It’s a legitimate phenomenon for athletes who consistently play on the edge of over training with intense exercise. I’ve been doing a little research and feel as though I finally have some tricks up my sleeve to combat it, aside from the “traditional” take your vit d3, zinc etc. Does anyone else ever consistently battle with this? Has anyone found any supplements or strategies that have worked for them?
Hardly revolutionary but ive found since i started eating more like 8-10 portions of fruit and veg a day i rarely get ill, and if i do get ill i get over it in half the time anyone else seems to. And thats regardless of how much i train. Usually its a case of if i feel something coming on get a few early nights and its gone
I have personally found that having a “De-Load” week every third week where I still go as heavy as possible, but reduce the number of sets by 30-50% has reduced my frequency of illness to almost nothing.
Frequent hand-washing, autoregulation of workout frequency and intensity, and 8-9 hours of sleep/day seem to do the trick for me. It also seems helpful to minimize the frequency and intensity of big nights out partying. Nothing seems to tear down the defenses like a few nights of partying strung together.
Analy optimized sleep- the more, the better.
Reduced stress.
Active recovery.
Vitamins/supplements. Garlic. Sunlight.
Breathing exercises done outside.
aside from vitamins and good eating, i found that since i’ve been cooking with coconut oil, i don’t get nearly as sick, even the same goes for the common cold. If i get even a cold its mild and only lasts 2 days max, not sure if thats why but for me I swear by the coconut oil, lauric acid and all…
Thanks for the responses guys. The videos above are two strategies I’m going to experiment with, that seem to have a direct and measurable impact on immune function.
[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
aside from vitamins and good eating, i found that since i’ve been cooking with coconut oil, i don’t get nearly as sick, even the same goes for the common cold. If i get even a cold its mild and only lasts 2 days max, not sure if thats why but for me I swear by the coconut oil, lauric acid and all… [/quote]
Interesting you mention that, just read something recently talking about the benefits of coconut oil… Specifically that it is a food that naturally contains a good deal of pro biotics which can be said to be one of the greatest aids in disease prevention and immunity support our body offers.
I’d make sure to stick to an organic or trusted brand though, because there is also a lot of toxins that get in certain coconuts that aren’t handled as well.
I personally know how overtraining can run you down but unless I am getting ready some form of a competition, I can feel it and layoff a week.
I have found that running does a world of good for me both mentally and physically. The problem is where to put that training and avoid injury. In the spring I was training for a 10k and still squatting heavy. You can do it, but not for any length of time.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
aside from vitamins and good eating, i found that since i’ve been cooking with coconut oil, i don’t get nearly as sick, even the same goes for the common cold. If i get even a cold its mild and only lasts 2 days max, not sure if thats why but for me I swear by the coconut oil, lauric acid and all… [/quote]
Interesting you mention that, just read something recently talking about the benefits of coconut oil… Specifically that it is a food that naturally contains a good deal of pro biotics which can be said to be one of the greatest aids in disease prevention and immunity support our body offers.
I’d make sure to stick to an organic or trusted brand though, because there is also a lot of toxins that get in certain coconuts that aren’t handled as well. [/quote]
Coconut oil is fantastic stuff. The entire immune system (and hormone system) depends on fat, and bodybuilders tend to minimize fat intake (preferring, understandably protein + carbs). By adding in good fats (coconut oil, grass fed butter, olive oil, and dead animal fat) it always helps the immune system and whole endocrine system.
Agree with the organic brand for everything. There is a lot of bad juju in regular food that can disrupt the endocrine system.
–Me
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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How about Indigo 3G?
Indigo 3G plus MAG-10
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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How about Indigo 3G?
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Higher carb intakes can definitely help with recupe, and so I-3G can definitely make sure those carbs go to the “right place”.
I’m still a heavy believer in stabilizing one’s hormone profile, so this is why I mentioned the “grey” area supplementation.
I neglected to mention Z-12, slpha-GPC and either ZMA or Elite MInerals. I’m mentioning only Biotest supps here for obvious reasons. Good sleep, especially deep sleep is oh so important for recovery and “recharging”. Your hormones are mostly produced during this time so optimizing sleep should really be the primary consideration. These supps taken before bed have REALLY helped me recharge via awesome sleep.
Z-12 + alpha GPC + minerals…amazing combo. For me, I try to minimize Z-12 intake due to “possible” loss of effectiveness of the phenibut (different people react differently)…but one thing I do all the time is alpha-GPC and the minerals. Awesome.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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How about Indigo 3G?
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Higher carb intakes can definitely help with recupe, and so I-3G can definitely make sure those carbs go to the “right place”.
I’m still a heavy believer in stabilizing one’s hormone profile, so this is why I mentioned the “grey” area supplementation.
I neglected to mention Z-12, slpha-GPC and either ZMA or Elite MInerals. I’m mentioning only Biotest supps here for obvious reasons. Good sleep, especially deep sleep is oh so important for recovery and “recharging”. Your hormones are mostly produced during this time so optimizing sleep should really be the primary consideration. These supps taken before bed have REALLY helped me recharge via awesome sleep.
Z-12 + alpha GPC + minerals…amazing combo. For me, I try to minimize Z-12 intake due to “possible” loss of effectiveness of the phenibut (different people react differently)…but one thing I do all the time is alpha-GPC and the minerals. Awesome. [/quote]
I have usen all those t nation supps mentioned haha, thanks for the tip very helpful! I imagine too that the time you go to sleep has a big part in it… circadian rhythms, I think they say after 2am the quality in sleep begins to make a nose dive, and optimally going to sleep before midnight being best.
Never looked into pro hormones but could be useful for someone willing to put the time, and expense into it… I think I have spent far more on supps then what some test doses even cost lol, its a serious science as well. Not stuff to just guess around with, which a lot of people in my gym seem to do lol
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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How would one go about obtaining said compounds to maximize hormones? Are you at all concerned that these are simply band aids to perhaps a more serious root of a hormone problem?
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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Which GHRP do you prefer? I have been taking GHRP-2 for a while now and I am loving the effects so far. Aside from the physical benefits that I am starting to see the sleep quality is amazing.
You did not mention it so, I do not know if you are using it but, the GHRP should be used with CJC NO-DAC or even better though some say the NO-DAC is the same thing Mod GRF 1-29.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
My opinion: a little bit of Clomid (12.5 mg only) or Tamoxifen (5 mg only) EOD coupled with a little GHRP 3 times a day does wonders for recuperation. Not like a medium to high dose steroid cycle, but that little bit for many folks helps keep their natural T from plummeting and the little bit of extra growth hormone secretion from the peptide signaling (really a misnomer in my opinion…GH should be called the body system signal for repair hormone) really helps with those aches and pains. Not for everyone, but I believe it would work for most. Really not that expensive either.
I’m equating physical recuperation to improved or normal immune functioning.
Nutritionally, it is my opinion that liberal use of MAG-10 throughout the day and Plazma during training will help stave off the demon of overtraining.
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Which GHRP do you prefer? I have been taking GHRP-2 for a while now and I am loving the effects so far. Aside from the physical benefits that I am starting to see the sleep quality is amazing.
You did not mention it so, I do not know if you are using it but, the GHRP should be used with CJC NO-DAC or even better though some say the NO-DAC is the same thing Mod GRF 1-29.[/quote]
I try to not be too specific about “grey” or “black” market type “supplements” as I believe even some reputable and very knowledgeable posters on the forums have been banned for this. I probably shouldn’t even have mentioned GHRP and just said “GH secretogues” or something like that. The banning I believe has simple GOT to be due to possible trouble with legal stuff; i.e. someone reading the seemingly very smart post on how to do something does it and due to their individual physiology respond very badly to it. Don’t think this can really get back to Biotest, but I understand the need to be conservative in this very litigious society we live in today.
That being said…
I’ve been also using GHRP-2 with CJC no-dac, but did try GHRP-6 1st. But I’m primarily using only ipamorelin these days. Though I never got the minor sides associated with either -2 or -6 (other than the very real hunger pangs), it is my paranoia that pushes me to use what is considered “the safest”…and that is ipamorelin. I get no bad sides from this, just the results I’m looking for. I never look for the most extreme effects, but ones that are gradual.
And as always: this is just MY experience. Please, no one take this as gospel. It is not.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Which GHRP do you prefer? I have been taking GHRP-2 for a while now and I am loving the effects so far. Aside from the physical benefits that I am starting to see the sleep quality is amazing.
You did not mention it so, I do not know if you are using it but, the GHRP should be used with CJC NO-DAC or even better though some say the NO-DAC is the same thing Mod GRF 1-29.[/quote]
I try to not be too specific about “grey” or “black” market type “supplements” as I believe even some reputable and very knowledgeable posters on the forums have been banned for this. I probably shouldn’t even have mentioned GHRP and just said “GH secretogues” or something like that. The banning I believe has simple GOT to be due to possible trouble with legal stuff; i.e. someone reading the seemingly very smart post on how to do something does it and due to their individual physiology respond very badly to it. Don’t think this can really get back to Biotest, but I understand the need to be conservative in this very litigious society we live in today.
That being said…
I’ve been also using GHRP-2 with CJC no-dac, but did try GHRP-6 1st. But I’m primarily using only ipamorelin these days. Though I never got the minor sides associated with either -2 or -6 (other than the very real hunger pangs), it is my paranoia that pushes me to use what is considered “the safest”…and that is ipamorelin. I get no bad sides from this, just the results I’m looking for. I never look for the most extreme effects, but ones that are gradual.
And as always: this is just MY experience. Please, no one take this as gospel. It is not. [/quote]
If you’re gonna take something to help your testosterone/GH that’s in a “gray area” (doesn’t Clomid need a prescription? I know you get still get it otherwise obviously) why not just take steroids? If you’re gonna take pharms for it then do it big bro!