The Body Weight Factor 2

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sum of posts here:

This is “don’t care about abs” shape.
[photo]34868[/photo]

My guess is, most of the people here are in way better shape than this?[/quote]

Looks good to me – about 8 weeks from lean, 12-16 from very, very impressive.

A higher BF% is much more “acceptable” looking when its built on top of a lot of quality muscle.

Very good work X. [/quote]

8 weeks from “lean”? What do you consider “lean”?

It’s probably more like 4-5 weeks from being lean since Professor X has stated that right now he is heavier and leaner than in that picture.[/quote]

You’re going to split hairs over 3 weeks?

I consider “lean” at around sub-10% or so, depending on the guy. His obliques indicate he isn’t there yet.

If that is his off-season “fat” condition I’m impressed, and envious. [/quote]

good point, haha, no offense but hell, some people will argue anything on a chat board.

he is leaner in that pic than i am now, though for some reason i am more vascular in my limbs than he is(i am guessing about legs because of what i see from waist up) and i consider myself fairly lean for a bigger guy now(5-6 230lbs)

but it is relative, compared to what i was 3 years ago, most on this site are pretty lean. lol

why i am more vascular than many people i know who are obviously carrying less fat than me has always been a mystery to me, i even have veins showing in my fucking lats, but i still have love handles and man boobs.

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Fat storage is a highly individual thing, and is dependant on genetics, age, genetics, hormones, and genetics.

That’s why the more sites you use in your BF equation, the better.

Veins in the lats but man boobs screams estrogen dominance, love handles is likely carb intake.

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ugh. i wish you had not told me that. no wonder i am so moody, too much e!!!

my wife will like that, she says i suffer from too much testosterone.

i have had visible man boobs since i was a kid, and only when i am south of 200lbs do they go away.

my love handles, they are getting better, my wife noticed some lower abds with some veins down in my upper groin/hip tie in area(whatever you call that spot) while we were, um, you know, so that is encouraging, but my goal is to not be afraid to take my shirt off at pool this summer, and the thought of having to lose another 20 plus lbs to get rid of the moobs is daunting, i am hungry all the time now.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ugh. i wish you had not told me that. no wonder i am so moody, too much e!!!

my wife will like that, she says i suffer from too much testosterone.

i have had visible man boobs since i was a kid, and only when i am south of 200lbs do they go away.

my love handles, they are getting better, my wife noticed some lower abds with some veins down in my upper groin/hip tie in area(whatever you call that spot) while we were, um, you know, so that is encouraging, but my goal is to not be afraid to take my shirt off at pool this summer, and the thought of having to lose another 20 plus lbs to get rid of the moobs is daunting, i am hungry all the time now. [/quote]

It’s not just estrogen. The visible veins with body fat comes from getting your sumo on when you were younger. Those veins grew to feed your fat tissue, hence them being visible in the upper layers of you body fat.

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Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”?

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[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sum of posts here:

This is “don’t care about abs” shape.
[photo]34868[/photo]

My guess is, most of the people here are in way better shape than this?[/quote]

Looks good to me – about 8 weeks from lean, 12-16 from very, very impressive.

A higher BF% is much more “acceptable” looking when its built on top of a lot of quality muscle.

Very good work X. [/quote]

8 weeks from “lean”? What do you consider “lean”?

It’s probably more like 4-5 weeks from being lean since Professor X has stated that right now he is heavier and leaner than in that picture.[/quote]

You’re going to split hairs over 3 weeks?

I consider “lean” at around sub-10% or so, depending on the guy. His obliques indicate he isn’t there yet.

If that is his off-season “fat” condition I’m impressed, and envious. [/quote]

I was not splitting hairs. I was legitimately wondering what your definition of lean was and was saying that, based on what X has said regarding his current physique and it’s relation to the photo, that he would probably hit it sooner than you predicted.

I do not see why you thought my post was attacking you? I was asking a question and not splitting hairs.

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Mr Krahn,

Now that we have hopefully cleared things up I would like to ask a you a few questions if that is ok?

Admittedly, I am not extremely familiar with your writings or training philosophy so excuse me if some of my questions sound “noobish.”

Disclaimer
Without actual body fat percentages this is purely speculation based off of one photograph and Professor X’s stated body weight of 255
End Disclaimer

What would you guesstimate his BF% at? Would you say 15% is a fairly accurate assumption based off of that single photo?

What would be your strategy to get an experienced lifter like Professor X to go from 255 pounds with 15% BF down to 10% or less BF in 8 weeks?

Thank you in advance. If any of my numbers seem off to you please feel free to correct them.

Again, this is purely speculation.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”? [/quote]

He is below 25%. He’s not as fat as he looks, his midsection and abs are so developed it makes him look like a tank.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”? [/quote]

He is below 25%. He’s not as fat as he looks, his midsection and abs are so developed it makes him look like a tank.[/quote]

Can we please keep the trolling to a minimum?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ugh. i wish you had not told me that. no wonder i am so moody, too much e!!!

my wife will like that, she says i suffer from too much testosterone.

i have had visible man boobs since i was a kid, and only when i am south of 200lbs do they go away.

my love handles, they are getting better, my wife noticed some lower abds with some veins down in my upper groin/hip tie in area(whatever you call that spot) while we were, um, you know, so that is encouraging, but my goal is to not be afraid to take my shirt off at pool this summer, and the thought of having to lose another 20 plus lbs to get rid of the moobs is daunting, i am hungry all the time now. [/quote]

It’s not just estrogen. The visible veins with body fat comes from getting your sumo on when you were younger. Those veins grew to feed your fat tissue, hence them being visible in the upper layers of you body fat.
[/quote]

gonna have to disagree with you. veins do not feed anything. especially fat tissue, which has NO blood supply to speak of.

arteries feed tissue, veins cart off the waist products of cellular metabolism. one of the reason people who have big veins in certain areas is from the amount of work being done by that body part.

ie the fat mechanic, who has a huge beer gut and 27 chins, but has veiny forearms, because he is working hard 8 hours a day with his hands.

i know this stuff as one of my specialties in the health care field is advanced vascular access device placement and maintenance.

not trying to be a dick, just trying to share some knowledge. i learn new stuff every day, if i am lucky. some of it even on this board.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”? [/quote]

damn. this is not far from what i looked like at my biggest. sad. that guy is one of the strongest humans on the planet, damn he looks bad.

really not judging, donnie is a beast and a more accomplished athlete than i ever even could have hoped to be, but man he looks unhealthy, and so did i apparently.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”? [/quote]

damn. this is not far from what i looked like at my biggest. sad. that guy is one of the strongest humans on the planet, damn he looks bad.

really not judging, donnie is a beast and a more accomplished athlete than i ever even could have hoped to be, but man he looks unhealthy, and so did i apparently. [/quote]

I can’t discuss the top PLs like some of you guys, but I’ve been working with a current NFL player on his nutrition (I “tweaked” the diet that the strength coach/nutritionist sent him), and despite his body basically being a high performance machine, and the fact that he makes his living from how well he plays (and how large he is plays into that to some degree), he admitted to me that he’d prefer to look a bit better than he does.

This seems to fall in line with what HT mentions. Sure having the added weight can help you on your chosen pursuits (sports, professions etc), but deep down, we all would like to feel proud of how we look.

…and yes, I helped this particular individual keep his weight at 290 albeit with more LBM and less fat in the process :slight_smile:

S

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Mr Krahn,

Now that we have hopefully cleared things up I would like to ask a you a few questions if that is ok?

Admittedly, I am not extremely familiar with your writings or training philosophy so excuse me if some of my questions sound “noobish.”

Disclaimer
Without actual body fat percentages this is purely speculation based off of one photograph and Professor X’s stated body weight of 255
End Disclaimer

What would you guesstimate his BF% at? Would you say 15% is a fairly accurate assumption based off of that single photo?

What would be your strategy to get an experienced lifter like Professor X to go from 255 pounds with 15% BF down to 10% or less BF in 8 weeks?

Thank you in advance. If any of my numbers seem off to you please feel free to correct them.

Again, this is purely speculation.[/quote]

No need for apologizing or misters, we’re all friends here.

My guess would be 15-18%, but its a guess completely out of my arse – which is why these “guess my bodyfat” threads are so painful.

You really have no idea until you start pinching (or submerging, if using a bod-pod)

For him to get sub-10% in 8 weeks (this is my opinion) would require an aggressive, fairly low (lower than he’d like) carb intake with occasional refeeds. He would get more refeeds and more carbs in general as he tightened up.

Cause he is so big I would let all that muscle burn the fat, and keep his cardio to just walking, maybe light sled work.

Dietary fat and protein would be his friend. Also a very, very good candidate for Indigo 3G.

He’d be freaky if he decided to do it. Except for the calves of course. :wink:

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Perhaps we can take a look at some photographs of people with “semblance of abs” and realize that “semblance of abs” and “vascularity in the arms” and “separation in the quads” aren’t good measuring sticks of leanness?

Here’s a pic of Donnie Thompson with “semblance of abs”. Is he below 25% because he has “semblance of abs”? [/quote]

damn. this is not far from what i looked like at my biggest. sad. that guy is one of the strongest humans on the planet, damn he looks bad.

really not judging, donnie is a beast and a more accomplished athlete than i ever even could have hoped to be, but man he looks unhealthy, and so did i apparently. [/quote]

I can’t discuss the top PLs like some of you guys, but I’ve been working with a current NFL player on his nutrition (I “tweaked” the diet that the strength coach/nutritionist sent him), and despite his body basically being a high performance machine, and the fact that he makes his living from how well he plays (and how large he is plays into that to some degree), he admitted to me that he’d prefer to look a bit better than he does.

This seems to fall in line with what HT mentions. Sure having the added weight can help you on your chosen pursuits (sports, professions etc), but deep down, we all would like to feel proud of how we look.

…and yes, I helped this particular individual keep his weight at 290 albeit with more LBM and less fat in the process :slight_smile:

S[/quote]

exactly stu. though you could not have told me that in my 20’s. we all go through this journey our own way.

my wife has always been supportive of me, and proud of my athletic accomplishments, and always told me she loved that i am “big and strong”

but…

now that i am getting definition in my arms and shoulders and my waist is trimming up, and some abds are coming out, to her embarrassment, she likes it, especially during our intimate times, i can tell my appearance these days enhances her experience.

that may seem somewhat pandering to some here, but to me, being attractive to my chosen mate is important to me.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ugh. i wish you had not told me that. no wonder i am so moody, too much e!!!

my wife will like that, she says i suffer from too much testosterone.

i have had visible man boobs since i was a kid, and only when i am south of 200lbs do they go away.

my love handles, they are getting better, my wife noticed some lower abds with some veins down in my upper groin/hip tie in area(whatever you call that spot) while we were, um, you know, so that is encouraging, but my goal is to not be afraid to take my shirt off at pool this summer, and the thought of having to lose another 20 plus lbs to get rid of the moobs is daunting, i am hungry all the time now. [/quote]

It’s not just estrogen. The visible veins with body fat comes from getting your sumo on when you were younger. Those veins grew to feed your fat tissue, hence them being visible in the upper layers of you body fat.
[/quote]

gonna have to disagree with you. veins do not feed anything. especially fat tissue, which has NO blood supply to speak of.

arteries feed tissue, veins cart off the waist products of cellular metabolism. one of the reason people who have big veins in certain areas is from the amount of work being done by that body part.

ie the fat mechanic, who has a huge beer gut and 27 chins, but has veiny forearms, because he is working hard 8 hours a day with his hands.

i know this stuff as one of my specialties in the health care field is advanced vascular access device placement and maintenance.

not trying to be a dick, just trying to share some knowledge. i learn new stuff every day, if i am lucky. some of it even on this board. [/quote]

Fat cells secrete paracrine factors that promote angiogenesis. This is how newly formed fatty tissue develops its blood supply and drainage. And I didn’t take your comment as dick ish at all. My choice of words was poor, veins do not feed fat tissue, but they do drain off its waste.

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[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Mr Krahn,

Now that we have hopefully cleared things up I would like to ask a you a few questions if that is ok?

Admittedly, I am not extremely familiar with your writings or training philosophy so excuse me if some of my questions sound “noobish.”

Disclaimer
Without actual body fat percentages this is purely speculation based off of one photograph and Professor X’s stated body weight of 255
End Disclaimer

What would you guesstimate his BF% at? Would you say 15% is a fairly accurate assumption based off of that single photo?

What would be your strategy to get an experienced lifter like Professor X to go from 255 pounds with 15% BF down to 10% or less BF in 8 weeks?

Thank you in advance. If any of my numbers seem off to you please feel free to correct them.

Again, this is purely speculation.[/quote]

No need for apologizing or misters, we’re all friends here.

My guess would be 15-18%, but its a guess completely out of my arse – which is why these “guess my bodyfat” threads are so painful.

You really have no idea until you start pinching (or submerging, if using a bod-pod)

For him to get sub-10% in 8 weeks (this is my opinion) would require an aggressive, fairly low (lower than he’d like) carb intake with occasional refeeds. He would get more refeeds and more carbs in general as he tightened up.

Cause he is so big I would let all that muscle burn the fat, and keep his cardio to just walking, maybe light sled work.

Dietary fat and protein would be his friend. Also a very, very good candidate for Indigo 3G.

He’d be freaky if he decided to do it. Except for the calves of course. :wink:
[/quote]

If we use your guesstimation of 15-18% and go with the benefit of the doubt and say 15%, that would mean Professor is carrying roughly 217 pounds of lean body mass. Hypothetically speaking of course.

Dieting down from those hypothetical guesstimated stats to 10% (or less) would be roughly 240 pounds? Assuming there was no lean body mass lost in the process.

240 pounds @ 10% body fat would look very impressive. I agree, it would be “freaky” on a 5’10-5’11 frame (which IIRC is Professor X’s height?)

Do you think that a roughly 2 pound pure fat loss per week for 8 weeks straight is an achievable goal for an intermediate to advanced lifter like Professor X?

Thank you for your helpful insight, hypothetically speaking of course :wink:

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Mr Krahn,

Now that we have hopefully cleared things up I would like to ask a you a few questions if that is ok?

Admittedly, I am not extremely familiar with your writings or training philosophy so excuse me if some of my questions sound “noobish.”

Disclaimer
Without actual body fat percentages this is purely speculation based off of one photograph and Professor X’s stated body weight of 255
End Disclaimer

What would you guesstimate his BF% at? Would you say 15% is a fairly accurate assumption based off of that single photo?

What would be your strategy to get an experienced lifter like Professor X to go from 255 pounds with 15% BF down to 10% or less BF in 8 weeks?

Thank you in advance. If any of my numbers seem off to you please feel free to correct them.

Again, this is purely speculation.[/quote]

No need for apologizing or misters, we’re all friends here.

My guess would be 15-18%, but its a guess completely out of my arse – which is why these “guess my bodyfat” threads are so painful.

You really have no idea until you start pinching (or submerging, if using a bod-pod)

For him to get sub-10% in 8 weeks (this is my opinion) would require an aggressive, fairly low (lower than he’d like) carb intake with occasional refeeds. He would get more refeeds and more carbs in general as he tightened up.

Cause he is so big I would let all that muscle burn the fat, and keep his cardio to just walking, maybe light sled work.

Dietary fat and protein would be his friend. Also a very, very good candidate for Indigo 3G.

He’d be freaky if he decided to do it. Except for the calves of course. :wink:
[/quote]

If we use your guesstimation of 15-18% and go with the benefit of the doubt and say 15%, that would mean Professor is carrying roughly 217 pounds of lean body mass. Hypothetically speaking of course.

Dieting down from those hypothetical guesstimated stats to 10% (or less) would be roughly 240 pounds? Assuming there was no lean body mass lost in the process.

240 pounds @ 10% body fat would look very impressive. I agree, it would be “freaky” on a 5’10-5’11 frame (which IIRC is Professor X’s height?)

Do you think that a roughly 2 pound pure fat loss per week for 8 weeks straight is an achievable goal for an intermediate to advanced lifter like Professor X?

Thank you for your helpful insight, hypothetically speaking of course ;)[/quote]

No way PX can diet to an actual 240 lbs 10% bodyfat natural. I will have to see it to believe it. 10 % is abs and serratus showing with definition in the legs etc. and not too far off from contest condition. Sorry.

I am not trying to shit on Professor X here believe me. He has built a solid physique for the most part. But 240 10% would blow pretty much every natty bber ever at his height out of the water.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sum of posts here:

This is “don’t care about abs” shape.
[photo]34868[/photo]

My guess is, most of the people here are in way better shape than this?[/quote]

yes, this is pathetic

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Bryan Krahn wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Mr Krahn,

Now that we have hopefully cleared things up I would like to ask a you a few questions if that is ok?

Admittedly, I am not extremely familiar with your writings or training philosophy so excuse me if some of my questions sound “noobish.”

Disclaimer
Without actual body fat percentages this is purely speculation based off of one photograph and Professor X’s stated body weight of 255
End Disclaimer

What would you guesstimate his BF% at? Would you say 15% is a fairly accurate assumption based off of that single photo?

What would be your strategy to get an experienced lifter like Professor X to go from 255 pounds with 15% BF down to 10% or less BF in 8 weeks?

Thank you in advance. If any of my numbers seem off to you please feel free to correct them.

Again, this is purely speculation.[/quote]

No need for apologizing or misters, we’re all friends here.

My guess would be 15-18%, but its a guess completely out of my arse – which is why these “guess my bodyfat” threads are so painful.

You really have no idea until you start pinching (or submerging, if using a bod-pod)

For him to get sub-10% in 8 weeks (this is my opinion) would require an aggressive, fairly low (lower than he’d like) carb intake with occasional refeeds. He would get more refeeds and more carbs in general as he tightened up.

Cause he is so big I would let all that muscle burn the fat, and keep his cardio to just walking, maybe light sled work.

Dietary fat and protein would be his friend. Also a very, very good candidate for Indigo 3G.

He’d be freaky if he decided to do it. Except for the calves of course. :wink:
[/quote]

If we use your guesstimation of 15-18% and go with the benefit of the doubt and say 15%, that would mean Professor is carrying roughly 217 pounds of lean body mass. Hypothetically speaking of course.

Dieting down from those hypothetical guesstimated stats to 10% (or less) would be roughly 240 pounds? Assuming there was no lean body mass lost in the process.

240 pounds @ 10% body fat would look very impressive. I agree, it would be “freaky” on a 5’10-5’11 frame (which IIRC is Professor X’s height?)

Do you think that a roughly 2 pound pure fat loss per week for 8 weeks straight is an achievable goal for an intermediate to advanced lifter like Professor X?

Thank you for your helpful insight, hypothetically speaking of course ;)[/quote]

No way PX can diet to an actual 240 lbs 10% bodyfat natural. I will have to see it to believe it. 10 % is abs and serratus showing with definition in the legs etc. and not too far off from contest condition. Sorry.

I am not trying to shit on Professor X here believe me. He has built a solid physique for the most part. But 240 10% would blow pretty much every natty bber ever at his height out of the water. [/quote]

yerp. this would be “Arnold” like size achieved by a natty lol.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I’ve never said that…the only thing that irritated me was the pounding on people who gained in a leaner state…as if they were stupid.

Or “not optimal”
[/quote]
Well you can’t argue with results I always say. If I see someone who is jacked tell me that they’ve never lost their 6-pack and I see someone who is jacked tell me they used to be the world truffle shuffle champion, at the end of the day, they both won, and they’re both jacked.

You can argue X’s approach wasn’t optimal and I guess he can argue the opposite isn’t optimal, but I was seeing people use the argument that X was fat as a reason for his approach not working despite the fact that he is no longer fat, and maybe he has an inflated sense of how much muscle he is carrying, but regardless it’s still a lot of muscle.[/quote]

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PX I dont think there is any point in asking people to post their pics to be judged because afterall they may just adopt your stance which is a one of not accepting any judgement you deem is not favourable. So whats the point?