I can’t even count the number of times guys have come on here, real or contrived, asking for advice and the majority response was either “piihb” or “Have you tried hitting her?”.
For us it was obviously joking and absolutely not serious life/relationship advice.
Then along comes Mr. Tate…
I think a big problem for men these days, and even women, is that adulthood is seen as a negative concept. The idea of growing up, of being a grown up, is almost revolting to them. It’s as if the moment you accept that you are not a kid anymore is the moment your life is over. They don’t want responsibilities, accountability and obligations.
So you have adult men who play video games, watch comic book movies, argue about how wokeness ruined Star Wars, can’t have a conversation, live on social media, have no personality, lack confidence and don’t know how to dress.
The whole ok boomer thing shows the contempt they have not only for older people but for getting older. It’s funny how they’ll blame older people for how screwed up the world is, and how screwed up they are, but what did the older generation do exactly? They gave the younger one options and freedom to choose. Now the younger ones are mad because of the choices they were given the freedom to make. So what you have is young men who want to be seen as adults but don’t want the responsibility that comes with it. And that describes Tate, or at least the image of himself that he cultivates.
As a man, you aren’t fully there at 25. Your finances probably aren’t in order and you are probably lacking life experience to effectively father these children and lead your household (speaking as a former 25 year old who had a child). 30 is a much more reasonable age for men to have children as your finances will be better, as will your ability to father these children in the way you want to.
As for women, I would imagine 22 to be the earliest time in which having a child seems reasonable. It’s possible at far younger ages, but I think ~22 years old allows her time to find a suitable man to father her children and lead their relationship (I pulled this number out of my ass). Her job is more or less to keep the children alive and nurture them… Hell, I know a few 10 year old girls who could excel doing this alone.
I’m aware this means a 30 year old man would be having a child with a 22 year old woman. I see this to be a fair market value deal.
Not Brickhead, but I figured I’d weigh in on something I’ve been heavily vested and interested in.
I dont have any comments about Tate’s situation. I know nothing of romanian law and very little of Tate’s arrest that wasn’t told to me by the manosphere (little accuracy).
I believe many boomer parents were very permissive, particularly with daughters. Dr. Spock pushed permissive parenting in the boomer era. Boomers also condoned policies and social trends and partook in activities that were highly destructive. The Great Generation set forth dumb shit too.
I agree with everything else you wrote.
However, knowing that, my generation (X), Millenials, and Gen Z, in this Internet age, have no excuse for not realizing what caused previous or present issues and then taking it upon themselves to deal with them. That goes for jobs, personal finance, child raising, whatever.
That goes for the inflated difficulty of finding women in the current day. So while I empathize with some womanless men (incels), there are only two options for them: 1) try to get a woman despite the situation, or 2) give up.
Incessantly bashing women and the situation does nothing.
Not by design to make it difficult to divorce. The court system is just slow.
When I was a kid…
We used to do a ton of goofy shit “to pick up chicks”. I mean, lifting weights, stupid haircuts, wearing a shit ton of Polo or drakkar noir, even listening to different music.
And it worked! We always had access to tons of girls. Or maybe they just gave us credit for trying. Who knows?
But yeah- sitting around being bitter and bitchy, having the alterior notion of “women are sluts” or what ever just doesn’t seem like a winning strategy.
Like, imagine having a bunch of people over for dinner. Most people are having a good time, and some others that maybe aren’t are at least polite.
Except for one guy in the corner that complaines about the food, expresses disdain for the others, etc.
Think he’s getting an invite to the next one?
Not likely!
Same with women. Treat them like a vestigial organ, a burden, or a problem that needs solved- probably isn’t going to go too good.
Then when shit falls apart she becomes “That Bitch”.
That bitch that you have to pay child support to!
Or, more accurately, the woman raising ones kid/s who acts as proxy for the child support.
Working around mostly men my whole life, Ive heard so many iterations of the same story.
There are A Lot of guys that really need to actually man up and take responsibility for their behaviors, choices, treatment of others, and how they treat the others in their lives moving forward.
You are long winded as a MF, but wise beyond your years.
This is true and I am totally in agreement.
On the other side of that coin we have (many) women who, the moment they enter a relationship with a man, thrust upon him the responsability of their hapiness.
Me, me, me, my feelings, my hapiness.
I’m sure we’ve all come across such women.
Some friends of mine actually have wives like that. I’d rather be an incel than live like that.
If I see a young person drinking, screwing around, and grifting around I tend to think “that person is not fit to be a parent at the moment…” depending on this person’s age I may conclude they aren’t parent material… full stop…
Financial stability coupled with life experience, maturity and patience heavily factor into quality of life for both parents as well as their child. An irresponsible, impulsive man-child/woman-child might be fully capable of feeding, bathing, and educating a child. Ability to do the bare minimum doesn’t mean a parent is good with juggling routine, sleep deprivation, work, medical expenses.
How does being able to study, drink and have sex (self-oriented variables) have anything to do with being able to raise a child?
Family members marrying young… that’s an anecdote. Anecdotes don’t trump epidemiological analysis. It’s the difference between looking at 1-5 people, one immediate or extended family vs 100000+ people. Larger sample size = more reliability, less confirmation bias.
Personalities fundamentally change with life experience and brain maturation. Couples who get married at 18-20 are FIFTY percent more likely to get divorced in comparison to those who tie the knot after the age of 25.
Young, first-time fathers are 2-4.5x more likely to develop depression relative to those above the age of 29+. The strength of interpersonal relationships between married couples, degree of educational attainment and presence or lack thereof in relation to financial stability are strongly correlated with the fathers eventuating mental health status provided the father is 25+
The variables delineated above couldn’t explain the high depressive scores in young first-time fathers. Outcomes are equitable for younger mothers… higher rates of depressive scores across the board.
“Childbirth is especially dangerous for adolescents and their infants. Pregnant women under 21 are at a greater risk for bleeding during pregnancy, toxaemia, haemorrhage, prolonged and difficult labour, severe anaemia, and disability.” Financial and economic circumstances are potentially “life-long” and educational opportunities may be limited. ‘’Young mothers have a higher incidence of low-birth-weight infants which is associated with birth injuries, serious childhood illness, and mental and physical disabilities.”
Young parents are more likely to binge drink/adopt unhealthy lifestyles. There’s a correlation between child abuse and the age of a child’s parental guardians. Those aged 20 or below are by far the most likely to mistreat or neglect their child.
I’ve brought up how highly addictive sedatives were marketed towards 'young housewife’s’ as young women were miserable and anxiety ridden from being at home day in and out.
We talk about drug problems today… Yet the prevalence of hard drug use aside from opiates is on the decline. Drugs available today are far more destructive, therefore consequences associated with intake and abuse are more observable. Media outlets also tend to skew our narratives by incessantly focusing on what is wrong with society.
If we look at the data available and compare the 19th/20th century to the 21st century, it appears as if we have always had massive issues. This is not dismissal, hear me out…
In the USA, intake of hard liquor was 3-4x higher in the 1800s than it is now. Rate of beer consumption has also dropped 30-40% since the mid 1920’s. It is common for people to comment on modern societies dependence on medication, however dependence on sedatives and amphetamines back in the day was/is worse than it is now.
We can even look at suicide rates (by gender, age and decade). Over the past few years, suicide rates amongst young men and women alike have marginally increased. I believe this is largely in part due to social isolation, covid related social and financial burden alongside a ubiquitous sense of hopelessness due to a lack of perceived pathway towards a stable life.
Suicide rates were higher in the early 1900s. In the 1950s they were marginally lower than they are now. Male suicide rates have always been disproportionately high… even 100 years ago…
America’s per capita rate of suicide is less than half of Russia’s (another big country). Men are disproportionately represented in statistics relating to suicide. But this is the case for just about every country regardless of whether the country is liberal, conservative, democratic or autocratic! Notwithstanding stats on suicide within poorer countries are skewed lower as many deaths by suicide are never put up on record and/or are categorised under the realm of ‘natural causes’
America
Male suicide rate: 20-25/100,000
Female suicide rate: 6.8/100,000
2.9 to 3.7 male suicides per female suicide
Guyana
Male suicide rate: 63/100,000
Female suicide rate: 17.4
3.62 male suicides per 1 female suicide
Russia
Male suicide rate: 43.6/100,000
Female suicide rate: 9.1/100,000
4.8 male suicides per 1 female suicide
Iran
Male suicide rate 7.7/100,000
Female suicide rate 2.8/100,000
2.75 male suicides to 1 female suicide.
Pakistan
13.3 male suicides to 4.3 female suicides
3.1 male suicides to 1 female suicide
What about a rich autocracy with a very conservative society? Like United Arab Emirates, South Korea, or Singapore?
UAE…
Male suicide rate 8/100,000
Female suicide rate 3/100,000 (very patriarchal society, class-based hierarchy). 2.66 to 1
South Korea… 40.2 vs 16.9 = 2.38 to 1
Singapore 12.7 vs 6.4 = 1.98 to 1
Across the board, countries with the capacity to record physician certified all-cause mortality rates demonstrate men are more likely to commit suicide. Men are also more likely to engage in impulsive, dangerous, risk-taking behaviour. Suicide rates amongst men are still much higher in culturally homogenous, patriarchal societies.
7-15% of men with unipolar disorder (major depressive disorder) will successfully commit suicide. 1-3% of women with MDD will commit suicide. It doesn’t even necessarily mean men have it tougher across the board. A sex-based disparity in suicide rates has been noted almost unanimously across the globe for a LONG time. Furthermore, the demographic most frequently committing suicide are those aged 80+, not young men / women.
Divorce rates in the USA appear to be equitable to what they were in the 1950’s, and divorce rates are dropping. Suicide rates will gradually creep up as inpatient and outpatient care for mental health becomes increasingly difficult to access with staff shortages, exorbitant costs, and long waiting times.
I don’t think young people should be having children as evidence overwhelmingly suggests doing so dramatically hikes the risk of eventuating negative outcomes for both the child and parents. I also don’t buy into the incel crisis narrative. I have been doing quite a lot of reading over the past few months. I believe it is an issue, but not as big of an issue as many make it out to be.
Furthermore, in Australia rates of marriage per capita are slowly increasing. The overall rate of marriages per capita is expected to neither decrease nor increase from hereon out until 2046. In conjunction with this, the divorce rate is decreasing, and by 2046 it the divorce rate is predicted to be near or identical to pre 1975 (when no-fault divorce was introduced).
I’d also like to point out that in Australia… divorce applications spiked dramatically RIGHT after no-fault divorce was introduced before dropping substantially over the next decade. Divorce rates are trending down ever since. This infers many, MANY people were stuck in unhappy marriages without a way out. In America divorce rates also shot up and have since declined. If no-fault divorce was culpable for needless streams of nasty women divorcing husbands, why was there a spike followed with a decline to near baseline again? Is it not possible no-fault divorce also helped people escape from the shackles of unhappy or verbally abusive marriages?
In an optimised society, I believe people would be getting married and having kids between the ages of 25 and 30. Anything above 40 is too old, anywhere below the age of 25 is too young. 25-30 is the perfect age, and it fits in line with what women who want children seem to believe (26 being the perfect age).
@Andrewgen_Receptors @BrickHead
Here are some stats
UK drug offences per capita, data is similar to US.
Sedative advertisement for housewives
Another advertisement for highly addictive sedatives
Alcohol intake per capita in UK (absolute shit ton)
Alcohol intake across board USA (a lot in 1800s)
Divorce rates dropping in USA
Marriage rate neither decreasing nor increasing in Aus
Divorce rate AUs
Suicide rate in USA per capita
I have been reading into this quite a bit over the past couple of months. Is it not possible that we are all missing something? There is no evidence to suggest male suicides rates (Which have been stagnant for a long time now) has anything to do with incels. If an incel crisis were eventuating, you’d see a huge spike in suicidality over a short period of time. Generally speaking… data on depressive scores, suicides per capita, rates of hard drug abuse barring opiates, rates of violent crime etc doesn’t back up a lot of the ideology outlined here.
I think low marriage rates are mediated by income gaps, financial instability, career centric lifestyles alongside two recessions… one in the 90s and one prolonged recession from 2007-2009. I have also outlined, in detail, why I don’t think it’s advisable to encourage late teens (18-19) and young adults (below 25) to have kids.
Looking forward to hearing your responses 
Tomorrow I will post more about brain structure and function of adolescent men and women in comparison to young adult and adult men and women. Nowadays more and more academics are coming to the consensus that adolescence should be used to describe and individual between the ages of 10-25 as adolescents refers to a period of physical and psychological maturation, a transition into adulthood if you will.
Neurodevelopmental progression associated with physical and psychological manifestations can actually be measured visibly between the ages of 18-25 for most. The change isn’t as big as say the difference from 13 to 20… but it’s a difference that is large enough to be quantitively measured and observed. Furthermore, behavioural patterns and personality traits have been demonstrated to change significantly between these ages.
I have brought up most topics that have been referenced on here in relation to the rise of Tate. If I have glossed over something, just let me know.
I have covered
I’ve backed up my outlook through the implementation of accredited epidemiological analyses published within peer reviewed scientific journals.
Large bodies of peer reviewed literature supervene near idential outcomes across the board. However, epidemiological/observational studies aren’t great.
They rank far higher in validity as opposed to case reports, yet eoidemiological analysis still ranks well below double blind, placebo controlled studies; nor can they out-manouvre meta analysis
With the topic of contention at hand it’d be difficult if not impossible to conduct cohort studies. It would take an absurd amount of dedication and willing participants would have to co operate over decades etc (follow ups etc).
It took me 40-45 minutes to write up the post above this one.
I also want to talk to both of you guys about your perception(s) of crime in America @Andrewgen_Receptors @BrickHead
As you both seem to abide by similar bodies of thought.
I can’t respond in depth today because there will be soccer games for my children and their friend’s birthday party. I believe the appropriate thread for discussion of crime is in the Balkanization thread as I consider that’s the thread for America’s decline. So if and when I respond, I’ll do so there.
Isn’t this thread YOUR thread?
In which case you can discuss whatever you want to discuss? I.e the creator of the thread is the ‘big cheese’ aside from moderators.
If you look at the threads i’ve created you’ll notice I frequently go off track. I deviate from the subject matter being discussed and my thread that is supposed to be situated on one topic becomes a diverse debate encompassing five or six different topics of contention 
If i can find time to, I’ll respond.
Are you into data analysis by chance? You often go deep into numbers looking to correlate trends… You’d have a great brain for machine learning or data analysis.
I reread your post this morning while eating breakfast. I still don’t have time to answer in detail and formulate my thoughts.
But for now, I’ll point out that leaving an emotionally-abusive marriage would be considered at-fault divorce, not no-fault. As you and everyone else here knows, abuse isn’t only physical.
Yes, people were stuck in unhappy marriages, even if neither spouse had no wrongdoings.
No worries, I understand.
I had a day free from college when I wrote that post
I think this guy is part of Andrew Tate’s War Room crew.
This reel popped up on my feed. This stuff is comical.
I actually like J Waller but this wasn’t a great piece of content from him lol.
99.999% of his audience is not wealthy enough to utilize this advice.
Well, he could be a real man and have his non existent wife worry about cooking. It’s amazing how these self described real men behave just like the young people they criticize because gen z doesn’t cook either. Uber eats wasn’t invented for the rich.
And the whole rich people don’t cook line sounds like something a poser would say as I know wealthy people who never eat restaurant food because it’s a waste of money.
It’s like there’s a new version of Trump Derangement Syndrome… Tate Derangement Syndrome.
J Waller is actually relatively wealthy. Of course, people in this thread would have you believe that $50 million net worth is piss in a jar too.
Most people that use “real man” in conversation are women who actually would caste J Waller into this category. Unironically, you did the opposite.
That dude possesses a level of douche-baggery rarely seen in the wild.
Edit:
Like Tate, the only thing that disgusts him more than women are the morons who are making him rich.
