That’s what happens when you measure your success by how much weight your gaining on a scale.
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[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
That’s what happens when you measure your success by how much weight your gaining on a scale. [/quote]
Didn’t read the thread, did ya?
Yes. I understand it to it’s entirety. Thank you.
it’s the hair, man… really made the difference! LOLZ
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Yes. I understand it to it’s entirety. Thank you.[/quote]
So you don’t think the before (1st pic posted) and after (2nd posted pic) shows good progress for someone who was in a bike accident and couldn’t train for part of the time in between?
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion and you are in better shape, I’m just wondering where the ‘scale weight = bad indication of progress’ comment stems from.
The OP kept his calorie intake high in an effort to ‘progress’ even while he wasn’t able to hit the gym hard. His high cal’s and mindset that gaining weight equals progression is where the comment stem’d from. Jacked back though bonez I think you’ve passed your nickname awhile ago.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Yes. I understand it to it’s entirety. Thank you.
So you don’t think the before (1st pic posted) and after (2nd posted pic) shows good progress for someone who was in a bike accident and couldn’t train for part of the time in between?
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion and you are in better shape, I’m just wondering where the ‘scale weight = bad indication of progress’ comment stems from. [/quote]
…not to mention that paying attention to scale weight is a requirement as a newb and even intermediate unless your goals are very close to where you are already.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
The OP kept his calorie intake high in an effort to ‘progress’ even while he wasn’t able to hit the gym hard. His high cal’s and mindset that gaining weight equals progression is where the comment stem’d from. Jacked back though bonez I think you’ve passed your nickname awhile ago.[/quote]
The ‘fat’ picture (the 3rd pic post IIRC) is taken in between the first two. So you’ve decided to judge his effort to gain mass without considering the ‘after’ picture. What sense does that make? IMO there are two choices when one is faced with the inability to lift weights (due to unavoidable circumstance); eat enough to hold the mass you have and gain some fat (if not blessed with the genetics to stay lean), OR eat like a non-lifter and watch the muscle disappear. It’s an individual choice.
I don’t think you can argue that the before and after pictures don’t show progress. It is nothing earth shattering but it is progress none the less, especially for someone in a motorcycle accident.
I think you are letting your experience with anabolics cloud your judgement on how natural trainers should approach muscle gain. Not a dig at you, I’m just saying…
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
The OP kept his calorie intake high in an effort to ‘progress’ even while he wasn’t able to hit the gym hard. His high cal’s and mindset that gaining weight equals progression is where the comment stem’d from. Jacked back though bonez I think you’ve passed your nickname awhile ago.
The ‘fat’ picture (the 3rd pic post IIRC) is taken in between the first two. So you’ve decided to judge his effort to gain mass without considering the ‘after’ picture. What sense does that make? IMO there are two choices when one is faced with the inability to lift weights (due to unavoidable circumstance); eat enough to hold the mass you have and gain some fat (if not blessed with the genetics to stay lean), OR eat like a non-lifter and watch the muscle disappear. It’s an individual choice.
I don’t think you can argue that the before and after pictures don’t show progress. It is nothing earth shattering but it is progress none the less, especially for someone in a motorcycle accident.
I think you are letting your experience with anabolics cloud your judgement on how natural trainers should approach muscle gain. Not a dig at you, I’m just saying… [/quote]
I didn’t take what he said the same way you did. I took it as… its already been said that the OP pulled it out in the end so good for him but just making the point that there is a lesson in that he ate a bit too much during the layoff as the OP said himself. But I could be wrong any prob should of stayed out of it. lol.
[quote]DJS wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
The OP kept his calorie intake high in an effort to ‘progress’ even while he wasn’t able to hit the gym hard. His high cal’s and mindset that gaining weight equals progression is where the comment stem’d from. Jacked back though bonez I think you’ve passed your nickname awhile ago.
The ‘fat’ picture (the 3rd pic post IIRC) is taken in between the first two. So you’ve decided to judge his effort to gain mass without considering the ‘after’ picture. What sense does that make? IMO there are two choices when one is faced with the inability to lift weights (due to unavoidable circumstance); eat enough to hold the mass you have and gain some fat (if not blessed with the genetics to stay lean), OR eat like a non-lifter and watch the muscle disappear. It’s an individual choice.
I don’t think you can argue that the before and after pictures don’t show progress. It is nothing earth shattering but it is progress none the less, especially for someone in a motorcycle accident.
I think you are letting your experience with anabolics cloud your judgement on how natural trainers should approach muscle gain. Not a dig at you, I’m just saying…
I didn’t take what he said the same way you did. I took it as… its already been said that the OP pulled it out in the end so good for him but just making the point that there is a lesson in that he ate a bit too much during the layoff as the OP said himself. But I could be wrong any prob should of stayed out of it. lol.[/quote]
Ohh okay. I didn’t see it that way.
Did you just underhandedly accuse me of taking steroids?
0o0o w00t w00t. THat third pic looks like me after culinary school 3 years ago
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Did you just underhandedly accuse me of taking steroids?[/quote]
There was really nothing underhanded about it.
If you want to admit or deny so be it. I don’t give a shit.
My comment doesn’t have to apply exclusively to someone who has used. Someone (a natural that has a training partner on AAS, for example) who has witnessed the dramatic improvements made in a short time by a steroid user can become jaded as to what progress looks like in an unassisted lifter that doesn’t possess elite genetics.
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Was there nothing else in my post worth responding to? Care to explain what you actually meant when you said that scale weight isn’t a good way to measure progress?
I have been around countless natural athletes myself included who have made AMAZING progress without having to go overboard with fat gain… Albeit it happens from time to time, this is bodybuilding and you MUST experiment on what works best for you! …You really shouldn’t go around accusing people of things like anabolic use, especially if you dont give a shit, other people may care.
What I’m saying doesn’t need an explanation just re-read and understand.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
I have been around countless natural athletes myself included who have made AMAZING progress without having to go overboard with fat gain.[/quote]
Do you have any after pics?
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
I have been around countless natural athletes myself included who have made AMAZING progress without having to go overboard with fat gain… Albeit it happens from time to time, this is bodybuilding and you MUST experiment on what works best for you! …You really shouldn’t go around accusing people of things like anabolic use, especially if you dont give a shit, other people may care.
What I’m saying doesn’t need an explanation just re-read and understand.[/quote]
I haven’t accused you of anything. I have merely skimmed through a few pages of your post history.
And I’ve already said that in the particular circumstance the OP was/is in his progress was noticeable but not “earth shattering”.
You’re an annoying little liar. Say what you want but your post history speaks for itself.
I’m not sure that this thread is really going anywhere at this point but I’ll stop posting in it just in case.
[quote]Ducket wrote:
LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
I have been around countless natural athletes myself included who have made AMAZING progress without having to go overboard with fat gain.
Do you have any after pics?[/quote]
I guess we all have our own version of what “AMAZING” is.
Amazing progress… thanks X.
[quote]LilDaDDyDreW wrote:
Amazing progress… thanks X.[/quote]
That wasn’t an insult. You look to be in great shape that few people here could get to. However, when I think of AMAZING in terms of bodybuilding, I think of much more size than that. That is all there is to it.