Good to hear man. Test sounds legit!
[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
Good to hear man. Test sounds legit![/quote]
bob_sander87,
Thanks bud…
I am worried. I felt like an old man in the gym today. I didn’t have that intensity and drive that I have had since starting the DBol. I shouldn’t feel this way after 36 days on cycle with 250mg test e E3D. Tomorrow is injection number 13. What gives? Either this test is under-dosed or it is cooking oil. This has really got me down. I can’t be sure just yet, but shouldn’t I be feeling like a bull at the gym?
To make matters worse, my gut is really bothering me. After all, I was aiming for a defined physique.
What bothers me the most is that I was making good progress from the DBol at least. I put on 20 lbs and got a fair bit stronger & bulkier. This proves that with good gear, I can make significant progress. To be this close and then have it snatched from beneath my feet is frustrating and demoralising.
Well I’ll see if this is an anomaly, but it is highly coincidental that I feel like crap 2 days after finishing the DBol kick-start phase of my cycle.
Sorry to hear this, Dyno. If it turns out to be bunk, I wouldn’t continue with E since you’d have to wait another 3 weeks or so to feel it. Maybe you should run out and score some prop to finish this one up. Hopefully things will take a turn for the better and you’ll be okay though.
Hey Shadow,
I felt a little better today. It may just be the dBol coming out of my system. That is pretty potent stuff. I still have libido and overnight wood so I’ll keep an eye on my progress. I train tomorrow so I’ll see how that goes.
There is one good side benefit of coming off the dBol. I feel less bloated.
Hey Shadow,
I felt a little better today. It may just be the dBol coming out of my system. That is pretty potent stuff. I still have libido and overnight wood so I’ll keep an eye on my progress. I train tomorrow so I’ll see how that goes.
There is one good side benefit of coming off the dBol. I feel less bloated.
Yea, it could be the dbol leaving. As long as you still have a heightened libido it’s a good sign. I didn’t feel like superman while lifting last time around so even that’s not a good ruler to gauge your test.
Interesting what BBB wrote on another thread about AAS not necessarily increasing workout intensity:
BBB wrote: “I don’t know if you are aware, but the presence of exogenous androgens wil drastically blunt your ‘fight ot flight’ respomse, making it harder to get ‘amped’ in the gym”
I trained today and it sucked. I have not lost too much strength, but my drive and energy in the gym has deminished greatly since I ended the dbol segment of my cycle 4 days ago.
I started a new thread:
Test E - how to fix cycle
I lost a couple of pounds of dbol bloat and its accompanying strength, energy, drive boost.
Either the test I have is weak, or I am a freak of nature, or one of the other compounds I am using is undermining the test e.
At this point I am wondering of I should just make a quick score of some test prop and finish the cycle with that?
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I trained today and it sucked. I have not lost too much strength, but my drive and energy in the gym has deminished greatly since I ended the dbol segment of my cycle 4 days ago.
I started a new thread:
Test E - how to fix cycle
I lost a couple of pounds of dbol bloat and its accompanying strength, energy, drive boost.
Either the test I have is weak, or I am a freak of nature, or one of the other compounds I am using is undermining the test e.
At this point I am wondering of I should just make a quick score of some test prop and finish the cycle with that?[/quote]
My vote is STILL to wait a bit - not necessarily till 8 weeks even as i previously said, (it is hard to attain the timeframes you are on here sometimes) but it has been 4 DAYS man! Give it time!
There is DEFINITELY time to recover this cycle yet… i do personally think it is the drop of methandrostenolone, and as i think it was shadow said, if you are hard in the night and morning you are DEFINITELY getting testosterone from somewhere! Stopping the HCG would give you a better idea as to if it is the only thing keeping the little fella perky, but it will take a few days to be sure. It may be a plan, as would to score some prop anyways - hell, you will always find a time and place to inject some more testosterone!!
And i am on my third day of my first taste of test prop and it is already looking to be my favourite testosterone ester.
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
I trained today and it sucked. I have not lost too much strength, but my drive and energy in the gym has deminished greatly since I ended the dbol segment of my cycle 4 days ago.
I started a new thread:
Test E - how to fix cycle
I lost a couple of pounds of dbol bloat and its accompanying strength, energy, drive boost.
Either the test I have is weak, or I am a freak of nature, or one of the other compounds I am using is undermining the test e.
At this point I am wondering of I should just make a quick score of some test prop and finish the cycle with that?
My vote is STILL to wait a bit - not necessarily till 8 weeks even as i previously said, (it is hard to attain the timeframes you are on here sometimes) but it has been 4 DAYS man! Give it time!
There is DEFINITELY time to recover this cycle yet… i do personally think it is the drop of methandrostenolone, and as i think it was shadow said, if you are hard in the night and morning you are DEFINITELY getting testosterone from somewhere!
Stopping the HCG would give you a better idea as to if it is the only thing keeping the little fella perky, but it will take a few days to be sure. It may be a plan, as would to score some prop anyways - hell, you will always find a time and place to inject some more testosterone!!
And i am on my third day of my first taste of test prop and it is already looking to be my favourite testosterone ester.
Brook[/quote]
Hey Brook,
I think I have to act quickly. No wood last night and another crap training session today. I am uninflating as we speak. Down 4 lbs. Strength is down too. I will pm you.
I went to see my local guy today to price his prop and maybe buy enough to tide me over until on more reasonably priced international order could arrive. I explained that I have just come off 5 weeks of dbol. He repeated what Brook said in my “test e - how to fix cycle” thread. He said it is normal to feel a couple of weeks of let down from the pronounced effects of the dbol. He said the test e is probably just fine.
He said it was completely normal to lose the water weight after the dbol. He offered tren acetate, sustanon, cialis, etc., but at that moment I decided to finish my cycle as planned and learn from it before muddying the waters further. I am just going to have to suck it in and plow ahead.
That said I thank you all for your input.
The decision was made easier because of my precarious financial situation as well. I really am loathe to go further into debt at this juncture. I must wrestle the bull by the horns and work that down and then come out the other side in possitive territory.
It feels good to at least make a definitive decision and move forward as best I can.
Best,
Dyno
Glad that you seem to feel a bit better about it (and how is your physique, gains, mind?)
and also get a back up going too by the sounds of it.
So have you started some prop then?
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
Glad that you seem to feel a bit better about it (and how is your physique, gains, mind?)
and also get a back up going too by the sounds of it.
So have you started some prop then?
Brook[/quote]
Hey Brook,
I wish I could say my physique and gains are moving along well, but that is not true. I was gaining at a good pace with the dbol even if it was fairly sloppy. Damn, it made me strong though; and the workout focus and drive were intense. I haven’t trained in two days now and last 3 times I trained since ending the dbol phase of the cycle have been dismal. No drive, reduced strength, lost weight. A positive is I am a lot less sloppy that I was beginning to feel, but that is scant reward with the loss of the psychological and strength benefits. I helped my brother with reno again yesterday and dragged my ass sorely as compared with the last few times I went there stoked on dbol. My morale has been the shits too. I was out and out depressed yesterday and the day before too. A real lot of negative dialog was looping bigtime in my mind and dark thoughts were also present. I have been susceptible to depressive bouts from time to time in tha last years. More recently I am also prone to anxiety which I never noticed in the past.
I did feel in good humour today however and I do have my good days. Sometimes I feel I can actually get a handle on things and get ahead, but much of the time I am conviced that I am powerless to pull out of what seems to be a downward spiral.
As for the prop, no I decided to put a stop loss on money expenditures until I have my head above water so to speak. I’ll just tough it out. After all, maybe my test is good and the prop wouldn’t even make a difference. I don’t have the financial luxury of definitively answering that question at the moment.
well my friend…
I too as others i know here do suffer from bouts of depression - and it is true in my view, that mixed with high dose androgens, it can make a depression worsen.
It is upto you whether to manage ot and continue or stop - but either way you’ll need to manage it - Exercise i use obviously - and very successfully over the past 10 years or so.
Drugs help, not recreational obviously, but prescribed or supplemented in intelligence - something many MD’s seem to lack sadly is my current depRESSING(!) view.
Take care and keep me updated either through this thread or via pm or email as to your progress as i do want well for you - not mainly in the cycle - although that will have a bearing on the end result - but on your wellbeing and mindset.
I am a miserable fucker and sometimes a good contrast is a good remedy… let me tell you some stories of solitude and depraved misery to make you sing your lungs full of joy at the new found lust you have for life!!
lol 
JJ
Thanks for the support and self depricating humor JJ. Your posts are never dull.
Damn, this is almost as bad as a few hours of exchanging emails with some girl you met on Craigs List. Then you discover she’s a nasty looking shit.
Owell, good luck Dyno. Hope everything turns out for the best soon.
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Damn, this is almost as bad as a few hours of exchanging emails with some girl you met on Craigs List. Then you discover she’s a nasty looking shit.
Owell, good luck Dyno. Hope everything turns out for the best soon.[/quote]
Thanks Shadow. Yes, hopefully I am due for a change in fortune.
i reckon you are too
I had every intention to train today after a lay off of 2 days and 3 prior sucky training sessions. I left work a little after 2 pm and walked home in the rain. Crappy weather. That never stopped me before. By the halfway mark I was outside the supermarket and stopped to decide if I would go to train and pick up groceries for dinner after or just stop and get them right away and relax at home, then train tomorrow.
I felt really tired for no reason. Muscles kind of ache too. Something is definitely not kosher here. Ever since the dbol run ended I haven’t had the energy to train effectively. I was in decent morale today even though it was a little hectic at work. Just dead tired after work. The thought of getting home, bussing to the gym, training, showering, grocery shopping, bussing home, cooking supper nefore finally being able to relax briefly before retiring just seemed too daunting. I often trained 5 days in a row after work & on weekends when I was on the dbol.
I feel like I’m crashing and the test e is no good. I still get wood overnight (which may be due to the hCG) and now with the 50mg boosted dose of Proviron I was even somewhat horny today. I am planning to get blood work done on Monday (in 6 days from now) and then I will have to wait another week to get the results. If it continues like this it’ll be pretty grim until then.
Maybe I should have acted quickly and gone with the test prop at first sign of a problem - finances be damned. I guess this just goes to show you that the best laid plans can go horribly wrong when the foundation of your cycle (test e) isn’t working for you (assuming it’s that). I have a hard time believing that a tried and true beginner’s cycle (test e, dbol, Adex, Proviron) would be so lame if all the compounds were legit. Hell I don’t even know what I weigh now. I’ll try to train tomorrow on the way back from work. I should get to the gym around 3 pm.
What I wouldn’t give for some vim & vigor. Especially in the gym.
On a brighter note, my doctor who had been treating me for HRT that discharged me as a patient finally referred me to a good endocrinologist. I guess judging by my bloodwork I’ll decide when it would be wise to see him.
Shit happens. Just got to deal with it.