In simultaneously trying to keep the focus on Andrew Tate while indulging in the derail on race—stringing the two topics together—I’ll mention Andrew Tate said in a “short” I saw that “rich people don’t care about race.”
Here I’m being schooled in this thread and by Andrew Tate about how rich people (at least the supposed “real” rich versus fake rich) being superhuman, like gods, free of flamboyance, arrogance, bias, in-group preference, ethnocentrism, and so on. Meanwhile at an old job I had a multimillionaire owner say in conversation, not behind closed doors, “I don’t condone interracial marriage.” That, along with other highly ethnocentric “fake” wealthy people I’ve met, one of them being a Jewish South African expat businessman in the diamond industry (it’s best I not mention what he said).
He would say that because it fits the agenda he’s selling. Ayn Rand said the same thing with regard to the South during the civil rights movement. She claimed, ignorantly, that the racism in the South was from poor white people. Yeah, the same people who didn’t own slaves.
That feeling when you’ve been a watcher of Tate since 2017…
Can’t say I’m a fan, but the man is definitely entertaining and thought-provoking at times. I personally don’t believe he kidnapped women, since that would be an over-the-top and pointless risk when running a webcam biz. That said, I also wouldn’t be surprised haha.
I definitely disagree with the man more than I agree, but I’m wired practically the opposite of him personality-wise so that doesn’t mean much. He’s like Trump for me: hilarious, someone who’d be fun to hang out with, but I’d never support them ideologically. This all said, I’m not surprised at all that more and more men follow him. Modern Western culture is downright mentally damaging for most men, and it’s only going to get worse.
And as a brown guy… You white guys have it worse than Asians/South Asians in the West right now.
Edit: Also, I call bs on Tate’s turn to Islam. Dude was a hardcore athiest for his whole life, then became Orthodox Christian (sometimes would say it’s legit, sometimes would say it’s only for political favors in Romania). And now he’s Muslim. As a long-time watcher, I can safely say that he plays a character.
I think it’s likely bs as well. It works great as a cover for his spoken opinions of women being property though… liberals in the US are all about women’s rights until we bring up Saudi Arabia. I wonder why that is…?
If only feminists would have stopped once they actually had equality, what America might look like today…
Ask yourselves what kind of young man turns to someone like Tate as a mentor or ideal vs someone like Jocko. One is selfish and puts using people ahead of service or sacrifice, is single and on the way to being “that guy” in the club with people half his age and thinks materialism is a method of personal validation. The other served his country, knows about sacrifice for the greater good, believes the strong protect the weak, is a family man and believes personal validation is achieved via spiritual, intellectual and emotional growth. It’s found in the mirror, not the wallet.
The boys who look up to Tate want all of the supposed benefits, or rather entitlements, that come with being a man without any of the obligations. In short, they represent the worst aspects of Gen Z.
Tbf, I think the “current state of men” is more due to the modern economy than anything feminism did. To paraphrase a Tate quote:
An average man in the 50s worked in a factory and could provide for a wife who loved him and kids who respected him. If a man works in a factory now, he’s a loser.
It actually depends on what theme of feminism one refers to. And what you and Tate rightfully took note of is an outgrowth of unrestrained hypergamy, which was once kept in check per-Sexual Revolution. One aspect of the Revolution was pushing women into the workplace in large numbers and what exacerbated was the deindustrialization of the country. Both matters made ordinary men less attractive generally.
Tate does know the deal on some important matters, as is shown in the video by Rehab Room/Incel TV many posts back.
According to whom? A man who worked in a factory in the 50s wasn’t married to Marilyn Monroe and didn’t have a job that had the same prestige as a doctor or lawyer.
As a Millennial born in 1994, that’s unfortunately how many Millennials and Gen Zers would feel about a guy who works in a factory job. To be clear, I don’t feel that way since it’s idiotic to demean the blue-collar workers who make nearly everything required to make the modern world work.
And yeah, while the factory worker in the 50s wasn’t dating a superstar, he was still an average dude who needed nothing more than a high school diploma. And with that “average” job he could support his family and buy a house on his own. An average guy now needs to waste years in college, be in debt, and still can’t be the sole provider due to higher costs of living.
Most men and women are ordinary. Maybe the problem is most people, male and female, don’t want to accept reality. Every young guy thinks he should be having one night stands with models.
This idea right here actually was purveyed in Sexual Revolution, ordinary people being bamboozled to think they can or should screw/date/marry whoever, irrespective of class, attractiveness, background, status, etc. This idea was particularly pushed on women. So what you stated is what I stated in other words, which is why ordinary men bear the brunt of unrestrained hypergamy.
There was a time when it became a man’s dream as he approached high school graduation.
I had visited a town in Burnham/Yeagertown, Pa in the late 1970’s where the perfect job was working at the steel mill that made railroad wheels and axles. It was amazing to hear the conversations in the local bar not far from the mill.
Never heard of Rehab Room or Incel TV, but yeah, back in 2017 he was one of the few talking about issues men faced but were too afraid to talk about in public.
what exacerbated was the deindustrialization of the country
Yep, as someone in STEM, I strongly believe that the average man shouldn’t need 6+ years in college and hundreds of thousands in debt just to get one of the few degrees that allow them to somewhat effectively run their household. Not everyone is cut out for these more intensive degrees, nor should everyone be cut out for them since we still need workers of all different types to run a society.
You can’t expect men to be happy in a society while making it increasingly difficult to be a normal dude who just wants a 9-5, his own house and fishing/grilling on the weekends.
A young girl might dream of being Cinderella but reality eventually replaces dreams. The reason why young people, or young men, feel entitled is they were raised to have every thought and feeling validated. They lack social skills because everywhere they go, from the home to school, is a safe space lacking any conflict to overcome. Their parents do everything for them. They shouldn’t blame the sexual revolution for their lack of resilience or direction or their inability to grow up, but their parents.
being superhuman, like gods, free of flamboyance, arrogance, bias, in-group preference, ethnocentrism, and so on. Meanwhile at an old job I had a multimillionaire owner say in conversation, not behind closed doors, “I don’t condone interracial marriage.” That, along with other highly ethnocentric “fake” wealthy people I’ve met, one of them being a Jewish South African expat businessman in the diamond industry (it’s best I not mention what he said).
Maybe its a “perception is reality” thing, but in my day to day, I’m almost universally greeted with warmth and kindness.