The Andrew Tate Case

Adding to the discussion just above here:

When studying abnormal psychology as part of getting my increasingly useful psych degree, a common pattern emerged with men who kill or attack women.

First, they want sex (naturally) but can’t get it. Maybe they’ve been treated poorly in their attempt to woo women. Maybe they’re not seen as desirable or as valuable mates (short, fat, ugly, socially weird, crap personality, not funny or fun, not successful). Maybe they’ve been done wrong in past relationships: humiliated, cheated on, emasculated.

Second, combine this with a number of other issues – physical abuse or neglect as a child, general sociopathy, “on the spectrum,” etc. – and you get a very bad-tasting stew of ingredients:

They want women and they also hate women.

It eats at them. They’re internally boiling. They’re usually socially isolated. They over-consume porn and get increasingly drawn to the violent or humiliating-to-females variety. Women become “bitches” and “whores”… but not for them (cue more frustration, humiliation, and emasculation).

Mix all that together and you get a man who may hurt a woman, whether he knows her or not. Super common with serial killers who prey on women. (I get a feeling that the guy who killed those college kids in Idaho – Bryan Kohberger – may be one of them.)

And while I’d never really heard of this Tate guy until recently, you can see how he would speak to some of those same broken men at some point in their downward spiral.

Finally, when some of these damaged dudes do get lucky and find their way into women’s panties, it often becomes toxic. They aren’t looking for a wife or girlfriend; they’re looking to put more notches in their bedposts, to conquer, to use. It’s a revenge-driven power trip combined with a destructive level of overcompensation. (Tate?)

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Kind of a sidebar discussion, but a great point nonetheless. There is definitely a feeling by many on the right that moderating your position doesn’t really reduce the amount of fire that you will take.

When Romney and McCain were running for President, they were accused of being racists and misogynists. So then when Trump runs, the ammunition is spent. Jordan Peterson is to Tate as Romney is to Trump.

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I think this is an interesting, and important, aspect about all of the conversations regarding Andrew Tate. I sat and listened to a full 2 hours of Piers Morgan interviewing Tate, along with another hour or so of other content, so I could get a better understanding of who this dude is. I don’t like Tik Tok/ IG reels, and I wanted to see what he’s ‘about’ outside of these 10 seconds clips. And there is absolutely a bigger picture here. My own overall takeaway is still that he’s a piece of shit, because those 10 second reels are still quite awful, and the 90% of his content that isn’t bad is outweighed, in my opinion, by the bad stuff, but I do think that seeing a bit more of what he has to say is important if you’re trying to understand what he’s really all about.

Now that being said… if the accusations against him involving human trafficking/sex crimes/etc are proven to be true, even the ‘good stuff’ looks bad, because it just comes across as a lie at that point.

Andrew… come on man. You really think that? White men don’t have it as good as they used to, but fuck. It’s still the best position to be in.

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Twitter reveals the worst of the worst. Look long enough and you’ll see the video where he physically abuses a cam girl. (Face and intimate body parts are blurred out.) And then in a video shared on Twitter here he explains how he manipulates women into becoming cam girls by having sex with them first. If you have any kiddos around, you’ll want to use headphones to listen to that.

I had no clue! It’s all making sense now. :see_no_evil_monkey:

It’s strange how different social media platforms seem to show one side of him more than the other. I have seen some videos where he was seemingly normal… or even just narcissistic and shallow.

But then there’s the darker stuff, like what I posted above in the response to @Andrewgen_Receptors. Tate goes in depth about how he recruits his cam girls.

Is the cam girl business illegal? Not that I’m aware of. Is what he’s doing within it disturbing? YES. I have no idea if the sex trafficking accusations are true, but based on the darker videos that pop up on Twitter, it wouldn’t surprise me.

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In what ways do you feel like you’re being oppressed due to your race and gender? Genuinely curious.

This is exactly what hustlers university was.

By being part of the UnIvErSiTy of men mentored by Tate, you were encouraged to spread his content to a wider audience

And obviously you’d have the odd guy who Tate would directly single out to mentor, the ensuing result being that a tiny minority of those who attended HuStLeRs UnIvErSiTy actually did benefit greatly

This helps legitimise the pyramid scheme in the eyes of the masses who decide to purchase this BS mEnToRiNg. Whereas 99.99% of members get absolutely nothing out of it.

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Absolutely! Insecure people seem to care the most about impressing others. It’s weird though that he’d continue being insecure since he’s already on top within his niche. He already has the sparkly man jewelry, he’s got the private jets, and he has captured the attention of the adoring incels.

Yes, I think that societally - white men are given no leniency at all. I would have no problem with this if it were applied evenly to everyone, but it isn’t. CRT’s wheel of division puts white christian men at the worst of oppressors - even if they’re poor. We simply cannot act like CRT hasn’t crept into many facets of everyday life.

I also do not think socioecomomics support the claim that white straight men have it best of everyone, but you’re welcome to prove me wrong.

An infographic on intersectionality

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The morons/shills on CNBC (I think it was Cramer) actually said this guy might be a modern day JP Morgan, believe it or not. (when SBF claimed he was going to bail out or prop up some other crypto thingiemajig that mere mortals can’t understand blah blah LOLLLLL)

Pretty sure JP Morgan never lived in a “frugal” fashion…

Oppressed isn’t the right term… “Discriminated against” is more accurate. I should have chosen a better term.

Systemically:

  • College admissions (race)
  • California passed a bill requiring CEO boards diversify (it was struck down, but the fact that it made it as far as it had should say something - race and gender)
  • US divorce laws (not to mention custody - gender)

Societally:

  • I can say “black lives matter” and everyone cheers, but if I say “white lives matter”… both stances are ridiculous to have BTW, if you have to name a color - YOU’RE the problem.
  • Every.Single.Other.Group gets to claim they are oppressed and sympathy is abundant. A white guy says he’s oppressed - eyes start rolling. I don’t think anyone in america is truly oppressed, I think we all have legal equality of opportunity… but I think this is fading as many seek equality of outcome.
  • BIPOC sounds like a term of inclusion, except what it really means is “everyone except whites”. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I could go on, but it’s just me bitching into the digital landscape where someone will come along, pull a quote from this comment and spin it until I come out racist and self-victimising. No one gives a shit about the issues of white men (which I would be TOTALLY FINE WITH if we applied this evenly). I’m sure this will be one of my most disliked posts.

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As a white-adjacent Asian…, I 100% agree with this.

@Andrewgen_Receptors

You (genuinely) think that because you live in California, and because imho you’re probably spending way too much time on social media -where every “woke” dumbass pos action or position is highlighted and blown up. And I say all this as someone who mostly watches Fox news channels lol.

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I’m only on here and another forum. I have no facebook or instagram, only use YT for gym stuff or other educational needs (programming). I don’t watch Fox.

See above comment with details, but I get the impression that your reading this won’t make you like me any more than current.

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I find it hard to believe most Americans are still pro blacks lives matter. The creators of BLM have openly exclaimed they’re Marxists. If there’s anything that will piss off many American’s fairly quickly… it’s communism, socialism, marxism and fascism.

You guys can’t even get universal healthcare because apparently that’s “communism”.

The organisation also supports some fairly radical movements, BDS being one (boycott, divestment and sanctions). BDS is an anti-Israel and if you ask me (and many politicians, historians etc) an explicitly anti-semitic organisation.

This will further put off quite a large portion of Americans.

If I recall, recent surveys indicate only 44% of Americans express any degree of support for BLM.

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Notice I put “live in Ca” first! Even if you are not on socail media, I’m going to guess that you are the outlier in your environment. And I do believe in the “you are a product of your environment” cliche. In your case, an adverse reaction to your environment.

I lived for 15 years in the Bay Area, you’d have to pay me to live there now.

Aren’t they paying the homeless to live there already?

I’m not homeless, yet.

I remember reading something about the algorithms on YT, TikTok, even Snapchat. Some people made fake accounts, and only entered in their ages and genders. They didn’t like anything, follow anything, watch things multiple times, basically didn’t do anything to show that they “liked” any specific type of content. Simply by being a male within a certain age range (preteen/teen to 25 or so?) got them exposed to largely pornographic/near-pornographic and misogynistic material, i.e. scantily clad girls dancing and Tate/Bilzerian types of dudes.

My girlfriend looks at TikToks of makeup and home design stuff mostly. She’d never heard of Tate and had never seen a girl twerking or doing the WAP dance on her own recommended content. I don’t use social media but I know that the guys I know see that stuff almost constantly. (I’m sure many of them rewatch and like it, haha, which will influence it.)

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It’s not that most are pro-BLM, it’s the reaction to being anti-BLM or even saying “All Lives Matter”.

_________ Lives Matter.
^if you name one race here, you’re racist.

You think 44% of people supporting a flagrantly corrupt organization is not significant?