Has anyone else been following this? I have been watching commentary on this case made by this lawyer Bruce Rivers. There are a few other videos about Tate made by him not shown here. He has interesting commentary on other cases as well.
Not super informed on the topic of his arrest; aware of Mr. Tate, his positions, and why people hate him though.
Anytime sex gets brought up in any legal setting, itās weird. Take the least sexiest environment possible (a courtroom filled with a bunch of monotonous āconversationā held by predominantly old dudes) and try to sexualize itā¦ it always seems weird.
Out of context, āstranglingā sounds like assault. In context, it could have been asked for and itās a kink for quite a few people. Of course, āstrangleā sounds like it has intent to kill, but in the context of rough sex - this is 1) not the case and 2) almost guarenteed to happen (in the non-murdery way). Sorry for going NSFW, Iām just being real. The person speaking in this video clearly only has sex in missionary, if he even gets laid at all, so Iām sure he doesnāt understand. His response in the first video was veryā¦ squareā¦
Heās been accused of much of this before, come to think of it. I believe one of the allegations blew over as āroleplayāā¦ again something that does not come off well in any court setting, regardless of consent/willingness. Heās also been accused of running a sex ring or something like that before - and I do believe that was dismissed as well.
To what extent do we consider this ārapeā? Woman goes over to a multi-millionaireās house for sex. Rich dude is known for being rough in bed, this does not dissuade her. She says (in retrospect) that she stopped wanting it halfway through, but said nothingā¦ would be very difficult to differentiate between roleplay and actual refusal in the context of rape roleplay (which this sounds like (needs context!)). She then proceeds to GO BACK to do this stuff with him again; I think calling that ārapeā may be a mischaracterization, if not buyerās-remorse falsehood.
The man does make it difficult to defend him with how much content he has for sure. Weāre also viewing this through a western lense, which even further removes most of us from the context which is needed here. Eastern European culture is VERY different than our own; that does not make what heās accused of ārightā but ethics is determined by cultural norms.
I donāt want to come off dismissive of rape allegations, but itās always fishy when one person makes a claim - then a whole group of people start making claims. These occurrences seem to not happen often to folks without wealth for some reason.
The question is, do we think heās going to get a fair trial? I think it would be very hard to do this; he better hope his jury is more men than women.
DISCLAIMER
Iām not condoning anything heās accused of, whether innocent or guilty. These are just observations on an interesting case.
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I doubt he was arrested based on accusations alone. I donāt know how much evidence the police have but I would assume they had enough to arrest and hold him. This doesnāt make him guilty of course. Regardless, pride comes before a fall. This seems like an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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In the post #MeToo era, the burden of proof lies upon the accused. But there are more charges than just this, and Iām quite unfamiliar with the standards of law outside the US. He is a prolific content creator/internet personality - Iām sure there is enough there to argue a sexual assault case or two.
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I would like to see examples of that.
The stripper who accused 4 members of Duke Lacrosse team (that all spent like 10 years in jail before she admitted she lied)?
Alan Dershowitz (who was accused in 2015 and not cleared until Nov. 2022)
Justice Brett Kavanaugh
I could go on, but these are the first ones that come to mind and Iām sure it isnāt necessary for me to. I know you like to be a contrarian and all that, but letās be objective here. In every other corner of law, the burden of proof lies upon the accuser; in sexual assault/rape cases, this standard is flipped.
A woman goes to the police and accuses a specific man of raping her. She has DNA evidence with no alibi, but tells a compelling and believable story. The man is brought in for questioning and says it was consensual, with no alibi. Who wins? Youāre welcome to play this one out.
another Disclaimer:
I think rape is dispicable and believe the proper punishment is castration or death. That being said, I think there also needs to be punishment for false accusers. Everyone needs some skin in the game (no pun intended).
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I agree with this. I also think the person falsely accusing someone else of such a heinous crime should receive the punishment for that crime considering such a punishment would involve destroying (lengthy prison sentence) or ending an innocent personās life.
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There have been several cases of celebrities and other famous people accused of rape a decade or more after sexual relations, with no evidence. This is outrageous!
Is there a way to prove rape occurs on private property without video or audio recording anyway? I donāt think so.
He acknowledged that some people have all sorts of naughty play but warned from his experience as a lawyer that as people go further and further into depravity, the likelihood of twisted and bad outcomes increases. And I agree with that.
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I donāt think any of them were convicted, as the case was dismissed, and it was a case of prosecutorial misconduct.
I donāt see how any of these cases demonstrate the burden of proof being on the defendant.
Ask William Kennedy Smith.
Being accused of something is not outrageous; itās a normal occurrence. The thing about this specific circumstance is that we know Hollywood is a weird, twisted place that has its own rules about morality. Does anyone think that what Roman Polanski did was an aberration? And people defended him then and now even when the facts of the case are known and not in dispute.
Then you have Ted Nugent and Steven Tyler who we know for a fact had parents sign over guardianship of their underage daughters in order to take them across state lines legallyā¦ for sex.
Why do we find accusations of perversion hard to believe when they originate in the land of the perverse?
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I was mistaken on the duke lacrosse team, got my wires crossed somewhere.
Iāve already provided an example of 2 men who were released after 26 years in prison. There are exceptions on both sides, which is inherently an issue in terms of legal proceedings.
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People believe all kinds of things.
Thats why we (in general) need proof to convict.
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Correct. Hence I said decade or more layer with no evidence.
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Related story.
From the article:
āThe accusations against me made by individuals I met years, even decades, ago are categorically false. These stories couldāve been from 30 years ago or 30 days ago ā no always means no ā that is a line I did not cross. The encounters were consensual. Itās difficult not to question the timing of these stories coming out. I donāt know for certain why they are surfacing now, but I do know this: I did not assault these women,ā Noth said in a statement to CNN.
But no criminal charges have been filed.
Is that the extent which these accusations can ruin someoneās life?
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We were talking about the legal system.
Right, to which multiple cases have already been exampled. So why do you keep playing the āyeah butā¦ā card?
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This is the biggest issue. There is almost zero risk to making a false allegation. Criminal charges against the accuser are rarely pursued, and punishments are minimal.
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Noā¦ the police force that arrested tate was the equivalent of the Romanian FBI
The warrants they had to get approved by the courts to sieze his cash, cars, apply a 30 day detention order on Tate and his brother required more evidence than a āhe did thisā by some anonymous tipperā¦
So many people want to defend Tateā¦ instead of blaming #metoo or whateverā¦ how about wait until the case is wrapped up before we make any definitive statements or conclusionsā¦ I think Tate is a manipulative piece of shit who runs a pyramid scheme and preys on vulnerable young men to financially support himself
But Iām not going to comment on whether heās trafficking women in public until he is definitively found guilty. I have a hunchā¦ but my anecdote or hunch means jack shit in the grand scheme of things.
Aside from the roleplay thingā¦ there are a few videos you can find on dark corners of the internet that I wonāt link of the guy straight up beating the shit out of women (in non sexual encounters).
In one instance bringing the woman to tears
Iām convinced the guy is a piece of shitā¦ even if he isnāt a sexual predatorā¦ his whole vibe reeks āpsychoā to me
Either that or he has really bad CTEā¦ which can provoke aggression, psychopathic tendancies etc.
Romania has awful policies on rape and human trafficking. Thatās why it is so common for those involved to do their business in Romania
To actually get caught IN Romania, youād have to be into some fairly deep shit and LE actually couldnāt ignore you anymore.
It is suspect that he fled to Romaniaā¦ the one country in Europe where human trafficking is fairly easy to get away withā¦ in response to UK LE starting up investigations on both Tate brothers overā¦ you guessed itā¦ investigations into rape and human trafficking.
Say what you want about wokeness and #metooā¦ Romania is NOT Americaā¦ the dynamic there isnāt remotely similar.
Romanian Intelligence Service (RIS)ā¦ equivalent is FBI in USA wonāt hahazardly break into your house, detain you for 30 days and seize all of your assets for no good reason.
ā¦ chances are thereās a reason.
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