Giving Away National Sovereignty?

Thoughts, feelings, rants, raves? I’m naturally thinking, hell no. Never.

"LONDON (Reuters) - A global financial regulator is an option to consider as it may not be possible for national regulators to resolve policy disputes through co-operation, a senior U.S. Democratic member of Congress told the Financial Times.

Representative Barney Frank said in comments published on Monday that co-operation between, for example, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) was good in theory.

“Joint action is theoretically (good) but what does that mean? In American baseball, if the runner and the ball arrive at the base at the same time, the tie goes to the fielder. Who breaks a tie if there is a disagreement over policy between the SEC and FSA?” he said.

Asked if a supra-national regulator would be needed, Frank told the FT: “I don’t know. At this point that’s something to look into.”

His comments contrasted with the views of the SEC, the newspaper said noting that its chairman, Christopher Cox had flagged increased co-operation with foreign regulators.

Frank is widely expected to become chairman of the House Financial Services Committee if Democrats regain control of the chamber in next month’s U.S. election. He is now the top Democrat on the panel, which oversees most U.S. banking regulations."

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Thoughts, feelings, rants, raves? I’m naturally thinking, hell no. Never.

"LONDON (Reuters) - A global financial regulator is an option to consider as it may not be possible for national regulators to resolve policy disputes through co-operation, a senior U.S. Democratic member of Congress told the Financial Times.

Representative Barney Frank said in comments published on Monday that co-operation between, for example, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) was good in theory.

“Joint action is theoretically (good) but what does that mean? In American baseball, if the runner and the ball arrive at the base at the same time, the tie goes to the fielder. Who breaks a tie if there is a disagreement over policy between the SEC and FSA?” he said.

Asked if a supra-national regulator would be needed, Frank told the FT: “I don’t know. At this point that’s something to look into.”

His comments contrasted with the views of the SEC, the newspaper said noting that its chairman, Christopher Cox had flagged increased co-operation with foreign regulators.

Frank is widely expected to become chairman of the House Financial Services Committee if Democrats regain control of the chamber in next month’s U.S. election. He is now the top Democrat on the panel, which oversees most U.S. banking regulations."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlebusiness.aspx?storyid=2006-10-30T020118Z_01_L30237554_RTRUKOC_0_UK-FINANCIAL-BANKS-FRANK.xml&type=businessNews&WTmodLoc=Business-C3-More-4
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The GOP will retain the house anyway.

I thought you were a Libertarian but you only attack Democrats…

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Thoughts, feelings, rants, raves? I’m naturally thinking, hell no. Never.

"LONDON (Reuters) - A global financial regulator is an option to consider as it may not be possible for national regulators to resolve policy disputes through co-operation, a senior U.S. Democratic member of Congress told the Financial Times.

Representative Barney Frank said in comments published on Monday that co-operation between, for example, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) was good in theory.

“Joint action is theoretically (good) but what does that mean? In American baseball, if the runner and the ball arrive at the base at the same time, the tie goes to the fielder. Who breaks a tie if there is a disagreement over policy between the SEC and FSA?” he said.

Asked if a supra-national regulator would be needed, Frank told the FT: “I don’t know. At this point that’s something to look into.”

His comments contrasted with the views of the SEC, the newspaper said noting that its chairman, Christopher Cox had flagged increased co-operation with foreign regulators.

Frank is widely expected to become chairman of the House Financial Services Committee if Democrats regain control of the chamber in next month’s U.S. election. He is now the top Democrat on the panel, which oversees most U.S. banking regulations."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlebusiness.aspx?storyid=2006-10-30T020118Z_01_L30237554_RTRUKOC_0_UK-FINANCIAL-BANKS-FRANK.xml&type=businessNews&WTmodLoc=Business-C3-More-4

The GOP will retain the house anyway.

I thought you were a Libertarian but you only attack Democrats…[/quote]

Hmm, I’m pretty sure I’ve shared my feelings on the big spending habits of republicans. I could be wrong, just seems like I recall doing so. And I believe I’ve taken stances on social issues, way off from a rebulican platform. But, in case I haven’t, here’s a summary of Sloth’s ideology.

First, to clarify (to the best that I can), the label I’d pin on myself.

Conservative Catholic, Pro-life Libertarian.

How does that it work, you ask? Ok, maybe you didn’t, but I’ll explain anyways. The following is my opinion. Alot of it will be based on religious beliefs and Libertarian beliefs.

Is prostitution a sin? Absolutely! Should it be a crime? No. Jesus didn’t call for the prostitue to be jailed, after having saved her from being stoned to death. It’s a sin between consenting adults. Jurisdiction of God? Yes. Jurisdiction of man? No.

Drugs? For the most part, legalization. I’m not sure about the more personality altering drugs, such as PcP. If violent personality changes are a wide-spread side effect, no. And no, I don’t use any drugs. Well, on extremely rare occassions, I’ll have a beer.

Homosexuality: Sin. Consenting adults though. Their rights should be protected. No sodomy laws.

Gay marriage: Privately, they should have that right. Though, I’m free to not recognize it. I believe it’s best to remove government from marriage. More of a Libertarian principle. I feel it’s a position that protects Homosexuals’ individual freedoms, and Christians, believe it or not.

Entitlement programs: Sin! And government intrusion. Charity is an act of grace! But, stealing from your neighbor to give to the poor is theft. Even if using the government as the coercive FORCE to carry it out.

Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.[/quote]

Only if a nasciturus is seen as a human being in the legal sense of the word.

Your ideas that a lump of cells is a human being is a religious one that is not necessarily shared by other libertarians.

I can hardly be for rights for a person I do not think exists.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.[/quote]

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not be any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

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Hate to remind you, but the Libertarian party doesn’t have an abortion platform. Abortion also conflicts with major principles of Libertarianism. I’ll share this website.

http://www.l4l.org/

[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:

Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Only if a nasciturus is seen as a human being in the legal sense of the word.

Your ideas that a lump of cells is a human being is a religious one that is not necessarily shared by other libertarians.

I can hardly be for rights for a person I do not think exists. [/quote]

Test for for DNA. It’s human. Not the DNA of it’s parents, but it’s own individual DNA. It’s merely one developmental stage throughout a human being’s life. Such as, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, eldery. It’s one stage in that chain. And being that Libertarian philosophy revolves around non-agression, they mostly fail when it comes to abortion.

http://www.l4l.org/

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

[/quote]

MD,

Sloth wants discussions to be civil. I like that idea and am trying to be more civil, which is difficult in this forum, and especially with you. How about acting a little more like an adult?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

MD,

Sloth wants discussions to be civil. I like that idea and am trying to be more civil, which is difficult in this forum, and especially with you. How about acting a little more like an adult?

[/quote]

I call BS until I see otherwise from you and any of your RWN pals.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

Hate to remind you, but the Libertarian party doesn’t have an abortion platform. Abortion also conflicts with major principles of Libertarianism. I’ll share this website.

http://www.l4l.org/

[/quote]

Who pays for investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating those accused of abortion?

I refuse to have my tax dollars go to pay for this.

Please explain to me how Libertarians feel about taxing me so morals can be made into laws.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

MD,

Sloth wants discussions to be civil. I like that idea and am trying to be more civil, which is difficult in this forum, and especially with you. How about acting a little more like an adult?

I call BS until I see otherwise from you and any of your RWN pals.[/quote]

He is always civil and I’m trying to be. Join the party? It IS possible to discuss things w/o rancor.

There, I responded to you as if we were gentlemen. It was difficult. Now, sack up and try it.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not be any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

[/quote]

Do you ever think? The amount of logical falacies you include in your so called “arguments” are almost impossbile to follow. Don’t like the line of questioning, you insult the author and make assumptions about the whole person based on a few lines of text.

Don’t have an answer to the question, you throw in something totally irrelavent to the conversation but present it as facts relavent to the argument.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Thoughts, feelings, rants, raves? I’m naturally thinking, hell no. Never.

"LONDON (Reuters) - A global financial regulator is an option to consider as it may not be possible for national regulators to resolve policy disputes through co-operation, a senior U.S. Democratic member of Congress told the Financial Times.

Representative Barney Frank said in comments published on Monday that co-operation between, for example, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Financial Services Authority (FSA) was good in theory.

“Joint action is theoretically (good) but what does that mean? In American baseball, if the runner and the ball arrive at the base at the same time, the tie goes to the fielder. Who breaks a tie if there is a disagreement over policy between the SEC and FSA?” he said.

Asked if a supra-national regulator would be needed, Frank told the FT: “I don’t know. At this point that’s something to look into.”

His comments contrasted with the views of the SEC, the newspaper said noting that its chairman, Christopher Cox had flagged increased co-operation with foreign regulators.

Frank is widely expected to become chairman of the House Financial Services Committee if Democrats regain control of the chamber in next month’s U.S. election. He is now the top Democrat on the panel, which oversees most U.S. banking regulations."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlebusiness.aspx?storyid=2006-10-30T020118Z_01_L30237554_RTRUKOC_0_UK-FINANCIAL-BANKS-FRANK.xml&type=businessNews&WTmodLoc=Business-C3-More-4

The GOP will retain the house anyway.

I thought you were a Libertarian but you only attack Democrats…

Hmm, I’m pretty sure I’ve shared my feelings on the big spending habits of republicans. I could be wrong, just seems like I recall doing so. And I believe I’ve taken stances on social issues, way off from a rebulican platform. But, in case I haven’t, here’s a summary of Sloth’s ideology.

First, to clarify (to the best that I can), the label I’d pin on myself.

Conservative Catholic, Pro-life Libertarian.

How does that it work, you ask? Ok, maybe you didn’t, but I’ll explain anyways. The following is my opinion. Alot of it will be based on religious beliefs and Libertarian beliefs.

Is prostitution a sin? Absolutely! Should it be a crime? No. Jesus didn’t call for the prostitue to be jailed, after having saved her from being stoned to death. It’s a sin between consenting adults. Jurisdiction of God? Yes. Jurisdiction of man? No.

Drugs? For the most part, legalization. I’m not sure about the more personality altering drugs, such as PcP. If violent personality changes are a wide-spread side effect, no. And no, I don’t use any drugs. Well, on extremely rare occassions, I’ll have a beer.

Homosexuality: Sin. Consenting adults though. Their rights should be protected. No sodomy laws.

Gay marriage: Privately, they should have that right. Though, I’m free to not recognize it. I believe it’s best to remove government from marriage. More of a Libertarian principle. I feel it’s a position that protects Homosexuals’ individual freedoms, and Christians, believe it or not.

Entitlement programs: Sin! And government intrusion. Charity is an act of grace! But, stealing from your neighbor to give to the poor is theft. Even if using the government as the coercive FORCE to carry it out.

Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.[/quote]

Sloth, I solved the problem of political affiliation. I subscribe to nobody and align my thoughts with the truth not a political ideology. No political party supports everything I believe to be true so I associate with only one, The Pat Party. The only good thing about Republicans is that they are not Democrats. Libritarians are by far better, but you still find your self shoe-horning your own beliefs to fit the political ideology. You are a pro-life, Catholic, member of the Sloth party.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not be any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

Do you ever think? The amount of logical falacies you include in your so called “arguments” are almost impossbile to follow. Don’t like the line of questioning, you insult the author and make assumptions about the whole person based on a few lines of text.

Don’t have an answer to the question, you throw in something totally irrelavent to the conversation but present it as facts relavent to the argument.
[/quote]

Stop stalking me.

I am already married and I am not inclined to date men.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Test for for DNA. It’s human. Not the DNA of it’s parents, but it’s own individual DNA. It’s merely one developmental stage throughout a human being’s life. Such as, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, eldery. It’s one stage in that chain. And being that Libertarian philosophy revolves around non-agression, they mostly fail when it comes to abortion.

http://www.l4l.org/
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DNA is irrelevent. All biological mass contains DNA.

Life begins at birth. A fetus is not alive becasue an organism that cannot exist without the existance of it’s “parent” matter is not living–symbiotically speaking. If I cut my arm off it cannot live by itself. If, however, my arm was able to “function” without me to support it’s need then we have an individual life form and subsequently we can start talking about it’s rights. Fetuses have no rights.

Ghastly. Nuff said.

"Leading doctors today called for a major overhaul to avoid babies being born alive after abortions.

Pregnancy expert Professor Stuart Campbell has demanded rules should be tightened after it was revealed that at least nine babies are known to have survived terminations in recent years.

He said injections that were supposed to end their lives in the womb failed to do so - and he called for stricter regulations to be enforced on the methods of abortion.

Professor Campbell said that all abortions carried out after 18 weeks of pregnancy should include an injection, followed by drugs, to induce labour and a stillborn child.

Some consultants only give the injection in abortions after 22 weeks. Others, he claims, do not use it at all.

Professor Campbell, who worked as an obstetrician at St George’s Hospital-Tooting, and pioneered 4D scanning of babies in the womb at the Create Health Centre for Reproduction and Advanced Technology in London, said: "It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth.

"If after 18 weeks you just induce labour (without an injection first) a large number would be born with a heartbeat and most of them will survive with a heartbeat and will make movements.

"Certainly from 18 weeks they should inject the heart to stop it from beating, but not everyone does this. Guidance should be given by the Royal College.

“There are cases where the injection does not work but this is very rare.”

One baby with Down’s Syndrome was to be aborted at a hospital in the home counties but lived. It was transferred to St George’s Hospital, where it received neonatal intensive care and survived. It is believed to have been adopted.

Next week a motion is being tabled at the British Medical Association conference that babies should be entitled to all the intensive care that babies born prematurely receive. Consultant obstetrician-Jim Thornton said in the past babies were born alive after abortion more regularly but “people didn’t make a fuss and pretended not to realise the baby was born alive”.

He said that if a baby were to be born alive and viable then it must be given medical help but there was a “grey area” where babies born in this manner at 22 or 23 weeks were on the cusp of being able to survive. Only 17 per cent of babies born normally at 23 weeks survive.

Professor Thornton, of City Hospital, Nottingham, said: "Once it is born, you can’t kill the baby but the law doesn’t say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it.

“The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully.”

Professor Campbell does not believe that a baby born in this way should be kept alive at all costs.

“What paediatricians do is spend resources keeping a baby that is going to die, alive. It is absolute nonsense. It does show that is up to us (obstetricians) to make sure the baby is not moving.”

Guidance issued by the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecologists states that a legal abortion must not be allowed to result in a live birth.

But Professor Campbell says it does not make clear at what stage it is necessary to stop the heartbeat before abortion."

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Test for for DNA. It’s human. Not the DNA of it’s parents, but it’s own individual DNA. It’s merely one developmental stage throughout a human being’s life. Such as, fetus, infant, adolescent, adult, eldery. It’s one stage in that chain. And being that Libertarian philosophy revolves around non-agression, they mostly fail when it comes to abortion.

http://www.l4l.org/

DNA is irrelevent. All biological mass contains DNA.

Life begins at birth. A fetus is not alive becasue an organism that cannot exist without the existance of it’s “parent” matter is not living–symbiotically speaking. If I cut my arm off it cannot live by itself. If, however, my arm was able to “function” without me to support it’s need then we have an individual life form and subsequently we can start talking about it’s rights. Fetuses have no rights. [/quote]

Is a fetus one developmental stage of an INDIVIDUAL human being’s life cycle. Yes, or no?

Please don’t answer in haste. Think on it. Read a bit, concerning the biology of an indivual human’s development, from womb to grave. Then answer honestly, no matter how challenging the answer will be to your belief system.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Abortion: Sin and should be illegal. And, it’s where I think most Libertarians fall short of their own beliefs.

Any questions? I’ll try to answer.

Pro-life Libertarian.

You can not any more F’ing obtuse.

What a joke.

Hate to remind you, but the Libertarian party doesn’t have an abortion platform. Abortion also conflicts with major principles of Libertarianism. I’ll share this website.

http://www.l4l.org/

Who pays for investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating those accused of abortion?

I refuse to have my tax dollars go to pay for this.

Please explain to me how Libertarians feel about taxing me so morals can be made into laws.[/quote]

Well, pro-life Libertarians feel the same way about spending tax dollars to protect any innocent human being’s right to life. It’s one of the few legit roles of government.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

DNA is irrelevent. All biological mass contains DNA.

Life begins at birth. A fetus is not alive becasue an organism that cannot exist without the existance of it’s “parent” matter is not living–symbiotically speaking.

If I cut my arm off it cannot live by itself. If, however, my arm was able to “function” without me to support it’s need then we have an individual life form and subsequently we can start talking about it’s rights. Fetuses have no rights. [/quote]

A baby after birth cannot live by it self either. And what do you call it when the baby is half way out? If I stuffed you up your mom’s pussy, would you cease being human?

[quote]Sloth wrote:

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Who pays the medical cost for attending to a premature baby if the parents can not pay?

I guess you expect me to pay for it.

How Libertarian of you.