[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Brook wrote:
Maybe - i wouldnt know about that… but i would be more inclined to suspect it to be something more common…
On that note is it muscular or spinal? Can you tell - and if not what would be your guess?
What do you think it is, in your heart?
Do you sit on a chair at a desk or PC for the working day? Hows your posture? What is form like in exercises mentioned?
God, i am starting to run through my regular sports injury intake questionairre here!
BUSH-HYYY!
Brook
It originates from the base of the spine but I suspect it is muscular. It started when I was using dbol and getting pumps. I trained today and my back was very solid. Actually the training seemed to shore it up after a layoff due to illness of 2 days. I do sit at a computer all day. Very sedentary.
Sometimes my posture is not the greatest, most often when I scan this forum in the evening. I strive for good form in RDL but there is an element of rounded back at the lowest point. It does seem to be improving so maybe it was a touch of overuse. The last 4 wekends or so helping with demolition work after a leg workout put extra stress on it.
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In RDL and exercises like that there should be absolutely zero rounding at all…
In the lowest portion as soon as you feel a stretch you pause and return upright - and it is excessive stretching that causes the rounding.
It may be overuse but from the little you have said it sounds like it may be overuse coupled with the fact your posture loads certain muscles inappropriately.
Things like demolition work after a leg workout - when your legs are tired your back, especially lumbar, will take over the load…
Lighten the load on exercises where the area is stressed or where your spine is under alot of pressure to stay neutral (RDL, Bent Rows, Squat, hypers, etc. etc.) Form is everything, and if you neglect the natural progression of postural strength and load up too heavy the punishment will be injury preventing training - possibly for good.
Good luck, and look into getting a trainer - if only just for some posture training.
In RDL and exercises like that there should be absolutely zero rounding at all…
In the lowest portion as soon as you feel a stretch you pause and return upright - and it is excessive stretching that causes the rounding.
It may be overuse but from the little you have said it sounds like it may be overuse coupled with the fact your posture loads certain muscles inappropriately.
Things like demolition work after a leg workout - when your legs are tired your back, especially lumbar, will take over the load…
Lighten the load on exercises where the area is stressed or where your spine is under alot of pressure to stay neutral (RDL, Bent Rows, Squat, hypers, etc. etc.) Form is everything, and if you neglect the natural progression of postural strength and load up too heavy the punishment will be injury preventing training - possibly for good.
Good luck, and look into getting a trainer - if only just for some posture training.
Brook[/quote]
Thanks Brook. Good advice. I’ll be extra vigilant on form and ask my trainer friend for some input. I still have a sneaking suspicion it may be one of the compounds I am using since I have been training for years without these issues. I am going heavier now, of course and that could also be the catalyst.
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
This is an excellent thread! Keep up the good work buddy![/quote]
Thanks G.I.,
BTW, my friend went to the hospital today to get my blood results but due to privacy concerns they wouldn’t give it to him even though he had my hospital card. I’ll have to find time to get there myself after work one day. I’ll post ASAP.
I trained chest, back, and shoulders today. I still am not back to where I was last week prior to the gastro issues I had over the weekend. I am still using my heaviest weights, but the heart just wasn’t there today. Also, although I am about 5 lbs lighter than my heaviest weight (178 last week), I feel my gut is more prominent and my biceps and chest less. Not exactly the effect I am going for.
I may have to integrate some cardio into my routine although I don’t really want to add to my daily list of things to do. In the summer, I walked everywhere and that served as my cardio. Now I take the bus and walk a lot less. That and my sedentary job make for low expenditure of the serious calories I am taking in (albeit low-carb).
My mood is dipping again too which doesn’t help matters. I am noticing a few things also. My complexion seems a little ruddier than before. Like pores more visible on the sides of my nose. I also get flushed after eating. Red cheeks and all. Another thing is that I often perspire while sleeping, which I never did before. This may be a result of faster metabolism due to increased eating and frequncy.
Bottom line; I was one messed up dude prior to cycling and now I am a messed up dude on cycle. Just messed up in different ways. It should still be interesting to see those blood levels.
THANKYOU! I wondered if you had noticed this or not. AAS will not “fix” any of your issues in life or mind. While many guys claim they are so much more happy and secure on Test )how fucking lovely it must be for them, then. lol!), for the most part this isnt as cut and dried as it seems it could be.
You seem to have depression issues - if anything AAS will make that worse not better IME at least, of myself and others.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Bottom line; I was one messed up dude prior to cycling and now I am a messed up dude on cycle. Just messed up in different ways. It should still be interesting to see those blood levels.
THANKYOU! I wondered if you had noticed this or not. AAS will not “fix” any of your issues in life or mind. While many guys claim they are so much more happy and secure on Test )how fucking lovely it must be for them, then. lol!), for the most part this isnt as cut and dried as it seems it could be.
You seem to have depression issues - if anything AAS will make that worse not better IME at least, of myself and others.
Good luck and best wishes.
Brook[/quote]
Thanks Brook. I feel like I am a complainer sometimes, but I wanted this thread to be an accurate portrayal of the benefits and difficulties I experience on cycle. Of course I was hoping it would all be good, but alas, life is not like that. I am sure a many others on this forum tend to omit the negatives feeling they don’t want to “whine”. That being the macho way after all.
I have been very down recently. I also developped a cold on Thursday that sapped my strength and had a very runny nose. I seem to be over the cold today which mercifully was pretty quick.
I trained legs today. I wasn’t particularly strong or driven. My lower back got aggravated by the RDLs again so I will have to take a good rest from them or anything else that irritates that area. I don’t want it to become chronic. I stll wonder whether it could be the Adex, but I wonder if such a small dose (0.25mg E3D) could really be responsible??
I have been reading that thread about the effects of testosterone and I can’t say that I am experiencing them. Libido is low, morale is the craps, confidence is in the toilet. I’m definitely not the poster child for AAS. I am anxious to get my blood labs, but it seems like there is a conspiracy preventing me from doing so on a timely basis. I can go Tuesday after work. I finish at 2 pm and the hospital office gives them out until 4 pm. It is about 1 hour to get there so it should work out.
I am hovering around 172 lbs (was 178 at my highest).
I wish I had positive news to put up but that just isn’t the case.
I am honestly concerned for you… Steroids are clearly not the answer to some of your psychological problems. Of course, they never were going to be - but i seem to remember that you suspected high SHBG or low free test was your problem. This either seems to be not the case or it is a little more complicated than that.
High dose androgens are very mind altering IME and if it is an unstable place anyway (one’s mind) then they will not help… depression can be motherfucking DEEP on AAS in my personal experience.
You should look into things… talk to someone and make sure that your feelings are warranted and normal for your situation. I dont know, they may be… but it seems to me you get very down, very often.
Do you have a partner? A close friend? Would you feel that PM’ing me or someone else here would help at all?
I doubt that the adex is causing a problem at that dose other than not actually doing its job. Where the fuck are those bloods? Tomorrow i see… (Tuesday).
I wouldnt be surprised if your estrogen was high as fuck personally.
Do you know your exact ‘medication’ levels at the time of testing? Cause if you have changed doses since then, then it can affect which changes you need to make in light of the results…
I want to seriously shake you and give you a real fucking talking to - one that will get some anger and fire in you, to go and kick someones arse and fuck their mother… and wife… AND sister… and the damn dog too. And then them (ok, thats enough fucking)!
(I find it is healthy to do one of the above at least once a fortnight…)
[quote] Brook wrote:
I am honestly concerned for you… Steroids are clearly not the answer to some of your psychological problems. Of course, they never were going to be - but i seem to remember that you suspected high SHBG or low free test was your problem. This either seems to be not the case or it is a little more complicated than that.
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I will be in a better position to determine just how much of an effect hormonal levels play in this equation tomorrow.
It has been recommended to me by KSman in the past that maybe I would do well on low dose trazodone or wellbutrin if the traz doesn’t do the trick. My preference has always been to exhaust the hormonal deficiency angle prior to seriously considering meds.
I do get down periodically, but have been in a decent state more of the time.
I do have some good people around me. Thanks for the PM offer. I’ll keep that in mind.
I laid off RDL today and back feels OK. I agree that at this low dose Adex is not likely the cause of back pain or depression. I do not feel any estrogen side effects however. That leads me to question the potency of the test e. This is the main reason I am interested in the free T number on my blood results.
Free T number is most important. Other numbers can be adjusted.
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I want to seriously shake you and give you a real fucking talking to - one that will get some anger and fire in you, to go and kick someones arse and fuck their mother… and wife… AND sister… and the damn dog too. And then them (ok, thats enough fucking)!
(I find it is healthy to do one of the above at least once a fortnight…)
Brook[/quote]
That’s just the joie de vivre and gusto that I long for. Hopefully one day…
Thanks for your input. It stimulates serious reflection.
after reading this for weeks…I just want to say good luck to you,and to Brook,your a good man,to lend suport & help the way you do. much ‘props’ as the youth says…lol
I actually feel pretty good today. Thanks for small miracles. I have been in close contact with a few pretty girls at work today and definitely felt invigorated. That lace lingerie peeking out from am ample cleavage really perked me up. I am going for my blood labs in 1 hour when I finish work. Will update later.
Brook & Fightu36: Thanks for dropping by and leaving kind words.
More bad news. I got my blood lab printout, but the most important results have not been completed yet. I will have to make a third trip to get the Total Test, Free Test, and Bioavailable Test results.
It has been two weeks since the blood was drawn and it has never taken more than 1 week for results in the past. I was quite peeved at this outcome and hadn’t fathomed this occuring in the slightest. Hopefully they will be ready on Friday. I have the day off so I can go again. This time I’ll call prior to making the trek.
Adding insult to injury is the fact I forgot to request Estradiol. What a careless mistake. That is an important factor.
Here are the results I do have. Maybe we can extrapolate??
TSH 1.18 on 0.4-4.50 mU/L
Free T3 4.4 on 2.8-7.1 pmol/L
B-hCG 3 U/L
FSH 0.1 on 1.6-11.0 U/L
LH 0.3 on 0.8-6.1 U/L
SHBG 44.0 on 10.5-50.4 nmol/L
IGF-1 19.6 on 8.4-29.5 nmol/L
As you can see I am shut down hard with very low FSH & LH numbers. Also, my SHBG is as low as I can remember it being. Probably a result of the Proviron.
Now the question is am I shut down because my testosterone levels are high or am I shut down because I amcrashing after the dbol run? Dbol ended @ 30mg/d on Oct. 20th and the test was done on Nov. 3rd.
I’ll update as soon as I get my test numbers. Hopefully Friday.
I trained upper body today and didn’t have a lot of energy. I feel like I’m in the limbo world that Bill Roberts talked about on another thread. That is having a test level that is neither high enough to give me a good boost, nor low enough to start recovery of my own production. Not a fun place to be. I have been in a decent enough mood, just not happy with the energy, drive, strength, and gains of the latter portion of this cycle. This is definitely not the way it is supposed to play out.
I ordered 2 more 10ml vials of 250 test e, and 2 10ml vials of 100 test prop. I should be receiving it within a week if all goes well. I will decide on the best course of action with the new gear (different supplier) once I get my Nov. 3rd free test result.
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
That’s a lot of gear, Dyno. Are you just going to finish this one out or do another cycle??[/quote]
It depends on the level my Nov. 3rd blood sample shows. If Free Test was in the desired high range, then I’ll either taper or adopt a TRT dose (100-200 mg/w).
If ,on the other hand, it shows depressed levels (meaning that my test e was crap) - I will have to decide the best way to either PCT or jump back into cycle.
IMO IF your test is low - like you have had total fake gear - then you would be definitely better off coming off with a mild PCT (40/40/20/20 or something) as you will be very nearly recovered by now i reckon with only the dianabol being the suppressive drug taken, which was discontinued weeks ago.
I have done a couple of Dbol only cycles and i never had much of a problem recovering even with no PCT. Many many moons ago now of course
IF your test is waaay high, indicating that the enanth is ok (read ‘ok’ not great) then i would do a full PCT and recover and start again after a break with a good quality proven drug source - you got your new stuff yet BTW?
Unless you are not concerned with the sides that will come from staying on for long times/ever, then you would simply start the new gear as soon as you like.
and best wishes.