david i laughed when dj told me about your epic night. and emi i heard about your close on erin. good work my fellow brother.
Perry, good work on those two girls I feel like you are laying some crucial ground work for cumming on their faces. I laughed really hard about the Romans thing, but hey sometimes dumb girls can be fun too. Anyway, I can understand why Lilian would not want to hook up with you since you knew Andrew. I’m sure that’s a traumatizing experience that none of us could ever understand in full. She probably did have feelings for you but felt weird about the whole thing. Girls lead guys on I feel for 2 reasons: 1.) they are still making up their mind about whether they want to move forward with you or 2.) They simply like the attention. It sounds like yours was a case of the former rather than the latter.
Oh and to update on possible approaches I saw this in a movie: Go up to a girl and look a little taken back by her when you are close to her and be like “And I thought I was good looking!” Of course this takes some balls and could backfire if used incorrectly (In the movie when the main character tries to use it but says it using the wrong tone and the girl is confused and says “I’m sure you were”). Good usage of cocky/ funny and it shows her your intentions.
And to respond to my hook up with Erin, I wasn’t that stoked about it lol. My attitude during that night was: if I hook up with her. fine. If I don’t hook with her. Perhaps better. I still flirted for practice, but I’m sure I came off as not caring how she felt about me. I feel like this unintentionally made her more attracted to me. Good state of mind to use when a girl you want to hook up with gives you attention. That’s damn near impossible, so maybe it is a good strategy to pretend to not care if she is giving you attention.
There is this one possibility (an asian girl that is friends with Stephanie and Claw Girl) that I am using a new strategy with. Goes something like this: So I see her at a Pike football game and she sees me but kind of looks away, I don’t approach her or anything but instead try to socialize with every other possible person at the game. She eventually faces me and goes “your name is Eric right?” And I go: “Ya I’m not impressed it took you this long (to remember my name)” Her: “(smiling) Well I was drunk, do you remember my name?” Me: “I don’t affiliate myself with people who forget my name”. The conversation went on from there we talk about our last names or something and she starts to get unresponsive (like she was too cool) so I just turn and act like I’m really excited to see someone else and leave without saying anything.
Later I come back and make fun of the fact that she has grass on her pants from sitting down and she says: “I don’t think this relationship is getting off to a very good start.” I say: “Well it’s only going to get a LOT worse from here Monica” I was basically just a dick to her in a semi-playful way, and I feel like it was pretty effective. She is one of those cute HB 7.5’s who is as confident as a HB 9 which is why I acted that way. I think I should start acting this way to all girls I interact with. You don’t even have to be clever, but pretend like you are better than them. I don’t think she sees me as that powerful because I kind of have an unspoken reputation of being shy. However, acting this way makes girls second guess this reputation which is key.
Edit: I’m not sure how a reputation can be unspoken…but fuck it.
Not much to update on with the Indian girl. My room-mate who is pretty good with girls gave me the advice to not really contact her (phone or text) but whenever I see her at school or where ever to flirt with her hard core. He says if I chase her before she chases me then I ruin my chances of getting with her. I tried this for a week or so, but couldn’t help it and broke his rule.
I have texted her on a couple of occasions and called her one time to see if she wanted to go to a party. She declined and said she wanted to take it easy and hang out with her sorority sisters (which I believe cuz there were other huge parties going on that night that I’m pretty sure she didn’t go to). Also I texted her over the weekend “happy thanksgiving to all and to all a good night -E” (pretended like it was a mass text) and she responded. I texted her again and she never responded to that one. Bottom line is these are all signs of disinterest unless she’s playing games (which is unlikely). I feel like pursuing her is a trap that I fall into a lot: pursuing girls before they are interested and coming off as desperate.
It’s like a fucking paradox: coming on to girls is the only way to get girls, but it is also one of the easiest ways to demonstrate desperation and therefore kill your chances of getting girls. Guys like DJ never have this problem because his looks (like in magic the gathering) dispels any indication of desperation. I still have a lot of work ahead of me. Perhaps my situation will change but as of now I feel like the Indian chick is a no-go.
damn
Btw I like the idea of making an approach every week and documenting it here. I really like it.
Pretty incredible quote right here that captures the concept of working on yourself before making your life about attaining the affection of others: “You see, I believe that as we are complete unto ourselves, we can then interchange with other people. It is when we are incomplete and expecting others to fulfill us that we can’t successfully be with other people. Other people can’t fulfill us because, for one thing, they are transitory. You cannot stake your future on another human being because chances are they will not be with you forever.”
Interestingly enough this is from some bitch named Peggy Granger (from Every Woman’s Guide to a New Image)
I found it on a facebook note (just to clarify).
Who would have thought women were capable of good thoughts.
yeah lillian is kinda like this little slut. she flirts with soooo many guys and touches them and stuff all the time when i see her in the dining hall. alright im not sure if shes a slut, but damn does it sure seem that way. i like that opener. how about for the first weekly approach we use that one?
btw where the fuck is david? i check this site atleast 3 times a day to see if you guys write and then i dont even write when i look. i mean to write more but if im not motivated i wont do it. i should try and write more to give you guys stuff to read so you can reply on it back and vice versa.
haha. “if I hook up with her. fine. If I don’t hook with her. Perhaps better.” thats great. if you were not drunk would you hook up with here? im just curious cause ive found out that i cant hook up with girls that i dont find attractive. i just cant get myself to do it.
i had this stalker at the beginning of the year who texted me 6 times if i didn’t respond to her first text (crazy). btw this girl is like a 5. shes not good, but shes not a tragedy. she texted me this one night and said im half naked in my bed right now, come over. i just cant do it. i feel like this is a bad thing for college right now cause i should be going nuts with girls. not going nuts with ugly ones though just to clarify.
sounds like you did everything really well with that asian girl. what happened after you made fun of her? will you see her again at a party or something? seriously, how the fuck is a reputation unspoken? thats damn close to a paradox. i swear ill write more tomorrow, i just gotta go to bed cause its fucking 4:20 am
I have recently found myself with the opposite problem Perry. I have been hooking up with girls that I’m not that attracted to and I literally feel ashamed when I look back on it because I have always had some pretty high standards. However, I feel like hooking up with ugly girls is great practice for closing with hot girls. As the saying goes: “you have to slay a few dragons to get to your princess”.
When you are with a hot girl who may or may not be into you, you over-complicate things in your mind and never end up going for the kiss close or whatever (this is the case for me). When you are with an ugly chick you don’t even think twice about closing in case you decide you want to. This gives you perspective on how easy it is to close on hot girls. Just isolate the girl no matter how hot you think she is and go for it. I have made a conscious decision that I will not hook up with a girl that isn’t a 7 or higher from now on.
I don’t care if this takes years, because now I have the perspective from hooking up with not so great girls, and I have no excuse to not hook up with a girl that I’m actually attracted to.
Side note: Yes I have hooked up with girls below 7, but only when I have been pretty drunk. Not so drunk that I don’t know what’s going on, but drunk enough to just go “fuck it”. Also I didn’t hook up with girls below 7 when there were other people around, because that could be bad and possibly hurt your chances of hooking up with hotter girls.
i said id write today and i did. more tomorrow cause its dj birthday
And I am going to call David out for not writing shit. I pretty much check this every day and write on it every day.
With the asian girl, after I made fun of her she smiled and hit me back with something I can’t really remember. I saw her 2 nights ago at her sorority’s fundraising event and it went something like this: I saw her and was like “what are you doing here?” (which was a dumb question since she was obviously there for her sorority) but she answered anyway and didn’t give me shit about it. Didn’t really talk to her much else there, but later I saw her and smeared red face paint on her face (I had face paint on cuz i was cheering for pike in volleyball finals). She laughed and gave me a weird look, and I started making fun of her for having random marks of red on her face. She was like “Yeah because of you!” She left to wash it off and when she came back I was like “here you missed a spot” and went to rub more paint on her face but she ran away when she realized what I was trying to do. I didn’t say bye to her or anything that I can remember. Idk why but I haven’t gone for the number close. next time I see her I will go for it. I will probably see her more because she seems to be around pikes a lot.
haha. yeah that is a great quote and good point. ive never heard a smart statement from a girl, ever. so its 3:20 and i couldnt sleep so what else would i do but write on here. i finally hooked up with alex tonight. FINALLY. its been about 8 weeks now and tonight i finally could kiss her. i met here on the 4th day of school but i couldnt kiss here cause i might have gotten herpes. im not kidding either. (emi i can see you saying WHAT?! aloud write as you read that.) yeah she has this cold sore that she got from kissing this other guy probably on the first day of school and it fucked me over for 8 weeks. before we went to pick her up d.j. told me he really wants me to have sex with her tonight. so when i was kissing her i was trying to get to her vagina really hard just ti make dj happy for his birthday but she told me to slow down lol.
i tried d.j. i tried. this is probably the most depressing thing i have said in a long time but she was the first girl i hooked up with this year. ive been to parties, flirted with plenty of girls, have gotten numbers, but if you dont hook up with a girl it means nothing… sure its important to get the number, but if you want the girl and dont keep talking to her and dont get her, so what, you know? its all about closing.well okay, thats not completely true. if you are talking to an attractive girl in a public place where you constantly see people (dining hall mainly) thats huge i feel. but you just gotta close. and emi this in no way is directed towards you cause your currently going for this girl. im actually thinking about my current situation with this other girl that i danced with at a party and she is very good looking but im not gonna close her. i only she her at the dining hall and i cant really generate enough conversation out of the time i see her to get her interested. thankfully shes not that interesting cause i would be tripping on her right now.
emi want to do the approach thing on friday? anytime during the day is fine, but lets agree. when you say yes its on. i srsly cant wait to do it and then to read your story about it. im gonna try the “and i thought i was good looking” line.
that is true. slaying the dragan is good practice. no offense to dj but he hasnt hooked up with the best looking girls since he came to santa cruz. dont get me wrong hes still an expert at pulling but sometimes he doesnt make the best decisions. i dont think kristin mcfarland is hot at all, maybe a 6 tops, but sometimes you just gotta lower your standards. especially if your going through a cold streak. omg thats very true. with a hot girl your thinking that you cant kiss her cause she doesnt want you too, but with an ugly girl your thinking she really wants you too cause nobody else will do it. my rule from now is go for the kiss. even if you get rejected you still tried. that quote about men would be 20x more daring if they knew what women were thinking is true.
dude i really hope you get the number close. she sounds like a fun girl cause she goes to all those events. is it possible to hook up with her at a party? i think that would be HUGE. it seems like the best way to get your way with a girl is at a party. david where the fuck are you? i really want to write more but i cant think of anything about working out or girls. oh yeah. theres this article that i found on sosuave (have not read yet) but the comments below it were saying best post ever, life changing post, inspirational, best post ive seen in years, etc. i will read it tomoroow and send you two the link to read it. ive skimmed it and its about your thought process about yourself. like telling yourself that you are the bomb and nobody can take your confidence away from you. things like that.
by the way i love checking updates on this guys post. Alright guys, here's my plan and my new look! | SoSuave Discussion Forum
i laugh so much at this guy. he just looks like a tool. i posted twice on this post under the nickname perry so look for my amazing comments. i dunno its random but i love how lame this dude is. i know hes trying to be an Alpha Male, but he just doesnt go about it the right way at all.
I’m working on an essay right now, but to respond to your approach proposal, I will do one today and let you know how it goes. Friday is not a good day for me because I will not be on campus and I have work from 4-8pm. And yes you have my word that I will do one. If I don’t you get a free shot on my balls Perry.
OMFG…I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF POSTING A HUGE ASS DETAILED PLAY BY PLAY OF MY APPROACH YESTERDAY AND T-Nation JUST LITERALLY ENDED IT AND WENT TO A DIFF PAGE. THATS SUCH BULLSHIT IT TOOK ME LIKE 20 MINUTES TO TYPE. Ill try to post it again but I’m copying and pasting from word. That pisses me off so much.
Here is the play by play of my approach yesterday:
-So in my political science class I sit down next to this rocker asian girl (let?s call her RAG) with a nose ring who I noticed a while back in the quarter. Back then I thought she was really hot but shes probably only in the 7-7.5 range.
-I sit down on the right side of her because it looked like she was saving the seat to her left. At this point she was oblivious to what was around her because she had headphones on, and I was wondering what I was gonna open with.
-Coincidentally this girl that I’ve been talking to (just as friends because my room-mate was dating her at the beginning of the quarter) sat down 2 seats away from RAG. My friend waves me over to sit down next to her (in the seat that it looked like RAG was saving).
-So I ask RAG if I could sit down on the other side of her but she didn’t hear me at first. I had to kind of wave my hand in front of her face to get her attention and she smiled in embarrassment and took the headphones off. Me: “can I sit there?” RAG: “Ya thats fine.”
-So I sat down and now that I got her headphones off I was like “Hey do you know what day the final is for this class?” RAG: “Yeah, it’s on Thursday” Me: “Nice! I thought it was gonna be on Tuesday.” Her: “Yeah, I?m glad its on Thursday too.” By this time the professor started lecturing which was good because I didn’t have much else to say (but I didn’t give up).
-5-10 minutes into the lecture I start clicking my pen quickly and noisily in succession (I do this sub-consciously a lot but this time I had a plan). I lean into RAG and say “Hey if my clicking gets annoying just let me know” RAG: “Okay.it’s annoying” I stopped and dropped my pen because at first I thought she was being a bitch, but then she smiled and (probably in response to seeing my reaction) said “I’m just kidding.”
-Throughout the lecture I would make comments every 5-10 minutes to her. My strategy was to not make her forget that I was there and to set myself up for a conversation once the lecture was over.
-By the time the professor was done lecturing, I turned to her and said “Are you sure the final is on Thursday, and you’re not trying to get me to show up on the wrong day so the curve works in your favor?” RAG: (laughing) “No I swear it’s Thursday!” Me: “Well I don’t know if I can trust you when I don’t even know your name” RAG: (extending her hand) “I’m Annie” Me: “I’m Eric, but I still don?t believe you” RAG: “Here I can prove it” Me: “I?m listening” She pulls out a syllabus from her organizer and then puts it back realizing it was the wrong one RAG: “Oops that?s the wrong one” Me: “Wow this isn’t helping your credibility”
-She finally pulls out the right one and shows me that it is in fact on Thursday. I go “Alright that is some pretty sound evidence” RAG: (mockingly) “I told you”
-Me: “So are you gonna bring me a blue book for the final?” (blue books are what we have to buy to write in for a test) RAG:“No I think you should bring me one” Me: “Pfft, that’s not gonna happen”
-I start putting my stuff away and she exits the aisle going the opposite way. She turns and says “Bye, good luck” (on the final) Me: “Alright I’ll see you later” and I turn and exit the opposite way and start talking to my friend.
-I didn’t get a number, but I at least got her name and I feel like I successfully teased her. Hopefully I set myself up for a future interaction with her. It sucks that I chose the class before the final to finally approach her.
I’m looking forward to your approach Perry. I’m nearly wetting my pants in anticipation.
BTW. when I read the thing about the herpes I did go “WHAT!” in my head. That’s a red flag that this girl is kissing guys with cold sores on their lips. But then again it’s a flag when she doesn’t know where the Romans were from. I still give you props for hooking up with her tho, I’m stoked for you. I can totally see DJ begging you to do that.
And don’t worry that this was your only hook up of the school year so far. I didn’t hook up with anyone (that I can remember) my 2nd year until half-way through winter quarter or something. So your already on a better pace then I was. Be patient and keep applying what you’ve learned about girls and just be ballsy as fuck. Got more studying to do, peace.
I seriously recommend reading anything this guy (snowplowman) posts on ss. I try to model myself in party situations after this guy, even though I don’t come near him in game. Here is one of his recent posts, it looks like he’s bragging but he is really just explaining why he’s successful:
Side note: I was watching “The Girls Next Door” and Hugh Hefner said he didn’t lose his virginity till age 22. I am going to remember this whenever I feel like I’m in a slump. Also Steven Tyler from Aerosmith didn’t lose it till like 25. These are both guys who have banged thousands of the hottest girls in the world.
before i say anything new, im going to reflect on a recent action that d.j. did. its not good, at all so dont look for any advice for all of our sakes. so it was a saturday night. i told d.j. i was interested in going to a party with him tonight cause i was pretty tired from the strip club and got shitty sleep. he agreed and we decided to play some drisk tonight with our asian friend robert. the rule was after every risk card you had to drink a beer before you can get the next risk card. after about 2 and a half hours, the game was always lopsided, meaning whoever got the next risk cards was dominant until the next person got their risk cards.
so eventually, d.j. gets a call from this girl (doesnt matter if its jessica alba okay, but shes definetly not… shes about a 6.6 on an average day, 7 on a good day). youll see why i said that about jessica alba in a second. he got a call from this girl to come over during the middle of the game. i didnt think anything of it at the time. after a minute or two he called his roommate, who has a car, to come pick him up from my apartment. my friend and i started saying, stuff like whoaaaaaaaa. that definetly chicks before dicks. no question. thats an awful chicks before dicks too cause we are fucking in the middle of drisk and hes going to leave us for a GIRL.
the more i write this the more pissed im getting. actually, that is insane. im gonna start tearing up right now cause that is the worst example of chicks before dicks that ive ever experienced. come to think of it, its hard to think of a worse example of it were the guy is more wrong than d.j. was. besides being at his best friends bachelor party. we are talking about drisk here. FUCKING DRISK. when you play drisk, its bros night. FUCKKKKK . im really pissed. that fucking goes against all my fucking morals in life. the biggest one ever. bros before hoes. like yeah, the rule can be bended a little for everyone, especially of a guy is at a party and trying to go home with a girl and meet up with his bros the next morning, but this breaks it 20 times in a row. fuck that shit.
like i said, after he got off the phone, me and robert were giving him shit like , “chicks before dicks” and how “thats messed up since we are in the middle of the game”. after that. he called back his ride and said hes not going. i immeadietly told me that he should go cause he has helped me try and get with girls before and has told me i can sleep in his bed if i bring a girl to sleep in it with me. he also told me i can rip off my condom right before i was about to cum inside a girl and cum all over his pillow. after i told him that he should go after what he has done for me, he called his friend back and told him to pick him up outside my apartment. after he left, the more i thought about it, the more mad i got.
emi, i KNOW FOR A FACT, you would never do this. ever. i would never do this either. ESPECIALLY during drisk with 2 of my friends. imagine this. we are at davids house with emi, david, and i. dj gets a call from a girl, and wants to get a ride over to her house so he can fuck her, DURING DRISK. THE MIDDLE OF DRISK. you guys would understand how upset i am if you were here too. remember the night we watched that movie at penn center, and afterward we went to jamba juice, but it was closed, and the only reason d.j. wanted to go was because he was gonna get picked up by niki. this was like that, but we were drinking beer and playing risk which is manlier than any movie we could have watched.
this is gonna be a long post. so after the strip club last night, i was on the couch with alex and i hand one arm around her and holding her hand with the other arm and she was leaning into me. we were watching t.v. for about 45 minutes total and about 10 of those minutes we were silent. (i have never liked this girl from the start, i was only trying to get with her from the beginning and it took me 8 weeks to kiss her cause she finally told me her herpes was not transferable, errrr i mean cold sore,. i kissed her 5 days ago for the first time and it was good. i was trying to push for more cause d.j. wanted me to have sex with a girl on his birthday so i reached down to her pants but she started telling me to slow down. i did and we ended up just kissing and sleeping in the same bed.) back to my story about last night.
so basically during the ten minutes of silence, i was thinking of the funniest way of kicking her out of the apartment while making a scene for dragans birthday. i was thinking what would get the biggest laugh out of dragan. i came out with nothing and sat for another 2 minutes till the show we were watching was over.
after the show she said she was tired and got up to go to the door. i followed and she put out her arms for a hug. i went in for the kiss and we kissed for about 3 minutes till she finally left. in between kisses i asked her twice if she was sure she didnt want to stay and she declined both times. about 20 minutes after she left, dragan came into my room asking if i liked alex. i said no emphatically. cause i dont, i just wanted sex the entire time but couldnt kiss her for 8 weeks which would make it seem like i was only into her because of her personality, not for sex. i went into his room to see why he asked that and i found out that they were talking over facebook. she was telling dragan that she just wants to be friends with me and thats it. she doesnt feel it anymore.
i told dragan exactly what to say to find out as much as possible but that was the biggest thing out of everything she said. she also said she doesnt see it going anywhere. mainly cause i dont have anything in common with her. she doesnt know the romans are from rome. hahahaha. she beleives that astrology is real. yeah thats right, astrology, the shit about your daily horoscope and how your day is going to be. and she admitted to have a foursome. she said she didnt do the guy included in the foursome but god knows what she did. (i dont believe in god but i use that expression). (by the way fuck god). and to top it all off shes not interesting. i never wanted to know anything about her, i just waited all this time to fuck her. definelty not work it. after i had nothing else to tell dragan to say to her i went back to my room at 2 a.m. to play my video game. i was actually kinda stoked i didnt have to hang out with her again to tell you the truth. and i couldnt wait to tell robert that cause hes one of my best friends here and he doesnt like her.
enough about her. so basically, my 2 approaches were shit today. saying “hi” to 2 girls and nothing else in my opinion is garbage when i promised more. they arent really even approaches. yeah d.j. was with me and dragan and robert were but i could have told them id be right back and sit next to some girls. i really really really to either A. get more testsoterone so approaching isnt fearful and i approach just because i have to or B. grow bigger balls and confidence untill i can do it. seriously, in the beginning of the year i have everything i need. confidence, confidence, confidence. i dunno where that goes but it leaves you fucking quickly. i dunno how to get it back. im baffled. maybe be getting numbers i can get it back? i hope thats it. i hope it doesnt take much cause i need it. its how i get even more numbers and hook up with girls just like im sure it does with you guys.
to comment on you approach, i think if you run into her agian around campus you can say, “oh hey its the mean girl who told me to stop clicking my pen” with a smile or a laugh following. basically anything cocky funny that actually happened between you and her in the time you talked to her. it sounds like she opened up to you a little bit which is good.
i just skimmed over the post from snowman or whatever and it seems brilliant. im definetly gonna look at what he says in his other posts. thats very very interesting at hugh hefner. i bet aerosmith didnt get popular untill he was about 25 cause theres no way a chick is gonna bang that ugly fuck unless he famous. alright i know looks dont matter, but steven tyler is an ugly fuck. thats how im ending my post