I did a six week cycle of hp mass and didn’t notice much from it in terms of strength or size. But it’s principles of fast lifting have been how I’ve always trained so maybe I just need a different kind of stimulus. I’ve always either made the lift with speed or I don’t get the lift I don’t know if that’s good or bad but I don’t have much of a grinding point I guess you could say like ct talks about. I either get it up in one motion or it just doesn’t go. Don’t get me wrong I get slower on near maximal lifts but not drastically or a grind. I have seen good results with Canadian bear though. I want to give hp mass another go though because everyone praises it so much.
anyone know why this program only focuses on eccentric-less for legs? I am contemplating throwing in some upper-body eccentric-less pressing by way of tire flips. In fact maybe drop the upper body press movement on leg days and instead combine my sled work with the tire flips.
To me it kinda makes sense with the explosive nature of tire flips (my tire is a 20.5 so not overly massive) fitting in well with this program (no grinding of reps).
Its also conveinient for me cause i store my tire at the local park where i do my sled work.
Thoughts?
[quote]dudsman wrote:
anyone know why this program only focuses on eccentric-less for legs? I am contemplating throwing in some upper-body eccentric-less pressing by way of tire flips. In fact maybe drop the upper body press movement on leg days and instead combine my sled work with the tire flips.
To me it kinda makes sense with the explosive nature of tire flips (my tire is a 20.5 so not overly massive) fitting in well with this program (no grinding of reps).
Its also conveinient for me cause i store my tire at the local park where i do my sled work.
Thoughts?
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I don’t know what you mean, HP Mass has lots of core leg work, squats, deadlifts, and leg presses involved. CT is a big advocate of doing eccentric less work in conjunction with this program.
Jaynick
What im asking is why no specific concentric only exercise for upper body pressing? For lower body you do the prowler work for this.
I was thinking of doing this on lower body press days
1.squat/deads as per HP schedule
2.lower body concentric only training - prowler work as per HP schedule
3.upper body concentric only training - tire flip (not sure of set/rep scheme yet. Maybe 5x3). This would be done instead of the supplementary upper body press for that day.
My tire is stored at the same place i do my prowler work so it would be quite easy for me to go from one to the other.
Hey everybody!
Currently three weeks out of my first PL meet; I’m planning to move up a weight category (from -74kg to -83kg), and I’m searching for a good mass program that won’t make me loose strength in the 1-3 reps range.
So far, HP mass seems to fit the bill; just a few questions:
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from the articles, I understood it’s Upper Body two days in a row, then lat/bic, then Lower Body two days in a row; did I figure out it right?
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regarding WO length, I’m interested in Atypical/James idea…would you like to expand on your routine, writing down how a UB session looks like? It would be very nice of you;
you how combine HP mass with Super hero complex how do you set up your training?
After stagnating on my Deadlifts for some time I finally decided to try something different and decided to give Christians’ HP a go. Half way through first cycle, I think I’m finally getting the hang of the rocket launch, the very short rests between sets etc…and after Week 3 I decided that the only reason he’s called Christian is because there wasn’t enough room for ‘Insane Devil Worshipper’ on the Birth Certificate.
BTW. In Oz thats a hell of a compliment Christian!
I love it!
I’m not seeing any weight gain at the moment, but definitly seeing an improved cut. As I’m approaching 50 I’m just happy if I keep entertained and scare the crap out of the kids in the Gym…HP Mass is king for that.
To accomodate my age and injury history, I’ve altered the program to alternate Upper/Lower body primary days. So Monday is Primary Upper, Tuesday is Primary Lower, Thursday Primary Upper, Friday is Primary Lower. Do people have any thoughts on that?
That’s the same that I do and found that it is easier for me to recover from. I also found that this was a great program to help get lean on and especially if you’re also doing the sled work in conjunction with this.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
That’s the same that I do and found that it is easier for me to recover from. I also found that this was a great program to help get lean on and especially if you’re also doing the sled work in conjunction with this.
james
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Hi James,
Thanks for the feedback. I’m finding recovery is the real ‘Devil in the detail’ with this program. Over-estimate a MTW, do more than 3 reps on anything other than feeler sets and I can kiss my CNS goodbye. At the same time, I’m balancing that with very short rest intervals to bring the training period back to within 90-120 minutes. I’m finding that once I get to the secondary exercise, I have to make a judgement call on whether or not I have sufficient left in the tank to continue.
Marty
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
That’s the same that I do and found that it is easier for me to recover from. I also found that this was a great program to help get lean on and especially if you’re also doing the sled work in conjunction with this.
james
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Glad to see I’m not the only one thinking/actually making this kind of twitch to CT’s program.
Funny to notice that we’re all over 35yo…
On secondary movement, my guess would be to do only the work of the first week, to reduce overall volume and WO length. I’m thinking of something along these lines:
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Upper body 1: MP as main exercise, doing the program as written, Incline and BP as secondary, doing only one “wave”;
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Lower body 2 : squat as main exercise, deadlift as secondary;
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UB2 : MP and incline as secondary, BP as main (in this order)
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LB2 : squat as secondary, DL as main
I don’t like to modify a program if I haven’t run at least once exactly as written by the author, but if you guys have experience/ideas, I’m interested in reading you.
[quote]fabiop wrote:
Glad to see I’m not the only one thinking/actually making this kind of twitch to CT’s program.
Funny to notice that we’re all over 35yo…
On secondary movement, my guess would be to do only the work of the first week, to reduce overall volume and WO length. I’m thinking of something along these lines:
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Hi Fabio,
I’m a little confused. When you said secondary did you mean the primary movements B and C exercises? I’m doing the Primary A,B and C as CT has written.
For example, if the Primary is Upper body then I see no reason to move away from A: MP, B: Incline then C: flat Bench. I think these movements naturally feed into each other and feel good. Ditto I find that if the Primary is Lower Body that A: Front Squat and B: Deadlift form a natural progression.
My concern was with Secondary Upper Body on a Primary Lower Body day ( and vice versa). I tend to go for Bench Press on a secondary upper body and a front squat for a secondary lower body. In both cases I’ve schedulled in a pair of feeler sets, 5 sets of ramp and then a single wave. Any more than a single wave here and I’m toast. Also I find on Week 3 and 6 that there is nothing left in the tank to do even this.
Marty
I would like to thank CT for the HP mass program as well. I’ve been following it very consistently since January and have had tremendous results. I did take a couple months to try the superhero complexes, but have now gone back to the HP mass. I don’t follow the program exactly, but follow the principles, which I believe was CT’s point. I went from a 3 rep max of 300lbs to 405lbs in the deadlift, my bench went from 220lbs to 275lbs and my standing overhead press went from 135lbs to 165lbs. All of this since the beginning of January. Also, I have never looked as big and been as lean as I am right now. All of this at the age of 31.
HP mass possible while @ college?
[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
[quote]fabiop wrote:
Glad to see I’m not the only one thinking/actually making this kind of twitch to CT’s program.
Funny to notice that we’re all over 35yo…
On secondary movement, my guess would be to do only the work of the first week, to reduce overall volume and WO length. I’m thinking of something along these lines:
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Hi Fabio,
I’m a little confused. When you said secondary did you mean the primary movements B and C exercises? I’m doing the Primary A,B and C as CT has written. [/quote]
Sorry, Marty! I used a bad terminology…
What I meant is that I thought it could be a good idea to limit sets done for B and C on the first UB day (only do the week 1 and 3 work for the whole cycle), and those for A and B on the second UB day.
I’m a bit concerned with overall volume not only because I’m 36 (some days I feel really invincible :-), but because I have a physical job at night and (try to) sleep in noisy environment at day since six months.
When the meet is done, I’ll see if I can man it up and do it as written.
[quote]fabiop wrote:
What I meant is that I thought it could be a good idea to limit sets done for B and C on the first UB day (only do the week 1 and 3 work for the whole cycle), and those for A and B on the second UB day.
I’m a bit concerned with overall volume not only because I’m 36 (some days I feel really invincible :-), but because I have a physical job at night and (try to) sleep in noisy environment at day since six months.
When the meet is done, I’ll see if I can man it up and do it as written.[/quote]
Hi Fabio,
I wouldn’t limit the sets like that if I was you. My reading of this methodology is that volume is a critical component. So ride that wave.
What I’m finding now is that as I’ve gotten more experienced with the workout I’m getting more of a ‘feel’ for it. Last night I did my Week3 UB session in less time than my Week2 UB’s. I also managed to include 6sets of 4-5 jumps for a secondary effort on the lower body. Felt much better after training than on Week2.
I’ll be interested to see how the LB work goes tonight.
Marty
[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
My reading of this methodology is that volume is a critical component. So ride that wave.
What I’m finding now is that as I’ve gotten more experienced with the workout I’m getting more of a ‘feel’ for it. Last night I did my Week3 UB session in less time than my Week2 UB’s. I also managed to include 6sets of 4-5 jumps for a secondary effort on the lower body. Felt much better after training than on Week2.
I’ll be interested to see how the LB work goes tonight.
Marty[/quote]
Thanks, Marty !
I really appreciated your feedback!
Yeah, I would definitely start the program as written for your first couple of cycles. I ended up reducing some of the secondary pressing movement simply due to time constraints.
I ran the program successfully (meaning an increase to my bench and deadlift and an increase in my overall leanness) for 7 cycles. I’m changing programs for now to give myself a break but I’ll definitely come back to it.
james
Hi All,
Half way through my second cycle now and I’m seeing that as I’ve conditioned myself for it that I’ve been able to include more secondary work. I’m keeping the sets on secondary scaled back at the moment and also ensuring the weight is 10k lower than what I use on a primary day. This allows an older guy like me to survive the workload.
Starting to see some weight gain as well. Almost a kilo so far. Interested to see if this will continue.
Hi All,
Just completd 2nd cycle and starting on third. I’ve been held back by having to allow for old injuries but at the same time I’m happy (ecstatic actually) to report a weight gain of 1.7Kg. At 50 years of age and many training miles thats a very good gain.
I’m going to have to take a break now for Xmas travel and committments so it won’t be until next year before I can start the third cycle, but I’m definitly hooked on this. I can see the first three cycles next year being HP Mass.
Thanks Heaps Christian.
What kind of supplements are you guys taking on it? I’m not taking anything but a multi-vitamin atm and i’m restricting calories. Nonetheless, my sets are still getting a bit easier and my waist is down.