It was probably the cheating that was thrilling.
I think if cheating is more prevalent today it’s because the contemporary world makes it easier. Men and women have more access to one another. Personally, I don’t just see it as being a potential issue with cheating but with life in general. I have yet to meet a man who likes working with women. I honestly believe there are supposed to be limits upon how much contact there is between the sexes.
I don’t know… My anecdote means jack shit but… a lot of women going to college here who DON’T live on res (the majority) seem quite reserved.
I have no idea what is normal for young people nowadays. I’ve been around many different cohorts and I’ve seen more faces come and go than I’d wager many have seen in a lifetime.
I’ve been around delinquents, party animals AND reserved, healthy, athletic subtypes (currently the people I spend most of my time around at college). Behavioral standards, relationship dynamics (including sexual activity) differs from cohort to cohort.
If you spend your time around people that frequently go to events where alcohol is involved you’ll find a lot of casual sex. If you hang around musicians… once again, more casual sex… Hang around athletic, clean living academics and there’s less casual sex.
Given the wide discrepancy over what is considered ‘normal’ conduct from cohort to cohort I can only go by what the studies tell me. Same for behavior’s like drinking and recreational drug use, it differs soooo much from group to group.
As a generalization, I find the arty subtypes (musicians, artists, actors etc) tend to be more experimental with everything (including relationships). STEM majors tend to be more straight edge.
I don’t really see a lot of hooking up all over the place anymore, but that’s likely a byproduct of my living circumstances along with my reluctance to go to parties/events where drugs and alcohol are highly present (not exciting for me anymore… not 18… been there and done that). I also don’t live on res anymore/in an apartment block full of young adults (overseas) so that also makes a huge difference.
I know more men who have cheated than the other way around.
IF we are going by anecdote.
I see no proof that women are naturally hypergamous. Even divorce rates are split evenly amongst men and women in Australia. (like 30% women, 25% men, the rest are agreed upon across party lines). In the UK the difference is around 60/40 (not as significant as the US)
I’m aware women initiate somewhere around 65% of divorces in America. Though you also see far more shotgun marriages/young marriages in the USA as compared to the UK/Aus, which are exponentially more likely to end in divorce according to data that is available.
It should be noted careerism also plays a role in the parthenogenesis of divorce. Marriages tend to be class based. If a woman is making more than the man, and is consistently around more suitable mates from the perspective of the potential mates ‘ability to provide’ the chances of divorce increase. There is more than enough data to support my narrative here. Marriages where the woman makes more than the husband are 50%+ more likely to end in divorce as opposed to marriages where the woman makes the same amount or less.
Not always though… this can work… but numbers usually don’t lie. You don’t usually see rich women marrying poor men.
“BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE mOvIE tItAnIC? Are you telling me Titanic was a LIE?”
You mean you haven’t noticed in 20-plus years of living that top-of-the-heap men attract more women than ordinary men? And by top of the heap, I don’t mean just men with wealth.
I have proof.
I’ve also noticed the top heap of women have scores of guys going after them… as i’ve said… my anecdotes mean nothing BUT I happen to know one girl who became a model for a while. She has over ten thousand followers on social media through her looks alone (without really advertising herself) and she has SCORES of guys hitting on her ALL the time without needing tinder/dating apps. She actually tends to go out with the guys who aren’t constantly trying to get with her/hit on her. Solid 9 out of 10 in the looks department. Average looking girls (even good looking girls) will never receive male attention like this without resorting to unflattering behaviors’.
Being good looking increases your chances of attracting more sexual partners (suprise!)
And some very attractive women will capitalize on this through social media or platforms like onlyfans.
Now, if some average looking girl wants to join tinder and sleep with a different guy every night she will have far more success than a guy who is a 5 out of 10 on the ‘looks scale’. The vast, vast majority of average looking women don’t do this as women tend to not be promiscuous like men are unless they are getting something out if it (like the hundreds of thousands-millions of dollars you can make yearly through being good looking on onlyfans)
There’s also an abundance of men on tinder… like 80%+ of tinders userbase is male, further diluting the pool of potential matches for men.
@BrickHead I’ve looked up what the definition of hypergamous is… my bad. I was getting hypergamy and polygamy mixed up and I was thinking “women are not naturally POLYGAMOUS” hence the confusion
It should be noted what I’ve mentioned above re divorce rates and wages, while marriages are more likely to end with divorce when the woman makes more money than the husband… this increased risk appears to be far less pronounced in younger cohorts. This could reflect changing attitudes towards this dynamic… however women (including high earning women) are still more likely to marry a man who makes more money
Hence with the term hypergamous I’d wager that you are correct. Women are hypergamous and men tend to be polygamous if they can get away with it
When I was a kid, my middle aged female neighbor stabbed her boyfriend’s girlfriend with a kitchen knife in front of her high school (!). She was married and had three kids, one of them I went to class with.
That was in 1988.
In addition, I was approached many times to be the “thrilling one” (the first time almost twenty years ago) by sexually frustrated women who married exclusively for money and/or status.
Brutal.
I believe it. Thrilling doesn’t mean loaded, though there are loaded men who are thrilling. I remember reading somewhere about Northern and Western European women, frustrated with their working-stiff and agreeable men, going south for sex tourism with macho Mediterranean men.
“macho” and “Mediterranean”…tell me you know nothing about the Mediterranean, without actually telling me!
To be fair, you got a good laugh out of me at that thought being at all serious.
I didn’t say all Mediterranean are macho. I simply reiterated what I read somewhere.
I am sorry if I came across the wrong way.
Guilty as charged.
BTW, this is an actual monument to the scores of intrepid local Mediterranean men who from the 1960ies onwards took upon themselves the hercuelan task of banging sexually frustrated Northern European women.
I’m serious.
Please do tell.
Oh my goodness, good clip. That Whatever podcast is wild. I’ve only seen clips here and there, but it’s a crazy mix of people. I love it when someone reasonable goes on and isn’t afraid to tell the truth. Thanks for sharing this!
Damn. Where is that?
I thought perhaps you’d have some input on this considering you are well travelled.
Town of Makarska, Croatia, the statue officially named “Tourist” commemorates the establishment of the first “young men’s social club for the entertainment of female foreign tourists” back in 1964.
Or maybe I was one of the Mediterranean men who spent his early twenties banging German and Scandinavian women.
Not the UK ones of course.
I’ve discussed reintroducing corporal punishment before in other threads, specifically bringing back the whipping post. I’m also in favor of the death penalty and forcing labor on prisoners.
Alphas, betas, red pills… does anyone just speak English? This is no different than the alphabet people and all of their labels and categories.
Isn’t this what educational facilities used to do to kids?
Whip/smack them when they spoke out of line?
Is this the kind of corporal punishment you speak of? Or are we talking about say… caning for criminal offences (like what Singapore does).
Televised?
Not a chance this was ever broadcast on TV…
For criminals.
Do you know who Peter Moskos is?
Criminologist who actually believes people charged with commiting lower tier crimes that warrant incarceration should be given a choice between prison and harsh corporal punishment, as he believes the humiliation of publicised corporal punishment could serve as a far more efficient deterrant for repeat offending.
I’m on the fence, but if it means avoiding prison/a criminal record whilst being publically humiliated in a manner that leaves a long lasting mark on ones reputation… it may be a more effective deterrant than prison (not sending someone to a facility where they congregate with hardened criminals)
It’s just so brutal… I suppose it depends on the crime being commited. I generally don’t like the idea of it. In Singapore it does nothing but serve to ensure someone struggles with life after they get out of prison… I don’t think that helps anyone. If anything that ENCOURAGES repeat offending.
What evidence do you have to suggest whipping posts and caning reduce criminality?
The first TV wasn’t even released until 1927
And for medieval towns with harsh corporal/capitol punishment, many of them still had absurdly high rates of violent crime.
It wasn’t necessarily effective.
