Test Supps... What If They Work and You Stop?

Nutrition
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It’s been my understanding that if you take testosterone (steroids) you will experience a rebound effect if you get off of theme where your body’s estrogen levels go up as the end result (assuming one is a moron and doesnt follow other protocols)…

That, and my age, and a moral stance (accurate or not haha), and the fact that I dont want to mess w/ the endocrine system is why I dont use such drugs…

However there are some supplements that claim to boost your own bodies natural production of testosterone. Many are fails, but some seem promising.

One is d-aspartic acid.

Let’s say I were to take this for a month and see an increase in my test levels of 20%… but then I run out of the supplement, find myself poor and thus unable to purchase more… Will the body respond negatively (like w/ steroid use)? Or would I just gradually return back to the state I’m “normally” in?

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I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.[/quote]

Hormone levels gradually decline to baseline over the course of 1 to 2 weeks after cessation of use of these products.

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It really depends by what specific mechanisms specific supplement raises said hormone.

Injecting testosterone is much different from blocking aromatase to reduce estrogen and keep test levels high.

I would say look up Alpha Male and/or tribulus on the search bar, and read the threads dedicated to each respective one.

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[quote]Mod Brian wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.[/quote]

Hormone levels gradually decline to baseline over the course of 1 to 2 weeks after cessation of use of these products.[/quote]

But can they effectively “reset” your baseline if you’ve been using/correctly cycling these products long enough?

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I dont think I want to use anything as powerful as Alpha Male or TRIBEX until I’m older :wink:

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[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
I dont think I want to use anything as powerful as Alpha Male or TRIBEX until I’m older ;)[/quote]

Why?

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[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
I dont think I want to use anything as powerful as Alpha Male or TRIBEX until I’m older ;)[/quote]

Ok so make sure the diet is clean, get good amounts of fat, get deep dark sleep, get a little sunlight/VIT D, and manage your stress. As far as “not serious” supplements go to raise test, try out ZMA before bed, Vitamin D, ect…

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]Mod Brian wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.[/quote]

Hormone levels gradually decline to baseline over the course of 1 to 2 weeks after cessation of use of these products.[/quote]

But can they effectively “reset” your baseline if you’ve been using/correctly cycling these products long enough?[/quote]

Nothing needs to be “reset”

There is no HPTA suppression. No hormonal inhibition (with the Biotest products) and no rebound effect.

NOTHING IS BEING SHUTDOWN.

Think of it as the body is producing test at a current rate (crude simplification) but it is possible to produce more. It doesnt produce more naturally because of one or more reasons. Alpha Male, in theory, should maximize the body’s ability to produce testosterone.

The best results occur in men who a bit older because their body’s are beginning to produce tesoterone less efficiently. A healthy 20yr old shouldnt expect to see the same results as a healty 35 year old.

And OP your understanding of what happens after a steroid cycle is a bit off. It is way more complicated than simply estrogen rising because natural T is shutdown.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]Mod Brian wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.[/quote]

Hormone levels gradually decline to baseline over the course of 1 to 2 weeks after cessation of use of these products.[/quote]

But can they effectively “reset” your baseline if you’ve been using/correctly cycling these products long enough?[/quote]

Nothing needs to be “reset”

There is no HPTA suppression. No hormonal inhibition (with the Biotest products) and no rebound effect.

NOTHING IS BEING SHUTDOWN.

Think of it as the body is producing test at a current rate (crude simplification) but it is possible to produce more. It doesnt produce more naturally because of one or more reasons. Alpha Male, in theory, should maximize the body’s ability to produce testosterone.

The best results occur in men who a bit older because their body’s are beginning to produce tesoterone less efficiently. A healthy 20yr old shouldnt expect to see the same results as a healty 35 year old.

And OP your understanding of what happens after a steroid cycle is a bit off. It is way more complicated than simply estrogen rising because natural T is shutdown. [/quote]

I would imagine if you’re not getting the “stuff” you need to produce testosterone (cholesterol, exe [please fill free to fill in my exe]), and you take supplements that allow your body to produce at or near its natural potential, your body will get used to this, and at some point get to where it will “fight” to maintain that level of production, even if the ingredients are scarce. Like a starved fat person’s body will fight to maintain body-weight as long as possible.

The OPs “fear” of taking something like Alpha Male, seems to suggest he believes that it will do the opposite, and “stunt” his body’s natural ability to make testosterone. This seems very wrong.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]Mod Brian wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
I would like to know the answer to this as well, especially in regards to supplements that Biotest sells, like Alpha Male and TRIBEX.[/quote]

Hormone levels gradually decline to baseline over the course of 1 to 2 weeks after cessation of use of these products.[/quote]

But can they effectively “reset” your baseline if you’ve been using/correctly cycling these products long enough?[/quote]

Nothing needs to be “reset”

There is no HPTA suppression. No hormonal inhibition (with the Biotest products) and no rebound effect.

NOTHING IS BEING SHUTDOWN.

Think of it as the body is producing test at a current rate (crude simplification) but it is possible to produce more. It doesnt produce more naturally because of one or more reasons. Alpha Male, in theory, should maximize the body’s ability to produce testosterone.

The best results occur in men who a bit older because their body’s are beginning to produce tesoterone less efficiently. A healthy 20yr old shouldnt expect to see the same results as a healty 35 year old.

And OP your understanding of what happens after a steroid cycle is a bit off. It is way more complicated than simply estrogen rising because natural T is shutdown. [/quote]

I would imagine if you’re not getting the “stuff” you need to produce testosterone (cholesterol, exe [please fill free to fill in my exe]), and you take supplements that allow your body to produce at or near its natural potential, your body will get used to this, and at some point get to where it will “fight” to maintain that level of production, even if the ingredients are scarce. Like a starved fat person’s body will fight to maintain body-weight as long as possible.

The OPs “fear” of taking something like Alpha Male, seems to suggest he believes that it will do the opposite, and “stunt” his body’s natural ability to make testosterone. This seems very wrong.[/quote]

Right. I wont even hazard a guess at all the possible reasons for sub-optimal T production.

Natural T boosters will not inhibit anything. Hopefully theyll just make the body better at doing what it should be doing naturally.

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You’re right Spartiates, that’s one fear.

but mainly I wouldnt want things to get out of whack if I used a supp to boost T for a month and then had to go off of it and maybe experience a month of low t or high e until things g back to normal…

but if thats not a valid fear then my Q is answered I suppose

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[quote]EGYnutrition wrote:
It really depends by what specific mechanisms specific supplement raises said hormone.

Injecting testosterone is much different from blocking aromatase to reduce estrogen and keep test levels high.

I would say look up Alpha Male and/or tribulus on the search bar, and read the threads dedicated to each respective one. [/quote]

I’m not allowed to link the study but the d aspartic acid example said that it increased cGMP which = more LH … and that it plays a similar role as cAMP

google may help w/ the full results

i have no idea what any of that means myself haha