You guys should get together with the rest of the Right to Lifers and devise a plan to stop abortions that doesn’t involve calling scared 19 year old girls “Whore” and “murderer!” when they go in to a Planned Parenthood center. If you came up with a compassionate and viable way of doing things, and redirected some of your vast institutional wealth at making it a reality you might actually stop some abortions.[/quote]
Explain to me how killing a person is a compassionate way of doing things?
Why part of ‘killing a human being’ doesn’t make sense to you. By your logic, somebody yelling names and insults suddenly make a person, not a person.
I guess this goes along with your reasoning that because some people in poor coutries treat life cheaply, it is therefore cheap. I am sure that makes all kinds of sense until it’s your life or a loved one’s life, that is regarded as cheap, then I bet it’s suddenly not cheap.
Places where comprehensive sex education is taught (which includes contraception use) have much lower rates of teen pregnancy than places where abstinence-only education is taught (Contraception use is not taught).
“How can you claim there’s nothing wrong with abortion, but then claim in an ideal world there would be none? If you support abortion, in your ideal world, there should abortion clinics connected to gas stations.”
I claim this the same way I think about Country Music, people can choose to listen to it all they want, but in an ideal world it would not exist. With that in mind, and me saying “I support the right of people to listen to country music” it certainly does not logically follow that I would want ALL the stations to be country music stations (you can replace country music stations with social conservatives and you still get the same answer).
And abortion rates have been dropping for over 30 years, so there is that.
My conscience is clear (at least with regards to this), and it will remain so.[/quote]It is almost impossible for me to believe I just read this. We have fallen this far?
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Tribulus,
What did I say now? Are you going to say that I think country music and abortion are the same in my mind? I hope not, I hope you look at my quote in response to Pat and realize I was making a point that supporting a person’s right to choose something does not mean that I like what they choose or that I want what they choose to be on every corner.[/quote]
Supporting a persons ability to have an abortion makes you culpable to some degree. Being an enabler is a participation in the act. When you finally do figure out that abortion is killing, you will realize this.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also access to contraception as a whole has increased dramatically.[/quote]
The abortions should have decreased dramatically and they have not.[/quote]
And they have.
From the link you posted.
“In 2005 we had an abortion rate of 19.4 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44,” said Rachel Jones, a senior research associate with the group and the study’s lead author. That’s down “considerably” from a high point of 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women in 1980, she said.
“It may be that women with unintended pregnancies are finding it more difficult to obtain the procedure, she said, but it could also be that women are doing a better job of using contraception.”
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Also access to contraception as a whole has increased dramatically.[/quote]
The abortions should have decreased dramatically and they have not.[/quote]
And they have.
From the link you posted.
“In 2005 we had an abortion rate of 19.4 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44,” said Rachel Jones, a senior research associate with the group and the study’s lead author. That’s down “considerably” from a high point of 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women in 1980, she said.
“It may be that women with unintended pregnancies are finding it more difficult to obtain the procedure, she said, but it could also be that women are doing a better job of using contraception.”
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Also from the link:
“Still, 13 percent of women now use an abortion pill to end their pregnancies. That number is rising fast, and it alarms members of the anti-abortion community.”
If true that makes abortion rates actually higher not lower.
You don’t have to hack 'em up and suck them out with a Hoover for that to be an abortion.
Places where comprehensive sex education is taught (which includes contraception use) have much lower rates of teen pregnancy than places where abstinence-only education is taught (Contraception use is not taught).
Who’s talking about sex education? We’re talking about taking human life.
Does sex ed, have a bearing on whether the in utero human is a human life? Does education change what something is?
For the record I am not for ‘abstinence’ only sex education. I am for the education not rendering an opinion on the matter, actually. That’s goes down the path of programming rather than educating.
Places where comprehensive sex education is taught (which includes contraception use) have much lower rates of teen pregnancy than places where abstinence-only education is taught (Contraception use is not taught).
Who’s talking about sex education? We’re talking about taking human life.
Does sex ed, have a bearing on whether the in utero human is a human life? Does education change what something is?
For the record I am not for ‘abstinence’ only sex education. I am for the education not rendering an opinion on the matter, actually. That’s goes down the path of programming rather than educating.
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Holy shit.
People who are taught about contraception and more likely to use contraception than those who don’t.
The use of contraception prevents unwanted pregnancies.
Glad you believe destruction of a few million lives is a great decrease. And guess what? The population has increased quite a bit compared to the 1980’s, even with millions of lives killed every year in the name of “convenience.”
[quote]therajraj wrote: No it hasn’t, it has decreased greatly.
In 1980 29.3 women per 1000 were having abortions. Now that number is 19.
Multiply that out for the female US population and you’ll see that number is huge.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Glad you believe destruction of a few million lives is a great decrease. And guess what? The population has increased quite a bit compared to the 1980’s, even with millions of lives killed every year in the name of “convenience.”
[quote]therajraj wrote: No it hasn’t, it has decreased greatly.
In 1980 29.3 women per 1000 were having abortions. Now that number is 19.
Multiply that out for the female US population and you’ll see that number is huge.[/quote]
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The number of abortions reported reported to the CDC in 1980 was 1,297,606.
The number of abortions reported reported to the CDC in 2008 was 825,564.
During that period the US population increased by over 82 million people.
Not even pro-lifers agree contraception = abortion
Among those who are ideologically opposed to abortion, there is much debate about whether hormone-based birth control methods can result in an abortion. The point of contention centers on the question of whether or not the thinning of the uterine lining is sufficient to prevent implantation. If you go to the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists website, you will find two different position papers on this subject. One portion of their membership believes that birth control pills are abortifacient, and the other portion believes that, while the condition of the uterus is altered, it does not thereby prevent implantation.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I will only stop when the slaughter of innocent children has stopped. Wanting me to accept anything else is like moving the goal posts.
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No one is asking you to stop. But rather affirm what you (and others) are doing is working. I mean I’m pretty sure Raj is kinda on your side about this part of the issue, lol.
I believe what they are saying is: “Hey, look, education (what you are trying to do I assume) about this whole ‘having sex’ thing is working, and the rates are going down.”
Change doesn’t happen over night.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You fail to understand that MOST contraceptives are in fact abortifacient.
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So, what is acceptable contraception in your opinion?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Don’t forget Trib, liberals believe abortion is no different than choosing chocolate or vanilla ice cream.
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Well getting to choose is better than government making the choice for us right? I think Ron Paul would agree.[/quote]
Yes, a person has a choice, they are endowed with a free will. However, saying someone has a choice in the matter has no bearing on whether doing that action is right or wrong, it just states the fact that they have a free will.