Fighting is different. Everyone thinks they’re “tough”, but Mike Tyson knew better, and his quote is one of the all time greats for that reason.
Ronda trained with guys that would eat Mr. Tough here for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Training partners matter, weight classes matter, ability to withstand pain matters.
And I’m a guy who firmly states that golf is not a “sport” because a pregnant woman can play, and win.
All true. Your average person is a total pud, and most guys that have the guts to try the fight game(guys that are street badasses, often) last less than a handful of rounds or sparring sessions.
We’re not talking about her training partners’ capability, though. Her one advantage over most guys would be having a fighter’s heart. My question is, could she even make it matter? Most guys are pretty pathetic, so…maybe?
I’ll say this -that Cyborg(?) lady who kicked Ronda’s ass would 100% make lunch meat out of any Joe Blow of similar weight.
add: googled, Ronda never fought Cyborg, I think Cyborg crushed the lady who kicked Ronda’s ass; whatever, my point remains
In my opinion, training with badasses 100% increases your capabilities.
Even adjusting for a “normal” sport, most females are built from the ground up training against other females. Females training against males would most likely crush other females who trained only against other females, a Sexist would say.
One final point -unless you think females bruise differently than males, Ronda has taken shots to the face that would make “most men” cry for their mama’s, and kept fighting.
She trained with them. There is video of her training with a male pro fighter. He doesn’t even try.
Here she is against a high school boy.
She sure looks terrifying.
Oh, and I have trained with pro fighters, including a UFC champ, which means absolutely nothing as training is training.
And biological reality vis-a-vis sex, matters.
I don’t know about that. Folks typically quit due to frustration and/or fatigue. Of course, most guys have probably never taken a punch of any kind and would be dazed after any kind of shot from a man(having taken it with eyes shut, not expecting it, and not having previously experienced anything like it)…but can a woman physically take a shot that would daze a man…at all…even once?
I think we are forgetting that Rhonda Rousey weighs like 130lbs soaking wet. I’d still put my money on Rhonda Rousey annihilating any untrained man/man with less than a blue belt in BJJ/2-3 solid years of HS wrestling under their belt.
Floyd Mayweather… depends on the ruleset… Judo ruleset (no striking, wearing gi etc) obviously Rhonda Rousey wins. Floyd Mayweather wins in a boxing match… in MMA format I think Floyd Wins. Notwithstanding that Floyd has 20lbs on Rhonda Rousey, but he walks around at a heavier weight when he isn’t cutting weight.
He’s also far more athletic, explosive, he’s a guy etc. From what I remember Rhonda Rousey was a bit of a one trick pony… armbars, armbars, armbars! Armbars from everywhere.
If rhonda throws floyd she wins as she will quickly submit him via armlock, armbar or choke etc. If Floyd can resist and use his boxing he wins… and that is the outcome 8 times out of 10 here.
Usually I favor the grappler… but 20lb weight difference, girl vs boy, it’s just not a fair fight.
Was it Rousey vs Holm when as opposed to using her grappling finesse, Rousey tried to outbox a boxer? That didn’t end well for her…
I doubt Floyd Mayweather has never grappled before…
Gabbi Garcia on the other hand would floor floyd mayweather even though she’s a woman.
Like does MMA not drug test this ONE woman? What the FUCK is going on with this…
Someone give those kids equal pay.
You may not yet, but if push came to shove - you would.
Why does this discount his point though?
I’m less convinced that drug testing is needed and more convinced that DNA testing is. Chicks walking around at 10% BF and FFMI>30? Dudes need to be drug tested looking like that, nevermind women. Jesus.
Due, I did randori as a mediocre judo blackbelt with female Olympic medallists (and one champion) and held my own. There wasn’t much, if any, difference in weight, as they were the 70kg+ category meaning they were well over 220. They were miles ahead of me in terms of technique and stamina, but I had the edge in upper body strength meaning I could thwart their setups for throws. The advantage was more pronounced in ne waza (rolling). Again, these were elite olympic athletes.
On the other hand, Teddy Riner, the most dominant male judoka in the last 50 years, absolutely murdered me both standing up and on the ground, despite him being 16 at the time with his mom overseeing his training sessions from the sidelines.
You’re still missing the point. Intentionally, I think, because you don’t want to answer.
It’s a case of physician heal thyself.
Come up with a better example. I didn’t miss the point, you failed to make one.
In Australia it takes 7-10+ years to get a first dan in Judo, very difficult to get a black belt here if you don’t compete regularly. I’ve been told Aussie standards for judo are “something else”… Lot of people drop out at brown belt or remain a brown belt indefinitely (which usually takes at least five years to get as most places do one grading per year)
The one black belt judoka I know is on the national team here. Black belt in judo = pretty scary over here. Unfortunately this takes away from what a first dan is supposed to represent. Shodan is meant to equate to a student beginning his martial arts journey. This western archetype of the black belt equating to complete mastery is bullshit… Although that’s what a black belt in BJJ usually means nowadays
We only have 6-10,000 practicing judoka in the entire country. BJJ is more popular, but still very small here.
Freestyle/folkstyle/greco roman wrestling is almost non-existent. It’s all muay thai gyms and a bit of BJJ. Even classical boxing is dying out here (though corruption plays a big role in that alongside concerns over head trauma)
70kg is only 155lb
I competed internationally and was mediocre at it, it took me 7 years to get the black belt as besides the obligatory kata you got points for tournament placings. Worked well when I was a strong fat kid competing in the juniors as there weren’t many 6’4’’ teenagers weighing over 100kg and competing in judo. As soon as I dropped my bodyfat and fell into the under 100kg category (thank you T-Mag from the year 2000) I discovered that most of the people are faster and more talented than me, hence the mediocrity.
Sorry made a typo, meant to write 78kg+ where the competitors are usually somewhere between 220 to 300 pounds.
Folkstyle wrestling is also a pretty tough style bmatchup for judo.
