The Andrew Tate Case

Yes.

Not TV news, at least not to my knowledge. But it was probably on some highly reputable outlet like Vice or Vox or Mary Sue.

I only read the story to see cheeks, and i saw no cheeks. It made me sad.

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So even 50 to 100 years ago, 50-plus percent of American children had some major social, physical, or mental issue or didn’t have an ā€œoptimal livesā€?

Actually… yes

In the 1930s it was particuarly bad due to the great depression.

Lots of kids were malnourished, overworked and unhappy.

This idea of the ā€˜American dream’ is somewhat of a myth if you look behind the facade.

In the 1940s-1950s, kids who grew up during the great depression worked very hard (probably harder than they had to) partially out of fear they’d wind up back where they were in the 30s

As a result you had dynamics where kids were (once again) largely left on their lonesome because daddy gets up at 6 to go to work, only to get back at 6, enjoy TV, dinner and beer before going to sleep and doing it all over again. Mommy also works part time, but is home during the evenings to make dinner.

The kiddo is raised at school… by teachers and peers (not necessarily the parents)… this is exactly what happened with my parents.

Raised in poverty… terrified of running out of money so both parents work REALLY hard… as a result unreal24278 and Unreals brother wind up moving many times… lack of percieved parental role models growing up (but had awesome babysitter). Even though parents were supportive, I think I have some arrested development.

In this case ā€˜some’ arrested development means a LOT of arrested development. You’ve seen how child like my sense of humour is :laughing:

The ideal archetype you describe… I can’t think of any society that meets your expecrations aside from some of the nordic countries… America hasn’t EVER been one of the ā€˜happier’ countries. The average height of the American man is also only 5 foot 9 lol

Compare that to Australia (5’10 and 1/2) or the Netherlands (6 foot and a half).

Take THAT! The average man in my country of original is taller than the average man in your country of origin… Therefore logic dictates I’m taller than you (case CLOSED! Last word about how tall we are awarded to unreal24278. I know you agree with me…)

Happy countries are like… Netherlands, Denmark, Swiss countries, nordic countries etc. Happy, healthy populations!

:avocado:

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People don’t get institutionalized anymore so of course the rates will be lower now. For the other stats, I doubt there are records for them 100 years ago, even 50 years ago. The concern is not so much the rates as they relate to the past, whatever they may be, but that they are going up.

People say there is less violent crime now than 100 years ago. Let’s say that’s true; no one cares about 100 years ago, they care about today and how violent crime is going up when compared to recent history, not 100 years ago.

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Yes they do

Inpatient psychiatric wards are still commonplace.

I know because i’ve been to one (puffs chest out as if i’m all proud of myself)

Precisely! I’ve brought this point up over and over.

ā€œ* Suicide is a leading cause of death in the United States.

  • Suicide rates in 2020 were 30 percent higher than in 2000.
  • The youth suicide rate was stable from 2000 to 2007, it then increased 56 percent between 2007 and 2017.ā€œ

@unreal24278 thanks for the reply. I admit that for a long time I’ve thought the line I’ve heard from more than one person, ā€œevery family is dysfunctional ,ā€ is one giant cope.

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Should be noted the 90s and 2000s represent a time when suicide rates were at record lows

So what led to the suicide rates being as low as they were during the 90s and 2000s?

I’ve pulled up the stats regarding suicide rates back in the day, throuth to present day. There was a progressive drop in suicide rates from the 60s through to the early 2000s… lowest rates in the late 90s. Over past 20 years, but particuarly past 10 years suicide rates have been increasing again.

Housing prices

Doctors turning their backs on chronic pain patients (leads to more suicides than you’d think)

Lack of social interaction

Sociopolitical instability…

Student loans/endless debt

Etc… so many reasons to feel sad

@zecarlo there were records of suicide rates back in the day

Suicide rates are currently increasing… and there is good reason for them to increase. Whether they’ll top suicide rates back in the day depends on whether something is done to curb the increasing suicide rates.

You haven’t been to a major US city lately. Or a public school here.

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I believe (could be wrong) the leading cause of death in the young is now drug overdose

Most specifically deaths from synthetic opiates like fentanyl.

I’ve been to a major US city within the last four years… does that count?

Also going to major US cities within the next month

And lived in philly for seven years… and yes… parts of Philadelphia have declined substantially from the time I left up until present day.

If you’re crazy, you’ll feel at home.

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I inagine I’ll walk through Kensington, Philadelphia and make myself a nice bed out of used needles to sleep on :rofl:

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That San Francisco video gives me very violent thoughts.

For who? @tlgains

I sent email. Am curious

I thought we both agreed religious congregation imparts a sense of community, and that’s a good thing (even if you don’t believe in judeochristian ideals)

Dude

Politicians in San Fransisco are the ones allowing it.

The reason you see so many homeless flocking to the likes of Portland, Oregon and San Fransisco is because the POLITICIANS in power (sitting atop their wonderful, sheltered, big houses) want to create ā€˜sanctuaries’ for the ā€˜disenfranchised’.

In SF I believe this has gone as far as to offer a ā€˜safe haven’ for illegal immigrants (as if criminals wouldn’t froth at that opportunity).

Many a times these homeless individuals have access to government assisted housing… but that one pesky rule of ā€˜not being able to shoot up in public housing’ is just too much of a burden to bear!

Notwithstanding many of these individuals have access to opiate substitution therapy that would help them get OFF drugs with a gradual, humane taper that largely eliminates the need to go through an acute withdrawl syndrome.

Which means many of the homeless fentanyl addicts flocking to San Fransisco and Portland are doing so by CHOICE… and that makes it even worse because only the worst of the worst of the worst are choosing to live in ā€˜tent cities’.

Some are legitimately down on their luck, but those who are down on their luck typically capitolise on any opportunity they can get i.e government assisted housing.

The people who shit on the street 99.9% of the time aren’t representative of the 'down on your luck guy/gal who really has just fallen on hard times.

Blame the dumbass politicians (in this case it actually is the left… albeit the far left) enabling this bullshit. I give credit to conservatives in that they certainly wouldn’t put up with this (though opting for mass incarceration is just as problematic and unsustainable).

@tlgains

No one should have to put up with this. When this happened in Portugul the government took radical action and now they have low rates of heroin addiction in comparision to much of Western Europe (whereas they were previously the heroin capitol of Europe).

I mean Australia has a meth issue… but if meth addicts were running amok in the city streets en masse you’d see police swoop in and pick them up INSTANTANEOUSLY.

Unfortunately cops in areas like SF (also a byproduct of the far left in this case) are encouraged to AVOID doing their jobs as they face repercussion for getting these poor, sweet and disenfranchised crack + fentanyl addicts who apparently don’t like using public restrooms (the street is apparently a good substitute)

@Andrewgen_Receptors remember when I said meth was super pleasurable… apparentlt crack cocaine releases up to 1000x the amount of dopamine you’d normally produce directly into the nucleus accumbens… for about three to five minutes…

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I think it was a case of supstance tourism due to then extremely lax policy towards illicit drug trade.

At least in my experience, a decade ago in Lisbon’s Barrio Alto most of the junkies begging in the street were Brits or Germans.

ā€œA national survey found 12.8% of adults have used illicit drugs, up from 7.8% in 2001. Opioid use is worse than in Germany. Overdoses are now at 12-year highs, and sewage samples find cocaine and ketamine at the highest levels in Europe, especially on weekends.

Collection of drug-related debris rose 24% between 2021 and 2022. Robberies in public spaces spiked 14%.ā€œ