The Body Weight Factor 2

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

-I 100% agree with you that adding a bit of fat while adding muscle is a very productive and somewhat simpler/fool proof way to add strength and size to a subject.
-I agree that if gaining all-out size is the main goal of a subject who doesn’t have interest in current trends in fitness or body-image then adding a bit of fat in a health controlled manner is not only acceptable but recommended. [/quote]

But, I don’t even agree completely with what you wrote here. You make it seem like someone who understands some fat may be gained has no interest in body image. “Body image” is SUBJECTIVE. We see it all of the time here. Guys who are super skinny and think they are really big.

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…and guys who are carrying way more fat than they’ll admit thinking they’re the T-Nation swole patrol…
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I’m carrying more fat than I am willing to admit?

Is this all you have to offer? My pic is right there. What fat am I not willing to admit?

According to Brick that is “25% body fat”.[/quote]

I have no idea what your true bf% is, but his guess is probably pretty accurate. You have your shorts under your shorts hiked up to blunt the visual impact of your love handles, there’s very little definition to be seen anywhere, and your face literally has fat hanging off of it. Look at your cheeks and eyelids. You’ve obviously got mass on you, but you are also carrying a lot of fat on you too.[/quote]

Bullshit, in that picture he’s no more than 15%. You can’t see even a hint of abs above that.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
…i care not to break it down, but when these X and few friends vs the masses erupt, it just to me seems more like a arguement about how great he thinks he is.

X: whaaaaaaaat!!! how dare you think i am not totally awesome!!!

everybody else: “uh, no, your not”

X: “you clearly are either stupid or immature or insane if you cant see how totally awesome i am, run along now boy”
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LOL

heavythrower FTW

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

I have no idea what your true bf% is, but his guess is probably pretty accurate. You have your shorts under your shorts hiked up to blunt the visual impact of your love handles, there’s very little definition to be seen anywhere, and your face literally has fat hanging off of it. Look at your cheeks and eyelids. You’ve obviously got mass on you, but you are also carrying a lot of fat on you too.[/quote]

Please post picture of yourself showing much better growth and leanness.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Discrediting? Yes. Rude? No. Maybe passive aggressive, but considering the other poster noticed the same thing, you don’t think that maybe it can be seen that way? [/quote]

Discredit? Nope, I acknowledge when people have built impressive amounts of size. You get the tip of the hat from me as well as many others on here (that’s how it’s done right? I pay you a compliment and you give me the ‘good post’ reply?)

Actually, the other poster (Marshaldteach) understood what I said, when I explained why I referenced the particular accomplishments that I did for specific people. He apologized, we chuckled, and I have no issue with him.

This was a good post. I didn’t see a response to it.[/quote]

And you never shall.[/quote]

wow. that was one of the single best and POLITE internet total smackdowns i have ever seen. it is so full of truth that it is silly.

x should just leave the site, no whatamisaying?? please stay, it is too entertaining having you here. carry on sir!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

You like saying that, he said you were 25%+ when you were 300lbs.
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I actually never said what my bf% was at 300lbs. Please quote where I wrote that or refrain from making things up.

Beyond that, no one is telling people to get as heavy as I did…so what is your goal with this?

All the pics shown are way more recent than when I weighed that much in the military over 5 years ago…so why act like that was the end goal?[/quote]

I could give a shit if you want to bulk or stay lean, not one shit…I was just pointing out another bloviate moment you were sharing with the team.

Carry on.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

-I 100% agree with you that adding a bit of fat while adding muscle is a very productive and somewhat simpler/fool proof way to add strength and size to a subject.
-I agree that if gaining all-out size is the main goal of a subject who doesn’t have interest in current trends in fitness or body-image then adding a bit of fat in a health controlled manner is not only acceptable but recommended. [/quote]

But, I don’t even agree completely with what you wrote here. You make it seem like someone who understands some fat may be gained has no interest in body image. “Body image” is SUBJECTIVE. We see it all of the time here. Guys who are super skinny and think they are really big.

Bodybuilding is all about body image…and the goals of the individual with that image.

It is simply understood that in interest of the long term goal, you don’t always get there looking like a fitness model the whole way without short changing your overall gains.[/quote]

LoL I can’t even agree with you correctly. I’m sorry but I lost patience in this debate the moment you linked someones personal development with their scientific knowledge. How many looks do you get as being the very large surgeon? I can imagine some people have trouble taking you seriously in your field based on your size/looks so why would you do the same in the exercise science field?

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Bullshit, in that picture he’s no more than 15%. You can’t see even a hint of abs above that.
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They add up to 10% body fat or more depending on the magical “no one can gain more than this” limit.

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

-I 100% agree with you that adding a bit of fat while adding muscle is a very productive and somewhat simpler/fool proof way to add strength and size to a subject.
-I agree that if gaining all-out size is the main goal of a subject who doesn’t have interest in current trends in fitness or body-image then adding a bit of fat in a health controlled manner is not only acceptable but recommended. [/quote]

But, I don’t even agree completely with what you wrote here. You make it seem like someone who understands some fat may be gained has no interest in body image. “Body image” is SUBJECTIVE. We see it all of the time here. Guys who are super skinny and think they are really big.

Bodybuilding is all about body image…and the goals of the individual with that image.

It is simply understood that in interest of the long term goal, you don’t always get there looking like a fitness model the whole way without short changing your overall gains.[/quote]

LoL I can’t even agree with you correctly. I’m sorry but I lost patience in this debate the moment you linked someones personal development with their scientific knowledge. How many looks do you get as being the very large surgeon? I can imagine some people have trouble taking you seriously in your field based on your size/looks so why would you do the same in the exercise science field? [/quote]

People do things like this when they can no longer support their argument at all…it turns to personal insults.

You were just given clarification as to what my stance is…and now you move to the insults.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Bullshit, in that picture he’s no more than 15%. You can’t see even a hint of abs above that.
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They add up to 10% body fat or more depending on the magical “no one can gain more than this” limit.[/quote]

The only way you could be 25% in that picture is if you had a Beyonce style booty hidden at the back.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
LOL at even insinuating that pic illustrates how you’ve looked all along.

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Wait…so when Colucci wrote that with extreme goals, it is understood you may not look ideal the whole way through…why didn’t you raise an issue with it?[/quote]

You are trying WAY to hard here.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Bullshit, in that picture he’s no more than 15%. You can’t see even a hint of abs above that.
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They add up to 10% body fat or more depending on the magical “no one can gain more than this” limit.[/quote]

The only way you could be 25% in that picture is if you had a Beyonce style booty hidden at the back.
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Hey, when I said that, I got a 50 age thread devolving into nonsense about how obese I am.

Glad to see everyone isn’t falling for it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

You like saying that, he said you were 25%+ when you were 300lbs.
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I actually never said what my bf% was at 300lbs. Please quote where I wrote that or refrain from making things up.

Beyond that, no one is telling people to get as heavy as I did…so what is your goal with this?

All the pics shown are way more recent than when I weighed that much in the military over 5 years ago…so why act like that was the end goal?[/quote]

Brick said it, not you.

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
LOL at even insinuating that pic illustrates how you’ve looked all along.

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Wait…so when Colucci wrote that with extreme goals, it is understood you may not look ideal the whole way through…why didn’t you raise an issue with it?[/quote]

You are trying WAY to hard here.[/quote]

Actually, no, I am not. That was why I started this thread and is the very first post in it…to make that clear.

Somehow, even with that much emphasis, you missed it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

I have no idea what your true bf% is, but his guess is probably pretty accurate. You have your shorts under your shorts hiked up to blunt the visual impact of your love handles, there’s very little definition to be seen anywhere, and your face literally has fat hanging off of it. Look at your cheeks and eyelids. You’ve obviously got mass on you, but you are also carrying a lot of fat on you too.[/quote]

Please post picture of yourself showing much better growth and leanness.[/quote]

I’m NOWHERE near your size, but I walk around with clearly visible, protruding veins in my arms, shoulders, chest and abs. I’m also only 175lbs, so to you I’m probably small and skinny. I’m ok with that. Again, you’re a big dude. Have no idea what you weigh or what your bf% is, nor do I care. And, if you’re happy (or content or whatever) with your current progress, neither should you. I was just making an observation that is in line with that of some posters here.

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

-I 100% agree with you that adding a bit of fat while adding muscle is a very productive and somewhat simpler/fool proof way to add strength and size to a subject.
-I agree that if gaining all-out size is the main goal of a subject who doesn’t have interest in current trends in fitness or body-image then adding a bit of fat in a health controlled manner is not only acceptable but recommended. [/quote]

But, I don’t even agree completely with what you wrote here. You make it seem like someone who understands some fat may be gained has no interest in body image. “Body image” is SUBJECTIVE. We see it all of the time here. Guys who are super skinny and think they are really big.

Bodybuilding is all about body image…and the goals of the individual with that image.

It is simply understood that in interest of the long term goal, you don’t always get there looking like a fitness model the whole way without short changing your overall gains.[/quote]

LoL I can’t even agree with you correctly. I’m sorry but I lost patience in this debate the moment you linked someones personal development with their scientific knowledge. How many looks do you get as being the very large surgeon? I can imagine some people have trouble taking you seriously in your field based on your size/looks so why would you do the same in the exercise science field? [/quote]

People with more lean body mass have ideas that carry more weight…

Cha-Ching!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

Bullshit, in that picture he’s no more than 15%. You can’t see even a hint of abs above that.
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They add up to 10% body fat or more depending on the magical “no one can gain more than this” limit.[/quote]

The only way you could be 25% in that picture is if you had a Beyonce style booty hidden at the back.
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Hey, when I said that, I got a 50 page thread devolving into nonsense about how obese I am.

Glad to see everyone isn’t falling for it.[/quote]

Oh man, same old crap.

I can’t help but laugh at more made up terms like “abs coming in” to go along with “full house” but if you never actually get your BF measured all you can go off of is made up terms like “full house”, “abs be damned” and “abs coming in” and measuring your conditioning level with “ride my bike uphill” without getting winded.

I am also not surprised at the lack of a response to The Might Stu’s well put together post.

The downward spiral continues.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

I have no idea what your true bf% is, but his guess is probably pretty accurate. You have your shorts under your shorts hiked up to blunt the visual impact of your love handles, there’s very little definition to be seen anywhere, and your face literally has fat hanging off of it. Look at your cheeks and eyelids. You’ve obviously got mass on you, but you are also carrying a lot of fat on you too.[/quote]

Please post picture of yourself showing much better growth and leanness.[/quote]

I’m NOWHERE near your size, but I walk around with clearly visible, protruding veins in my arms, shoulders, chest and abs. I’m also only 175lbs, so to you I’m probably small and skinny. I’m ok with that. Again, you’re a big dude. Have no idea what you weigh or what your bf% is, nor do I care. And, if you’re happy (or content or whatever) with your current progress, neither should you. I was just making an observation that is in line with that of some posters here.[/quote]

I asked for a picture.

For man with this much criticism for me in him, why not put yourself out there to be judged?

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Discrediting? Yes. Rude? No. Maybe passive aggressive, but considering the other poster noticed the same thing, you don’t think that maybe it can be seen that way? [/quote]

Discredit? Nope, I acknowledge when people have built impressive amounts of size. You get the tip of the hat from me as well as many others on here (that’s how it’s done right? I pay you a compliment and you give me the ‘good post’ reply?)

Actually, the other poster (Marshaldteach) understood what I said, when I explained why I referenced the particular accomplishments that I did for specific people. He apologized, we chuckled, and I have no issue with him.

X do you have Stu on ignore, or did you not care to respond to his most eloquent post?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
even though i tend to agree with not worrying about your hawt abdz so much when you are trying to get bigger and stronger, especially if you are a “skinnier” bodytype,

i feel that some people will end up looking like me when i was a young guy than the “full house” look X is talking about if they eat to excess like I did.

i seriously doubt most people here would want that. [/quote]
Hmm…

Would I get your strength levels as well? Because if so I would make that deal in a heartbeat. Magically 260 and way stronger. All I’d have to do is diet down hardcore; pretty sure I’d still be a lot stronger afterwards.[/quote]

fair enough. to each his own, it served the purpose i was looking for, which was to make those little steel balls go a few inches farther each day. depends on the persons goals and comfort level with themselves. [/quote]

Which is all I have written.

It served a purpose…by helping you get big and strong enough to handle the kind of weight that allows you to look like now even after losing some weight.

It isn’t that anyone has a goal of looking like you at your heaviest. It is about understanding that for SOME people, it takes not looking ideal to reach the overall end goal especially if your goal is extreme on the level of your size or bigger.
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i get that too son, but i am willing to admit, for me, and naturally chubby guy it has been HARD to trim up, and it is omething i struggle with daily. i am not sure it is the path everyone should take.

it was right for me at the time, but certainly not for everybody. and i am pretty sure not everybody had access to the structure and coaching i had that made sure my work load compensated for the massive amounts of calories (8000-10000 /day i estimate) that such overeating did NOT lead to any permanent health problems.