The Andrew Tate Case

I don’t know of him.

That’s the offenders choice, and he can have at it again.

One comes to mind: a 66 percent reduction in car theft in Delaware in the early 1900s. I think Delaware continued with whipping until the 1950’s.

I don’t know what thread this topic belongs to. We covered it years ago. My response was a quick one to readalot’s.

When it was discussed, you’ve routinely brought up Singapore. Corporal punishment was historically practiced all over the world, including America.

Again, I don’t know what thread crime and punishment belongs in and I likely won’t get into it.

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This can only potentially work in a society where humiliation and shame are recognized or taken seriously. Our society is a post shame one.

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That kid from the US that got cained was a friend of a friend- and a douchebag from Mt. Lebanon, which makes it all the better.

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The only modern, first world country that still employs this tactic… and it seems to work for that specific society… except it does appear to lead to higher rates of re-offending as one cannot get a job with visible scars that are obviously related to previous criminal proceedings.

I don’t think one stupid decision should mark you for life… and that is NOT me coddling criminals.

Hence why I’d bring up Singapore as opposed to what happened over one HUNDRED years ago… in a totally different time…

If you instate a policy that leads to repeat offending from an epidemiological perspective, it is an ineffective policy.

In which case the rationale stems from more of a moral vendetta… or a wish to see unruly individuals punished regardless of whether that punishment is effective or not

“The claim that corporal punishment is an especially effective deterrent has been refuted by empirical evidence, however, which shows that offenders who are punished by corporal means are actually slightly more likely to commit further crimes than are those punished by imprisonment”

It is their choice to reoffend… but to support a policy that leads to more crime being commited whilst at the same time taking an anti-crime stance perplexes me…

A thread called crime and punishment?

A thread about it could be made. It is a topic of high interest to me. I just think I’d burn out talking about it rather quickly. @unreal24278

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I can’t prove it unfortunately, but a personal friend in college hooked up with a woman at a party. Both had been drinking and flirting progressively all night until fucking. Neither were passed out, coerced or manipulated in any way.

Well the girl had a boyfriend who was out of town. She woke up, realized she had publicly been a slut around people her boyfriend likely knew and all of sudden she could remember nothing and it was rape.

She even told the college to carry the story, and they booted my friend. The college alerted police who opened a case. She initially held to her story and he was charged. She finally broke down when the gravity of sending someone to jail hit her.

Charges were dropped but the university would not reinstate. She lost her bf, probably would’ve anyways, and went on to graduate.

It happens more often than people would believe I’m sure. Women are pretty cold assassins when they want to be.

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Interesting post.

It happens more than people think. And the universities expel the men in such cases without due process, only a “she said” case.

This guy could’ve been screwed had it not been for video evidence showing the woman came onto him.

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Liability. But it’s Occam’s razor, they can’t admit fault when innocence is proven either. Due process makes the truth expensive.

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We had a girl in our unit while enlisted. She was engaged.

She fucked some dude in the barracks, multiple times over the course of weeks, mind you, then got caught. She claimed it was sexual assault, got him booted out of the service, and went off scott free.

Another unit had a girl in the middle of three dudes who ended up claiming gang rape when the 4th dude showed up. Obviously everyone believed her, because it was peak Me Too days and we must believe all women. She was known for taking dude’s virginity too.

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You’d have to be a psychopath to do something like this…

I’ll create the thread overnight.

On an interesting note, I’m actually (likely) returning to the states next month for six weeks (or longer)! I haven’t been to the states in 4 years. I’m curious to see how the landscape has changed. I’ve heard areas like CA, NY etc have gone extra woke

I’m curious as to compare and contrast America to Australia. The PC bullshit has recently begun to infiltrate Australia. Apparently the school I graduated from has gone woke as of last year (like super woke, had trans activists come to talk to students… and this was a catholic school when I graduated…)

America sets many of Australia’s trends, yet we always remain around 5 years behind… so if my cities (nearest city to me) current state is reminiscent of what metropolitan America was like 5 years ago, I can’t imagine what it’s like now.

The reason for me returning to the states is not a happy/good/vacation related reason. We have seemingly exhausted all resources available for the condition i’ve been diagnosed with in Aus. The medical community here is very, very conservative and frequently ill-equipped to deal with rare conditions. My parents are going for work while I’m looking for consults with American physicians as to try figure out a way to deal with the course of disease progression whilst maintaining an adequate quality of life.

For instance, I have fucked up shoulders… partial thickness RC tear, potential labral pathology (both shoulders), a redundant capsule with extremely lax ligaments that allows me to voluntarily dislocate one shoulder and both shoulders can be pushed out of place. With more damage accrued over life, the more lax the shoulders have become. In Australia they WILL not touch a shoulder with a redundant capsule. In America a number of treatments have been synthesized to help people like myself who actively sublax/dislocate despite having healthy scapulohumeral kinetics and supporting musculature. ESP if a lesion is already present (as is the case).

No joke, there are ZERO orthopedic surgeons in Aus who specialize in stabilizing lax shoulders caused by congenitally lax connective tissue. There are a few surgeons who might take a crack at it, but they don’t use the technology/procedures that have been found to work in the states. There are roughly 10,000 people in Australia with my condition… in theory if ONE surgeon here were to specialize in this here they’d manage to pull in a huge number of clientele as the shoulder(s) are one of the most frequently and most severely affected regions in those afflicted with inherited CTD’s.

Not only will they not help… but doctors by and large also don’t want to help with the pain associated with things moving out of place either. Procedures like arthroscopic capsular plication, posterior inferior capsular shifts with bone block (while smoothing down bone spurs/arthritic degeneration), bioinductive bovine augmentation to fix partial thickness tears that cause a lot of pain etc are treatment modalities that have existed in the states for many years… yet they aren’t performed here

It is spellbindingly frustrating… We can’t necessarily afford this treatment, but it’s either this or I have to end up applying for disability or go to a methadone clinic (fuck you if you actually suffer from pain that keeps you from sleeping day in and day out, but have all the pain meds in the world if you are a poor, down on your luck drug addict!) Still going to university, but can’t hold down a job at the same time anymore.

In America pain isn’t really treated anymore either unless you’ve exhausted all other options… But in Aus there’s no adequate pain management for young people even if you’ve exhausted all available avenues… I can’t even get a long term script for meloxicam here (granted it is on record that NSAIDS have led to me vomiting blood on four occasions, as my condition weakens stomach lining to begin with). But at the very least they’ll take a crack at fixing what is causing the pain!

New advancements in the world medical technology frequently stem from two countries in particular.
The United States of America (you guys have a TON of medical schools/top notch programs for training specialists) and Israel

Sorry for the rant… but for everything that is wrong with America (including healthcare if you don’t have insurance) you guys have some of the best doctors, and for those who can afford it the treatments you have available are some of the best in the world!

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Andrew and Tristan meeting the crew in Bucureşti Jilava prison for sex offenders:

There is an entire chapter in the book The New Politics of Sex(which I’ve recommended here many times) on this topic of women in the military. Wicked shenanigans like those covered here and others involving ruining military men’s retirement plans are covered.

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@Andrewgen_Receptors

My best mate mate who was in the military detailed all sorts of wild debauchery he saw over there

They had parties where there’d be guys ‘tag teaming’ some of the girls… in once instance this was in front of everone. He told me another story where a woman lined up like six guys and blew them to completion… in front of everyone… these stories really tarnished my view of the military :rofl:

One guy (age 22) had a wife back home who was a solid 10/10, model good looking… and he slept around with a woman who wasn’t even half as good looking.

Granted he had a sham of a marriage that his ultra evangelical parents forced him into… (his wife was in same situation). But my buddy said this wife was absolutely stunning, and he had only heard nice stories about her from the husband

There was a commander who was married with kids… and he started sleeping around with some of the female cadets (and I fault the commander here… not the women, he is in a position of power).

The millitary is an interesting one. You see you’ve got some of the top specimens (in terms of physical health) and the ratio of men to women is skewed massively in favour towards an excess of men

I don’t like the term ‘sexual market’ because people aren’t property… just as I don’t like the term ‘body count’ because people are NOT objects.

But the military almost encourages promiscuity when you’ve got a few women, and MOST of the guys present are fit, in shape guys with pent up sexual frustration from the lifestyle imparted through rigorous training and being around dudes the whole time.

Women can have their pick at some of the healthiest men on the planet… and these are young women. To add onto that, everyone is bored out of their minds when not actively training.

Then once a week (where my buddy was stationed) you’d have to go to a bar for drinks (you’d get 4-5 free drink tickets) mingling with men and women… Australian military has a bad track record for sexual assault, war crimes and the likes (in that these crimes tend to be covered up purposefully).

Whole dynamic encourages men to try sleep with what few women that are around. As many of these men resemble that “top 20%”… some of these women are actually ok with getting hit on the whole time.

I’m not in agreement that women who meet the mens fitness criteria shouldn’t be allowed to serve though. I do think the military could be less encouraging of this behaviour though.

Likely few people who use this term look at others as property. Market in this case is used because it is a scene of supply and demand. And use of the word sexual is obvious.

How did this go from [females abusing their sexual liberation for personal profit] to [america healthcare bad but good]?

Seems like you wanted an excuse to talk about what you wanted to talk about, not what the thread was discussing.

You guys have really good healthcare if you can afford it… Not only that, but you guys have more pathways into medical schools, superior training. Actually… if I wanted to learn from the best about aerospace engineering, most of the sciences etc I’d probably go to America. It’s the land of opportunity… provided you have money!

I suppose that’s the benefit stemming America’s unique type of capitolism. The price of individualism also equates to this opportunity not being accessible to a large portion of Americans though.

Let me ask you something. If you could re-shape society to your liking (lets say you could call the shots), what would you do to alter the status quo as to eventuate a different outcome?

We complain, but do you have a proposed solution?

A false rape accusation can be tremendously damaging, but you make it out as if this is common and that there is no due process. The truth is, the vast, vast majority of rape accusation and cases in court are chucked out. Around 1% of rape cases are actually prosecuted… so it makes you wonder… how did the court reach the verdict to prosecute when 99% of cases (when someone is accused of rape) are thrown out?

Do you have any information on what happens to women who make such false accusations, given the chance to destroy the accused men’s lives and disrupting their lives in the process of such cases? Does America have punishments for such false accusations?

What percentage of rape accusations that are PROSECUTED represent false accusations? Chances are you are looking at a very, very small fraction of legal cases

What happens to individuals who falsely accuse others of murder and get away with it?

In Australia, making a false rape claim can lead to a seven year prison sentence, and there have been quite a few cases where women have been jailed for this

In some states… Such as Michigan, the penalty for making a false rape claim is up to twenty YEARS in prison. I know of ONE person who was falsely accused of rape (indirectly)… it was thrown out of court because it couldn’t be proven and THEN the women was found to be lying, which led to consequences.

It is not as easy as saying “he raped me!” My brother is going to graduate law school relatively soon, I’ve spoken to him about this IN DETAIL.

It is very difficult to prove rape, but it can be proven… just very difficult. You’d need a rape kit, evidence of trauma, no alibi from the perpetrator etc… no overlapping factors (i.e almost impossible to prove a rape if it was two people meeting up on tinder unless there is obvious signs of severe trauma etc).

Say it was a tinder date, the two have consensual sex and the woman decides “oh shit, I could get into trouble… I’m going to accuse him of rape”. It is damn near impossible to improve the guy raped the girl without a video or a recording being present at that point.