Test Enth, Dbol, Proviron Cycle

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I had every intention to train today after a lay off of 2 days and 3 prior sucky training sessions. I left work a little after 2 pm and walked home in the rain. Crappy weather. That never stopped me before. By the halfway mark I was outside the supermarket and stopped to decide if I would go to train and pick up groceries for dinner after or just stop and get them right away and relax at home, then train tomorrow.

I felt really tired for no reason. Muscles kind of ache too. Something is definitely not kosher here. Ever since the dbol run ended I haven’t had the energy to train effectively. I was in decent morale today even though it was a little hectic at work. Just dead tired after work. The thought of getting home, bussing to the gym, training, showering, grocery shopping, bussing home, cooking supper nefore finally being able to relax briefly before retiring just seemed too daunting. I often trained 5 days in a row after work & on weekends when I was on the dbol.

I feel like I’m crashing and the test e is no good. I still get wood overnight (which may be due to the hCG) and now with the 50mg boosted dose of Proviron I was even somewhat horny today. I am planning to get blood work done on Monday (in 6 days from now) and then I will have to wait another week to get the results. If it continues like this it’ll be pretty grim until then.

Maybe I should have acted quickly and gone with the test prop at first sign of a problem - finances be damned. I guess this just goes to show you that the best laid plans can go horribly wrong when the foundation of your cycle (test e) isn’t working for you (assuming it’s that). I have a hard time believing that a tried and true beginner’s cycle (test e, dbol, Adex, Proviron) would be so lame if all the compounds were legit. Hell I don’t even know what I weigh now. I’ll try to train tomorrow on the way back from work. I should get to the gym around 3 pm.

What I wouldn’t give for some vim & vigor. Especially in the gym.

On a brighter note, my doctor who had been treating me for HRT that discharged me as a patient finally referred me to a good endocrinologist. I guess judging by my bloodwork I’ll decide when it would be wise to see him.

Shit happens. Just got to deal with it.[/quote]

You DO know it is easy and possible to OVERTRAIN on steroids…
Dbol gives great feelings and kick mentally… you took full advantage of that.

write yourself a new workout plan, and start in 4 days.

This will give you a deliberate 7 days off, which IS needed i can see, and i believe during that time (if not a little longer) the gym will become more and more beckoning (albeit harder to actually start again - watch for that my friend when it is time to start, no excuses! Even I make excuses not to train after a week off! it IS hard for us all)

The workout plan has less sets, and trains your whole body EITHER:

Once per week over 3 sessions (ie. a 3 day split)
1+1/2 x per week over 3 sessions (ie. 2 day split)

The 3 day split is your choice, as is the 2 day - but remember to reduce total volume (choose sets ideally as the volume ‘control’) but keep total workout volume the same whether doing the 2 or 3 day split. So say total daily volume is 15 sets total:-

on the 3 day split it may be:
Back- 9 Delts- 6
Chest- 7 Bi- 4 Tri- 4
Quads- 9 Hams- 6

on the 2 day split it may be:

Back/Chest/Bi - 7/5/3
Legs/Delts/Tri - 7/5/3

See? The volume is higher on the 3 day split per bodypart, as you have more time to recover - as it has less volume per bodypart trained. Conversely, the 2 day split has less volume per bodypart (assuming reps and weight matches the splits) which will allow for the higher frequency.

Include actual ‘nervous’ stress in your daily regime and you have a difficult time training frequently - or hard…
As fitness, diet and actual nervous system ability improves to allow further work - other things in life can be removed or reduced to make way for further work in the gym.

I get paid for this you know… :wink:

Brook

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Brook,

Thanks for the suggestions. Both time off (sounds good around now) and actual splits.

I was planning on doing this:

Day 1 (Upper)

A1: Bench Press: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
A2: T-bar row: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate A1 then A2 for 4 sets)

B1: DB Incline press: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
B2: Lat pull down 45°
(alternate B1 then B2 for 4 sets)

C1: DB shoulder press: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
C2: Lat Pull-up: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate C1 then C2 for 4 sets)

Day 2 (Lower)
A1: Front Squat: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
A2: RDL: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate A1 then A2 for 4 sets)

B1: Bulgarian Squat: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
B2: Long Step Lunges: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate B1 then B2 for 4 sets)

C1: Leg Extension: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
C2: Leg Curl: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate C1 then C2 for 4 sets)

Day 3 (Whole Body)
A1: Back Squat: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
A2: Stiff-leg DL: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate A1 then A2 for 4 sets)

B1: DB Bench Press: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
B2: Seated Row: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate B1 then B2 for 4 sets)

C1: BB Shoulder Press: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
C2: Chin-up: 6 reps / 90 sec rest
(alternate C1 then C2 for 4 sets)

[quote] Brook wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
I had every intention to train today after a lay off of 2 days and 3 prior sucky training sessions. I left work a little after 2 pm and walked home in the rain. Crappy weather. That never stopped me before. By the halfway mark I was outside the supermarket and stopped to decide if I would go to train and pick up groceries for dinner after or just stop and get them right away and relax at home, then train tomorrow.

I felt really tired for no reason. Muscles kind of ache too. Something is definitely not kosher here. Ever since the dbol run ended I haven’t had the energy to train effectively. I was in decent morale today even though it was a little hectic at work. Just dead tired after work. The thought of getting home, bussing to the gym, training, showering, grocery shopping, bussing home, cooking supper nefore finally being able to relax briefly before retiring just seemed too daunting. I often trained 5 days in a row after work & on weekends when I was on the dbol.

I feel like I’m crashing and the test e is no good. I still get wood overnight (which may be due to the hCG) and now with the 50mg boosted dose of Proviron I was even somewhat horny today. I am planning to get blood work done on Monday (in 6 days from now) and then I will have to wait another week to get the results. If it continues like this it’ll be pretty grim until then.

Maybe I should have acted quickly and gone with the test prop at first sign of a problem - finances be damned. I guess this just goes to show you that the best laid plans can go horribly wrong when the foundation of your cycle (test e) isn’t working for you (assuming it’s that). I have a hard time believing that a tried and true beginner’s cycle (test e, dbol, Adex, Proviron) would be so lame if all the compounds were legit. Hell I don’t even know what I weigh now. I’ll try to train tomorrow on the way back from work. I should get to the gym around 3 pm.

What I wouldn’t give for some vim & vigor. Especially in the gym.

On a brighter note, my doctor who had been treating me for HRT that discharged me as a patient finally referred me to a good endocrinologist. I guess judging by my bloodwork I’ll decide when it would be wise to see him.

Shit happens. Just got to deal with it.

You DO know it is easy and possible to OVERTRAIN on steroids…
Dbol gives great feelings and kick mentally… you took full advantage of that.

write yourself a new workout plan, and start in 4 days.

This will give you a deliberate 7 days off, which IS needed i can see, and i believe during that time (if not a little longer) the gym will become more and more beckoning (albeit harder to actually start again - watch for that my friend when it is time to start, no excuses! Even I make excuses not to train after a week off! it IS hard for us all)

The workout plan has less sets, and trains your whole body EITHER:

Once per week over 3 sessions (ie. a 3 day split)
1+1/2 x per week over 3 sessions (ie. 2 day split)

The 3 day split is your choice, as is the 2 day - but remember to reduce total volume (choose sets ideally as the volume ‘control’) but keep total workout volume the same whether doing the 2 or 3 day split. So say total daily volume is 15 sets total:-

on the 3 day split it may be:
Back- 9 Delts- 6
Chest- 7 Bi- 4 Tri- 4
Quads- 9 Hams- 6

on the 2 day split it may be:

Back/Chest/Bi - 7/5/3
Legs/Delts/Tri - 7/5/3

See? The volume is higher on the 3 day split per bodypart, as you have more time to recover - as it has less volume per bodypart trained. Conversely, the 2 day split has less volume per bodypart (assuming reps and weight matches the splits) which will allow for the higher frequency.

Include actual ‘nervous’ stress in your daily regime and you have a difficult time training frequently - or hard…
As fitness, diet and actual nervous system ability improves to allow further work - other things in life can be removed or reduced to make way for further work in the gym.

I get paid for this you know… :wink:

Brook[/quote]

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Well I finally have some good news!! I trained after work today and was actually invigorated and had decent strength. I received compliments at being bigger several times today and I have only lost 2-3 lbs since my dbol max - still 16.5 lbs heavier than when I started. I have shed a fair bit of bloat so this lighter weight is dryer.

I am praying that the rough patch I went through was due to a turbulent transition from the dbol. I will train a 3 day split per week unless I feel even stronger. In that case I’ll up it a bit. I’ll work legs on Friday and see how that goes.

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I’m feeling a little creaky in the knees. I wonder if I’m slightly high on the Adex. Maybe I’ll reduce to 0.25mg EOD and see if that helps.

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Yep, reduce that sob!

I am so glad to hear it, i was hoping for the best outcome - i hate to see someone i know and like, in such a low mood, as i so frequently feel that way myself and have lived with it for many a year. It isnt nice, and if i can help i will.

From my own experience with a number of AAS and different cycles, i think that it sounds entirely plausable that you are now in the Test portion of this cycle and out of the Dbol phase.
The losing a little weight but relatively speaking to coming off totally, not much.
Also i am a big believer (it is the massage therapist in me) in whatever a person thinks is the likely cause is oftentimes the cause.

Keep plugging on… maybe reduce the adex to 0.25 EOD and see…

:slight_smile:

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Brook,

Thanks for the support my friend. It is much appreciated. I am training legs after work today. I’ll update later.

I have a nice pump in biceps and chest after my upper body workout on Wednesday. Another positive is that the muscles are more defined since the dbol. When I flexed on dbol, it was just a mass of bloat. Now there’s more hardness and delineation. I will not refute the added strength and drive from the dbol even if it was wet and sloppy.

I was so elated at the invigorting workout on Wednesday since in my mind it put an end to the multiple dreadfull training seesions that preceeded it. I just hope it continues and you are right in feeling that I have transitioned from the dbol portion to the test protion of my cycle. Full steam ahead…

[quote] Brook wrote:
Yep, reduce that sob!

I am so glad to hear it, i was hoping for the best outcome - i hate to see someone i know and like, in such a low mood, as i so frequently feel that way myself and have lived with it for many a year. It isnt nice, and if i can help i will.

From my own experience with a number of AAS and different cycles, i think that it sounds entirely plausable that you are now in the Test portion of this cycle and out of the Dbol phase.
The losing a little weight but relatively speaking to coming off totally, not much.
Also i am a big believer (it is the massage therapist in me) in whatever a person thinks is the likely cause is oftentimes the cause.

Keep plugging on… maybe reduce the adex to 0.25 EOD and see…

:)[/quote]

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CRACK ON…

but.

Prepare psychologically my friend, prepare. As the hounds of an androgenically depleted hell are onto our scent. They smelt us in the field of ‘loss of dbol’ which is before the path of ‘gain of test’rone’…

So just be aware that at SOME point post test’rone, there MAY, not WILL, but MAY, be a point where life takes that dip-turn downwards and threatens a pure blackness of which you are now acquainted, albeit casually and for a short period, thank the testes. :wink:

Seriously though, good work, i am glad for you - and watch out for the PCT portion - it can be hard - no, it IS hard to deal with even if it goes well, so just be strong in the head for then.

Happy hunting.

Brook

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Thanks for the heads up Brook. I’ll definitely take every precaution to make the transition at the end of this cycle as smooth as possible. I plan to continue TRT so will probably taper to 200mg/w and maybe slightly lower several weeks post cycle.

I’ll continue lower dose Adex and hCG and maybe even 25mg/d Proviron if I can get my hands on some more.

Good analogy in the form of the androgenically depleted hell hounds. I will do my damndest to keep those long fanged, red eyed, blood thirsty savages at bay. How appropriate that this conversation takes place on Holloween night…

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I trained legs today and it went very well. Front squats were strong, RDL too. Bulgarian squats tough, long step lunges and finishing off with leg extensions & leg curls.

I skipped the Adex today and felt fine. I think I’ll skip it again tomorrow and then resume with 0.25mg EOD. I am doing blood labs on Monday. It should be interesting to see where my hormonal levels are at.

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I have been busy recently which explains the lack of updates. Well I went for my blood lab today and will have results in a week or so.

I trained full body yesterday and was strong again. Bench press was stronger than ever. I had pasta the night prior and muscle bellies were fully loaded.

Libido is still not what I expected it to be especially considering 50mg/d proviron in the mix. The hCG should be contributing in that department too. I also felt significant DOMS after training legs on Friday. Then again I did bulgarian squats after doing front squats and we all know how brutal bulgarian squats can be after not doing them in a while.

So as you can see I am getting mixed signals on the quality of this test e. On one side I am very strong and my weight is maintaining (I equalled my heaviest dbol weight yesterday = 20 lbs gain since start of cycle). On the other mediocre libido and DOMS. I am still eating like a champ and wish I didn’t have the belly I do, but it doesn’t seem to exceed my threshold of decency especially considering the strength that goes along with it. I am also getting regular comments from people about having gotten bigger in the chest and shoulders. One bud at the gym said kiddingly - “you’re getting too big. Are you on the juice?” My ex-wife said she noticed my legs are bigger. My chest, shoulders and legs are considerably bigger.

I get a great pump when I train too and my strength surprises me. Once I get warmed up, I get really into the workout and dart from station to station very focused. Bench press felt great and pull ups were pleasingly strong. I definitely like that feeling. But is it from big eating or from elevated testosterone? We’ll all know as soon as I get those blood lab results.

To those toying with the idea of a first cycle, I highly recommend going with testosterone (with AI of course) alone so you can get a clear unsullied sense of how your body reacts to it. Then in future cycles you can add additional compounds one by one secure in the knowledge of what to expect.

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Just finished reading the whole thread. I hope the remainder of your cycle works out for you, Dynamo

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Trained chest, back, and shoulders today. Very strong and lots of drive in the gym again. I have surpassed my prior heaviest weight while on dbol and am also drier now. I am at 178 today. Just a whisker under 180. I guess it is safe to say that my test e is ok but it took a friggin long time to show itself (about 6 weeks!!!). Still can’t say if it is underdosed or not. Blood labs should shed more light on that.

Last few injects I upped the dose to 1.2 ml (250mg/ml). That’s exactly 600mg/w. I should get some more soon as I will finish what I have by the end of the scheduled 10 weeks. I think I’d like to push it to 12 weeks for max benefit.

I do get some lower back pain when I do RDL’s or hyperextensions. I don’t know if that’s a back pump thing like I hear happens with Tren?? I certainly hope I haven’t developped lower back problems. It clears up a couple of days after I train RDL or hypers.

At the rate I am gaining, it just might be possible to hit 190 by the end of 12 weeks. That is quite a quantum leap from the 156.5 that I started at. That would be a gain of 33.5 lbs. Probably way optimistic. More realistic would be 185. Still 28.5 lbs gain.

One thing I love is that my chest juts out way more than ever before.

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[quote]GGlife wrote:
Just finished reading the whole thread. I hope the remainder of your cycle works out for you, Dynamo[/quote]

That’s a lot of reading buddy. I hope it was enlightening for you. Thanks for the well wishes…

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I was looking forward to training this weekend, but unfortunately was struck with a case of food poisoning after my cheat meal at a chinese buffet. That left me writhing in discomfort overnight Friday culminating in waking up just in time to purge my stomach on the floor beside my bed.

That after many trips to the toilet and many after. I had 2 protein shakes, a chicken noodle soup and a small bread roll to eat all day. I slept 18 of the 24 hours. I woke up to feel much better this morning, but deceided to hold off training until tomorrow after work. So much for a nice morning workout on a relaxed weekend.

Hopefully I will have good strength tomorrow. Well I guess I have to be thankful it lasted only a little more than 24 hours. The rest and forced cleansing may even do me well.

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For those interested in my blood lab results, I’ll try and get them by Wednesday. I forgot to give my friend my hospital card today so it’ll take a little longer. Between work, training, groceries, cooking, etc. and not having a car to get to the hospital on the other side of town unfortunately it takes time. I’ll post results ASAP.

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:

I do get some lower back pain when I do RDL’s or hyperextensions. I don’t know if that’s a back pump thing like I hear happens with Tren?? I certainly hope I haven’t developped lower back problems. It clears up a couple of days after I train RDL or hypers.
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I think that you need to assess what type of pain it is and possibly drop those exercises from your toolbox, depending on if it is a form problem or worse.

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:

I do get some lower back pain when I do RDL’s or hyperextensions. I don’t know if that’s a back pump thing like I hear happens with Tren?? I certainly hope I haven’t developped lower back problems. It clears up a couple of days after I train RDL or hypers.

I think that you need to assess what type of pain it is and possibly drop those exercises from your toolbox, depending on if it is a form problem or worse.

Brook[/quote]

It is in the lower spine level just before the glutes. This developped since I began my cycle. I also get it when I lean over workstations to assist people too much. I was wondering if it could have anything to do with Adex after Bill Roberts recent comments on the over 35 lifter forum. The thread is “When is Bioavailable T Too Low?”.

The link is:

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_senior/when_is_bioavailable_t_too_low?id=2442858&pageNo=0

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Maybe - i wouldnt know about that… but i would be more inclined to suspect it to be something more common…

On that note is it muscular or spinal? Can you tell - and if not what would be your guess?

What do you think it is, in your heart?

Do you sit on a chair at a desk or PC for the working day? Hows your posture? What is form like in exercises mentioned?

God, i am starting to run through my regular sports injury intake questionairre here!

:wink:

BUSH-HYYY!

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Maybe - i wouldnt know about that… but i would be more inclined to suspect it to be something more common…

On that note is it muscular or spinal? Can you tell - and if not what would be your guess?

What do you think it is, in your heart?

Do you sit on a chair at a desk or PC for the working day? Hows your posture? What is form like in exercises mentioned?

God, i am starting to run through my regular sports injury intake questionairre here!

:wink:

BUSH-HYYY!

Brook[/quote]

It originates from the base of the spine but I suspect it is muscular. It started when I was using dbol and getting pumps. I trained today and my back was very solid. Actually the training seemed to shore it up after a layoff due to illness of 2 days. I do sit at a computer all day. Very sedentary.

Sometimes my posture is not the greatest, most often when I scan this forum in the evening. I strive for good form in RDL but there is an element of rounded back at the lowest point. It does seem to be improving so maybe it was a touch of overuse. The last 4 wekends or so helping with demolition work after a leg workout put extra stress on it.

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I have reduced my Adex dose once more to 0.25 mg E3D to coincide with my inject day this week. This in an effort to get libido up on the suspicion that my prior dose of 0.25mg EOD was maintaining a too low E2 level. Hopefully I’ll have some positive effects soon. Recently I have had a degree of libido but accompanied by a strange combination of not rock hardness yet hair trigger ejaculation with leakage prior to ejaculation. That is definitely not the best combination. I would like to get back to super hard and controlled ejaculation.

I trained after the horrendous food poisening I was struck with this past weekend. I lost close to 5 pounds and was not stellar in my performance today. Hopefully it won’t take long to get back on track and recommence setting PRs.

I am getting curious to see the blood lab results from last Monday. Should have them by Wednesday evening and will post them promptly. I want to see some seriously high free test!!