[quote]undeadlift wrote:
I sit when I use dumbells while stand when I use barbells. Sitting w/ dumbells hits my shoulders better while standing w/ a barbell makes me stronger faster.[/quote]
I’ve done the same thing and accualy noticed the same results. I don’t really think there is a superior, They both tend to complement each other. I think another big part of it is usualy personal preference.
If my routine contains a bench pressing variant, I’ll just go with the behind the neck press.
I’ve never experienced any problems with it and have gone very heavy (up to 1.5 bw full ROM for 3-5 reps) with it. I daresay that my delts are among my best developed muscle groups.
Since I’m training at home, I prefer to do my overhead pressing standing for safety reasons.
LOL@ people dissing the seated overhead press
Keith Wassung overhead pressed 315 for 4 reps and in his article on how to improve the overhead press he said
The primary method of overload for the overhead press is the seated overhead press. This exercise will allow you to work the pressing muscles of the upper body, while minimizing the stress on the lower back. I have found that by alternating the standing press with the seated press, I can use heavier weight and train with a much greater frequency that if I were to only perform standing presses.
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like fighting scott said. variety is the spice of life. There are so many variations to the oh press why limit yourself to just one?
What do you think of the seated machine shoulder press? I’ve been doing this for my shoulder press, but I’m thinking of switching over to seated dumbell shoulder press.
The Hammer Strength shoulder press is the best shoulder press I’ve ever used. You sit back at a 45 degree incline, you take your back and traps out of the equation, you can use more weight and apply it all to your delts. I just love that machine.
Next on the list would have to be the seated barbell press. Due to the fact that this is the heaviest you can go with a free weight for the shoulders.
For my purposes it sucks but im sure it has its place. The question is do YOU really need to be on that or do you need to build some brute strength and put up some heavy dumbbells.
I frequently do both… Standing tends to be clean and press or push press, seated tends to be barbell or DB presses…
I truly cannot choose. I love both. I guess the clean and press is my favourite all round shoulder exercise so i would say standing if pushed it to it…
But i love the pure isolative stress on my delts during a seated barbell even on the smith.
Joe
Personally Ive noticed that many people can lift MORE with dumbbells than with a barbell in the seated overhead press. Ive also seen quite a few people who are much stronger when using a neutral grip as compared to using the usual pronated grip (palms facing front)
[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
The Hammer Strength shoulder press is the best shoulder press I’ve ever used. You sit back at a 45 degree incline, you take your back and traps out of the equation, you can use more weight and apply it all to your delts. I just love that machine.
Next on the list would have to be the seated barbell press. Due to the fact that this is the heaviest you can go with a free weight for the shoulders.[/quote]
[quote]Artem wrote:
What do you think of the seated machine shoulder press? I’ve been doing this for my shoulder press, but I’m thinking of switching over to seated dumbell shoulder press.[/quote]
Unless your training with an injury or something along those lines, their is no reason to use a machine press as your only overhead press, switch to free weights.
Not true… Machines have a place in a bodybuilders workout… Better isolation even if only for 3-6 weeks, “it is a change of pace” (dont you just hate that saying now?)
Joe
[quote]UkpairehMombooto wrote:
Personally Ive noticed that many people can lift MORE with dumbbells than with a barbell in the seated overhead press. Ive also seen quite a few people who are much stronger when using a neutral grip as compared to using the usual pronated grip (palms facing front)
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I tend to rotate from pronated at the bottom to an almost neutral grip in the top position when doing dumbbell overhead presses. Feels most natural that way.
I believe the relatively high weight used when doing seated dumbbell compared to seated barbell presses comes from the fact that you don’t have to worry about clearing your face with dumbbells.
At the moment I’m doing standing barbell overhead press or push press with low reps and then add some dumbbell work with slightly higher reps - either seated press or see-saw press. I’ve also been doing some one-arm barbell presses for a change of pace lately.
bmitch, joe joseph
I agree with both of you, I’m only saying machines shouldn’t be the primary or only overhead press imo. I don’t see any reason besides injury, warming up, or burning out. I would always pick seated/standing barbell presses or DB presses over a machine.
As i said earlier machines have their place
but how many people do you think REALLY need to use them. Its actually pretty fucking low especially for overhead presses.
Standing military with a wide grip. Big weights, big delt recruitment. I have to keep myself from doing them too often because they’re effective to the point of causing muscle imbalances.