Question:
There are many so called ‘modern women’ who virtually treat themselves as sex dolls for men like Andrew Tate. So do we blame the man for partaking in what these women offer, or do we blame the women for offering it so freely?
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I would blame the parents of both people in the equation. At the end of the day, these men and women manage to find one another, and they deserve each other. It’s a world of meaningless existence and they can enjoy their shared misery when they get older and realize the party is over. They both come with an expiration date. I mean, imagine a 50 year old Andrew Tate (and he is not that far from it). These people may not grow up, but they will grow old.
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I don’t believe this to be the case
But many wish to chalk up their experiences to ‘karma’ or as being mediated from ‘the bestowment of a divine presence’ or lack thereof.
I’ve been told… a few times that my condition was gifted to me from god as he knew that I could overcome it.
People don’t like admitting ‘things happen… just because… no reason or rhyme’ because that infers that we lack control, and everyone wants a ‘just’ outcome, a hollywood conclusion if you will.
Good deeds bring about good outcomes, nefarious behaviour brings about consequences. To a degree this rings true… but this preoccupation with right and wrong, good and bad, black and white as a mediator for a good outcome in the afterlife
It’s created on the same flawed precipice that many abide by when looking at how the world works through a judeochristian lens.
Be a good person for the sake of being good, bettering your community… there is no intrinsic reward provided through good karma.
I agree with you… all you can do is not give up. Though I don’t believe there’s anything wrong in giving up if circumstances are truly hopeless. Imagine if you were diagnosed with ALS tomorrow and within six months you couldn’t get out of bed etc.
I’m a triangular prism!
What do you think about that?
I have five faces.
In response to your question. You blame both the men and the women. These ‘modern women’ you speak of (the types who went for Tate) are usually vulnerable, traumatised or disenfranchised women who are easily manipulated
This doesn’t rob one of all agency, but I like the way @SkyzykS outlined it a while back by comparing and contrasting two opposing ends of the spectrum.
You blame both the men and the women. In the case of breaking the law… you blame Andrew Tate in this case as the women weren’t breaking any laws.
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Why do you utter this nonsense in response to some of my comments? I don’t really care, I’m just curious as this isn’t the first time.
I find it funny
It has been my coping mechanism for the past year or two.
You don’t have to like it. I find it hysterical
There’s more to it, but can’t show without doxxing myself. I can show you via email if you promise not to show anyone
Initially I only bothered my closest friends and family with it… now i’ve spread it everywhere.
Also, we got into an arguement the other week. We never went over the arguement. Are we still on bad terms?
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You’re a random dude on the internet whom I’ll never meet in person. We were never on bad terms, just in a disagreement about my opinions on whether or not you should be able to vote in a country you don’t live in - if i ruled the world (lol).
I won’t ask you disclose your personal details to me, because I’m just a dude on the internet.
We’re cool dude 
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No worries
I’m sorry for losing my cool last week. It was uncalled for.
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No. They want to feel special because the One they think is in control chose them. We can live with believing we are not in control; it’s harder to live with believing no one is in control.
I find a lot of it is also ‘faith based’. Judeochristian fundamentals = everything HAS to happen for a reason. If there is no “good” and “evil”; no one to shift blame onto and no omnipotent force controlling everything that is and ever will be… then the religion itself is somewhat defunct.
The whole precipice of “god” and “satan”, punishment for your wrongdoings either on this earth or in the afterlife, the whole idea of free will or lack thereof resides on the precipice of some omnipotent, despotic force that shifts the balance of good and evil based on our behavior’s and actions as individuals and as a collective whole.
It’s FAITH based… and secondarily what you’ve outlined can be the case at times, but I’d wager that is rare as the idea “god chose me” is uniquely narcissistic.
@BrickHead you are very religious and/or you’ve opted to attend a conservative sect of Catholicism. The more conservative sects (esp with judaism) are far more belligerent in adhering to their faith. In the case of Judaism, the stricter you get… the more religion drives your entire way of life.
Why do you have faith? If god is so great and Jesús is so powerful, why do children die of cancer? Why do good people overwhelmingly appear to eat the shit end of the stick whereas sociopaths, psychopaths and the likes rise up in the corporate world?
Do you have an answer as to why good things happen to bad people and vice versa?
How could a world that is so fucked up in so many ways be ruled by an omnipotent force that balances the scales of good and evil out in a just manner?
Unreal agrees with zecarlo in that there’s no reason, no one to shift the blame onto. Sometimes bad things just happen. Imagine if I had a brain anyerism tomorrow… who would we blame? No one…
Bad things happen to everybody, but when they happen to good people it seems unjust.
And when good things happen to bad people it also seems unjust.
We don’t really keep track of these things in a granular sense, we perceive the justice of things or lack thereof.
Everything happens all the time. Good things, bad things, somewhere in between. In a given 24 hour period its not just 24 hours that passes. Its 24 hours × the entire population of the whole world.
Thats a lot of shit happening.
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I was for some time, like four years. Now I’m not. This isn’t a place in which I want to discuss religion.
I don’t think this has to do with what I was getting at. I believe a country with 50 percent of its young people having serious social, physical, and/or mental problems is not normal. I also suspect that if this is the case, that it wasn’t always the case. If it is the case then things are worse than I actually thought and I have not been exaggerating in railing about what I have like a broken record.
Even though America’s institutions are broken, I do not think raising normal children with desirable life outcomes is some complicated feat. It is hard and exhausting, but simple, so long as parents, especially a father actually understands how the world works. As this relates to Andrew Tate, part of that is understanding that allowing a daughter to present herself as a whore can have serious consequences.
And if it is the case in America, it’s pathetic, and shows that all the things so many say are so great are not producing the results that they said they would bring about.
I don’t feel bothered, but it appears when I discuss very broad issues, you often bring it back to you or me, two people.
No, I didn’t watch the movie yet, but I most likely will. Thanks for the recommendation.
@Andrewgen_Receptors not unreal here but I think misconduct should be blamed on both. I don’t think people should goad on bad behavior in others. The women do present themselves as whores and then Tate simply takes advantage of it, monetarily and personally. But if if he were the “traditional man” he told Tucker Carlson he is, why wouldn’t he refrain from indulging with poorly behaved women.
Some men even use a cop out for goading on women’s infidelity, like “Hey, if she didn’t cheat on her husband with me, some other guy was gonna take my place.” Such a man can turn down a woman’s advances and say to such a woman, “No thanks. You’re married with children. Are you freaking crazy?”
Many men on the net these days whine about the worst of female behavior as they goad it on, “feeding the beast,” so to speak.
I will say that something likely went wrong with Tate’s women long before they met him. Many women cannot see threats and predators and cannot realize this world is dangerous and hostile. Many of the more attractive ones think the world is one giant attention-providing circus that yields to their looks and believe they can go anywhere and everywhere acting as they please. They are so high on attention mongering that they cannot moderate themselves. And because we men have become wimped down (mostly by other men using the white-knight card or accusation of “sexism”), we don’t moderate them. To do so, is “old fashioned” and “oppressive.” We must absorb their immodesty or reinforce it (get cheap sex). We must keep acting without reason or restraint whenever women are around or demand something (even if it’s harmful to them and us and kids). We are sexist and oppressive if male family members police the female members.
An example of an attractive woman unable to moderate he attention-mongering was at work. Instead of the usual scrub pants, a nurse kept coming into work with skin-tight pants. She was sent home three freaking times! This means looking sexy in front of other mostly female staff and mentally-retarded, demented, elderly and sickly residents was so important that she violated the dress code even after being sent home three times.
And speaking of a total lack of awareness of this dangerous world, I’m reminded of the two beautiful and air-headed Scandinavian women who thought it was safe to trek Moroccan mountains only to be raped and beheaded, or more recently, the beautiful Polish woman who was rape and killed by a foreigner in Greece.
I apologize for the rant. Both sexes are responsible for their actions, but the buck stops with men. At least that’s how I see it. Sexual revolution (which includes second and gorillion-wave feminism) couldn’t have taken off if men didn’t allow them to. In it women could screw whoever they want, including people like Andrew Tate.
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I’ll add that though I’m no longer religious I do have a strict moral code and believe there are consequences to not recognizing nature’s laws and how the world works. Anything else pertaining to this topic I’ll only address in email or voice.
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It’s somewhere up there
But the majority don’t have major problems.
What percentage of kids are overweight or obese for instance? America is the fattest country on the planet, your serving sizes are insane.
A ‘small’ popcorn at an American movie theatre is about the same size as a large over here for reference.
Junk food is also very cheap in the states, making it easier for the lower class to just purchase junk food as opposed to satiating, healthy food.
Actually in terms of mental illness the rates of suicide, suicidal ideation and institutionalisation were higher back in the day. Domestic violence was also more common
The prevalence of other issues i.e obesity has gone up. Therefore if you combine the prevalence of physical, mental, emotional issues etc.
The liklihood a kid has ‘at least one issue’ is probably 50% or higher.
I think fourth wave feminism was the last wave
Which one?
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What I mean is
I’d argue 50% or more have ‘at least one issue’
But of those 50%+ that have ‘at least one issue’… they are not ‘major issues’
Like ‘Johhny has some issues with paying attention in class, but otherwise still gets decent/good grades’
‘Sam could lose ten pounds’
Etc
How else are mentally retarded men and women going to see nice legs?
Maybe she has a lover at the old folks home! They say once you go geriatric you never go back!
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I remember reading about this story in the news, and the only thing i was upset about was not getting to see what those pants looked like on her 
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Such a case occurred at my job. 
Was there actually a story about this same sort of thing in the news? I’m asking seriously because I wouldn’t be surprised considering goofy stories do make the news now.
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