t just focus on me but actually tried to focus on the actual topic.[/quote]

Wow. Constantly reframing it…

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I think that sometimes people forget that old school bodybuilders all bulked up as youths, some even getting downright fat, and continued to include bulk up periods during the off-season.

The whole “stay lean all year” thing is a relatively new phenomena, and is a necessary evil just for guys who make money off of being lean and near-camera ready.

Not saying there isn’t a point where fat gets out of hand – it does – but these “4 week bulk/4 week cut” anal retentive things are not ideal for the majority of guys, fitness models and actors notwithstanding.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

Wow. Constantly reframing it…[/quote]

Does this mean you can’t do it? You can’t respond on a level above just throwing more insults at me?

Why not respond to the topic? I just really want to see if you have it in you. I want to see if your knowledge runs as deep as your discontent.

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PX you have gained a reputation here as someone loathe to admit to making mistakes but you posted elsewhere that there has been a lot of trial and error in your lifting career. Would you care to elucidate on some of the mistakes you made in your methodology? BTW this isnt a pop at anything only you have in the past acknowledged errors as in trial and error and I was curious as to what they were