Test Enth, Dbol, Proviron Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
I just recently started using 25G exclusively. When you’re actually injecting, it’s a little bit slower with a smaller pin. But I don’t think it really matters what gauge when you’re aspirating since nothing is going through the needle.

What brand barrels are you using? I’ve noticed the Exel’s are a bit sticky and harder to use than Terumo. They just don’t seem to glide as easy for some reason. Even my Terumo 29G slin pins shoot fast and smooth considering the size.

It could just be in my head. But maybe change brands just to see how it works for you.[/quote]

Yeah, I love how easy the 25G go into the skin and muscle. In my experience needle gauge does matter for aspirating since I squeeze a tiny droplet out the end of the needle when I prep it.

That provides lubrication and prevents injecting air. It also makes for oil in the needle which has to be moved when you aspirate. Hence the resistance.

I use B-D barrells. They seem to be very good quality. I noticed the resistance is the oil going through the small gauge needle when I emptied my pre-filled syringes to be filtered. It was really hard to squeeze the oil out of 25G needles to the point that I changed the needle to a larger gauge to accomplish that task.

Anyway, practice makes perfect as they say…

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Trained Quads and hamstrings today. Same program as earlier in the week.

I was a little stronger on front squats and leg press. Endurance was better too. I didn’t sleep all that well last night. I think I was still wired from the HOT-ROX. I am very sensitive to stimulants. I felt great all day after the HOT-ROX, but I hate messing up my sleep.

I trained two days in a row and will train shoulders/bi’s/tri’s tomorrow as long as I feel fine. Maybe I’ll start twice a day training 4 days a week in a week or two. Heavy/low reps am => lighter/high reps pm

My bedmate is going through a rough patch with her health leaving me celibate. The timing on this is not good. My other vixen friend is all into another guy who doesn’t give her the time of day so it’s no use telling her she turns me on. Kinda grumpy about the situation. She always tells me she has “her needs”. Why not satisfy each other’s needs? Seems simple to me…

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
My other vixen friend is all into another guy who doesn’t give her the time of day so it’s no use telling her she turns me on. Kinda grumpy about the situation. She always tells me she has “her needs”. Why not satisfy each other’s needs? Seems simple to me…[/quote]

If it were me I’d invite her over. I’d get her a little tipsy and casually brush my 30ml barrel against her while Bob Segar’s “We’ve Got Tonight” plays in the background. Then hit it like it owed me money because the other guy sure isn’t.

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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
My other vixen friend is all into another guy who doesn’t give her the time of day so it’s no use telling her she turns me on. Kinda grumpy about the situation. She always tells me she has “her needs”. Why not satisfy each other’s needs? Seems simple to me…

If it were me I’d invite her over. I’d get her a little tipsy and casually brush my 30ml barrel against her while Bob Segar’s “We’ve Got Tonight” plays in the background. Then hit it like it owed me money because the other guy sure isn’t.[/quote]

You’d do well writing XXX content. Yeah, sometimes I am this close to going there and then I realize it takes two to tango and she just ain’t there.

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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Nocturnally, nuts are always better than tube steaks.

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After reading John Berardi’s Gourmet Nutrition, I cooked my girl some tube steak smothered in underwear. Something about the 'cock’tail sauce really ‘fills’ her up.

LOL

Glad to hear the cycle is going good so far. Any headaches from the DBol?

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Hey DD,

My vixen friend did say my cooking made her hungry a few days ago, but damn it was rib steak!!

No headaches from the dBol. Feeling pretty good.

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Trained for 3rd consecutive day. I worked shoulders/tri’s/bi’s. Same workout as earlier in the week.

I am definitely getting stronger and had a good pump. Workouts are becoming much more enjoyable. I am starting to bulk up and weighed 166.5 today. Almost 10 lbs more than 2 weeks ago.

I want to keep ramping up my training to max out on hypertrophy. Recovery is really good. I am raring to train a different split everyday. I’ll see if that continues with the extra stresses of returning to work tomorrow after several weeks off.

Inject number 5 tomorrow. I am planning a Quad shot.

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lol you lot are all as bad as me - i have a name for myself as a dirty sex addicted fuck… too…! lol

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I did inject #5 in the left quad. I was in a hurry on my first day back at work and forgot to heat up the syringe. It still didn’t hurt at all?? Today was one of the days on my gear schedule that I take everything. So I pinned my hCG, drank my Adex, swallowed my dBol & Proviron.

I caught a break since my task today was simply to attend a workshop at a swanky reception hall. It was actually quite interesting and I got to see a lot of my colleagues. We also finished early at 12:30 so I went to train chest/back.

I am constantly a little stronger each day although after 4 days in a row, I could use a day of rest. I might train legs tomorrow. I might use Poliquin’s nausea workout:

3 sets

A1) BB Hack Squat 6-8 501 tempo (no rest)
A2) 45 degree leg press 12-15 202 tempo (no rest)
A3) Leg extensions 12-15 202 tempo (3 min rest)

I am looking way bigger already. I weighed myself and was processing that I have gained 10+ lbs in two weeks when a friend told me that since I stopped the manual labour I look bigger than earlier in the summer. Funny, seconds earlier I got that Ah-Ha moment thinking to myself “It won’t be long before people start to notice” and I better come up with a good comeback line like I have upped my eating big time and that is making a real difference.

I don’t know if this is just the dBol, but things are definitely ramping up. This is one crazy assed biology experiment!!

Well, I feel great and will try to keep up the intensity, eating big, and slepping well and see what I can accomplish here.

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Trained legs after work today. I did front squats NOT hack squats as I was a little tired. I woke up around 4 am and couldn’t fall back to sleep so I was a little sleep deprived.

My training didn’t feel as good as yesterday. I think my weekend carb meal really filled up my muscles on Monday. I trained 5 days in a row now. I need a rest. I want to get the frequency right and not short change myself by over training. I am starting to wonder if I should be eating more carbs. I really am eating mostly meat, eggs, green veggies, nuts, 0 carb protein shakes except for PWO when I have 60g carbs (16 oz pineapple juice) with my protein powder (2 scoops 54g). My calories are up there for sure and I have increased my consumption significantly, but maybe I need more carbs?

Well I have another early start at work tomorrow (7:30 am). I think I’ll take a day off training and relax a little after work.

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I trained shoulders/tri’s/bi’s today. 5th day in a row training. I think I’ll take at least a day off. I was surprised to see that I had lost a couple of pounds down to 166.5. I was 168.5 on Monday??

Re-starting work has been very stressful for me. I had an all out anxiety attack today. I was able to keep it under wraps, but I do not handle stress well. After lunch I calmed down. Maybe it’s all the cortisol that must have been floating around my system that caused my weight loss?

What started me off on a bad foot today was as I was drying, getting out of the shower. The towel brushed against my right nipple and it felt sensitive. I freaked that I might have early gyno onset and was very nervous. It just spiraled from there. I will up my Adex from 0.5mg EOD to 0.5mg ED. It hasn’t gotten worse but I definitely want to nip it at the bud.

I have noticed my face is more oily than usual. I wash it more frequently to keep it oil free. I have no acne and normally, my skin is actually a bit dry. I am realizing that steroid sides don’t just happen to other people. Let’s just hope I can keep my wits about me and counter any sides that come my way.

It’s funny on Monday after my cheat meal on Sunday, I felt huge at the gym and was sure that I was going to start to explode. I was actually worried about people easily catching on that I am on gear. Now, two days later I don’t feel that it is noticeable. Let’s see how the weeks progress. Today is the two week mark. Still early.

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I started the day nervous again about work and life in general. Once at work, my day actually went very well and I enjoyed the company of colleagues that I have worked with for close to 10 years. Hopefully this anxiety ridden first week of work will morph into a relaxed groove very soon.

I took a day off from training after 5 days on. I may take tomorrow off too and come back strong Saturday morning.

I did inject 6 in my right quad today. Again no pain. I used 0.5mg Adex as per my upped dosage of 0.5mg ED. Nipple sensitivity seems to have all but gone away. Any luck and this scary development should be a distant memory soon.

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I made it through the week and am now enjoying a relaxing weekend. Friday was stressful again as one problem at work during the day had a cascading effect making me play catchup for the remainder of the day.

I didn’t train on Thurs & Fri after 5 days on. I slept well last night as I was exhausted and demoralized. The positive spin off of that is that I am well rested today after close to 10 hours sleep.

I trained chest & back today and I can’t say I felt that strong. I lost count of sets so my 4 sets of chest turned into 5 or 6. I think I did an extra set on back too - 5 sets. I felt a good pump after.

I plan to train legs tomorrow and I will attempt to get a good amount of carbs in following that workout. That really pumped me up last week. In fact I weighed 168.5 after my carb meal last week and have back tracked to 166.5. I guess it’s more difficult to keep up the eating at work and then the extra stress and resulting increase in cortisol is counter productive too.

I wish I had gotten my gear at the beginning of the summer and had the whole summer to focus on training like in prior years (never before with gear though).

I hope the test e kicks in soon. At this point I am surprised that I haven’t gotten more results from the 30mg/d dBol alone? I’ve been on cycle for 2 1/2 weeks now.

My shoulders felt a little sore in the joints today. I don’t see it being Adex related. I am maintaining 0.5mg/d since my nipples felt sensitive 4 days ago.

Libido is nothing exceptional either. What’s up with that?

Well as they say “live and learn”. I guess I’ll go along for the ride and gain experience. If I have any revelations, I’ll be sure to pass them along.

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I haven’t posted to this thread for a few days now. That’s because I went through a rough patch and have been stressed out and anxiety ridden. I seem to be coming out of the fog today and had good morale throughout the day. It is just so much easier when you have good vibes to spread around. I am one of the most pleasant guys you’ll ever meet as long as your fortunate enough to catch me when I’m feeling great.

I think the main root of my problem is that I started my Adex several days into my cycle. If I had to do it again, I’d front load for a week or two BEFORE starting dBol & test e. Tomorrow is Day 22 and injection number 8 of 250mg E3D test e. I started Adex very light on day 3 with 0.2mg. After that I upped it a little to 0.5mg EOD.

On day 15 I felt sensitive nipples and upped that day’s dose to 0.75mg. Since then I have been using 0.5mg/d. That makes 7 days of 0.5 or greater mg/d. Only now am I starting to feel better and get a handle on elevated estrogen and the insideous effects it can have. They include the following (and I experienced every one):

-Loss of libido
-Fat gain and fat gain deposit patterns.
-Sensitive nipples
-Brain fog
-Low energy
-Loss of initiative

Below are some comments from KSman:

KSman wrote: You delayed stating your adex, in anticipation of E increasing later. But adex takes a while to build in the system and many would front load instead of holding back.

Loss of libido is very much a sign of increased E2, as is fat gain and fat gain deposit patterns. And the nipples tell us that your E is high, not very low. Along with this, the sensitivity of your penis can be reduced with increased E2. You can also feel brain fog, low energy and loss of initiative, even when TT and FT are high.

It takes 10-14 days for TRT guys to feel the effects of lowered E2. You should be there soon. Try to not skip doses and the catch-up dosing is a good idea.

Given your T dose, more adex makes sense. If 100mg typically needs 1mg/wk, try the .75

If your E2 goes very low, your emotional state could fall apart.

Loss of libido while also on proviron is significant. Do you know others who also use the same source and can speak to the effects?

Are you taking vitamin D with the shorter days?

SAD can certainly make borderline problems into big problems for some.

Taking vitamins?

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Good post, Dyno.

As for all the sides you’re going through, are you attributing them all to lack of adex? Or do you think the lack of libido may have more to do with the prov? I asked you about the brand of prov you got when you first got it. Do you think it might not be working?

I think my next go around will be something like yours. But I think I’ll front-load with prop for 2 weeks. From the last conversation we had about estro, maybe I’ll front-load my front-load with adex. LOL

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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Good post, Dyno.

As for all the sides you’re going through, are you attributing them all to lack of adex? Or do you think the lack of libido may have more to do with the prov? I asked you about the brand of prov you got when you first got it. Do you think it might not be working?

I think my next go around will be something like yours. But I think I’ll front-load with prop for 2 weeks. From the last conversation we had about estro, maybe I’ll front-load my front-load with adex. LOL[/quote]

Hey Shadow,

There are so many variables that it makes it hard to attribute blame. Let’s start with what I know for sure. Estrogen was (probably still is to a lesser degree) elevated. The sensitive nipples were a dead giveaway. The emotional instability, brain fog, and loss of libido sealed the deal. Now that means that something I’m consuming is aromatizing. I would guess the dBol and possibly the test e although I cannot be certain that either is legit. I have gained 13 lbs in 22 days from 157 to 170.5. That is about 50% muscle gain and 50% fat gain I would say. I have been eating more and my appetite has been greater. It is around this time in the cycle that I should feel the test e kicking in. Everyone is different, but 4 weeks in (soon) test e should be noticeable.

As for the proviron, I’m pretty sure Brook recognized the lab and vouched for it. I am only taking 25mg/d for the moment. I plan on upping that to 50mg/d for weeks 7 through 10. My nipples never went beyond being sensitive. There was no lump behind the nipple and the appearence wasn’t abnormal at all. The nipple itself did get more pronounced, but that is not saying much since I never had the very pronounced nipples that some (masculine) guys have. The soreness wasn’t anything raw, but more like when toweling off after a shower. Otherwise I didn’t notice them. Anyway enough about male nipples. I blame the adex so far and am hopeful that I can find a sweet spot for my dosage (around 0.5mg/d) and really enjoy the latter part of my cycle.

Everyone responds diferently. I never thought gyno or elevated estrogen would be an issue with me, but it turned out to be. Another thing KSman related to me is that different batches of Adex even from the “one” can differ in potency, so you must be nimble adjusting dosage at the first sign of symptoms when changing batch. Look at Saps. He never has estrogen issues. Lucky him.

I don’t think it would be ill advised to front load Adex at low dose (say 0.25mg/d or EOD) for a week or two before starting to pin gear. Once on, I would go with 0.5mg/d and look for signs of either elevated or too low estrogen and adjust Adex dose accordingly.

I guess it is key to get as bonified gear as possible.

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I just opened vial number 2 of BD Test E 250mg/ml. If you followed my thread from the beginning you’ll remember I ripped the metal crimping right off and removed the rubber stopper when I opened the first vial. Well it was as I said.

These vials are not capped in the normal way. I flipped up the cap and gently bent it back and forth until it snapped off. It would have been really easy to have removed the crimping again if I wasn’t really careful.

Most caps just lift off completely in one fell swoop. Not so for the BD vials I have. All the more reason to believe thay are counterfeit. Hopefully good counterfeit?? The oil is certainly smooth. I have done 8 injects so far and never once experienced pain or soreness.

I prepped my pin for tomorrows shot. I think I’ll do glute tomorrow. That’s the only major site I haven’t hit yet.

I am starting to feel much better. I had good energy today and good clarity of mind. I trained shoulders/bi’s/tri’s and have trained 6 days in a row now. I want to find the best balance of training just enough for maximal hypertrophy.

My libido is returning as my estrogen gets more and more under control. I have had frequent wood while sleeping the last few nights. I am starting to look longingly at any curvaceous female that comes within range. Cleavage and such is catching my eye a lot more.

I get a serious pump immediately after my first set when I train. It feels more like a bloat pump than a definition pump. It does feel good however and I do feel stronger. Not a ton stronger, but noticeably.

I am more into my workouts too and hate to take a day of rest even though I realize that it would be benificial to do so. I am still at 170 lbs (13.5 lbs heavier than 23 days ago when I started this cycle.

This is the heaviest I have ever weighed. I am hoping to get to 180 by the end of week 10. Should be doable since test E usually kicks in around this time (between 3 & 4 weeks in). I fervently hope that this test e kicks some serious butt!!

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Sounds like things are starting to level out for sure. Good to hear it. I hope you get those last 10 lbs.

I guess we should have warned you a little better about how easily aromatizable DBol is. I think it may be the main culprit as to what was converting. I think now that the A-Dex is getting control of your E, the effects from the proviron will be more pronounced.

This is a good opportunity for me to point out why so many of us think a single ester Test cycle is good for a first cycle. It is so much easier to sort out all the mishaps if you already know how certain substances effect the body.

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Thanks for the info, Dyno. I’ll go ahead and play around with it to see how it pans out. Especially this time around as I’ll be pumping a lot of test in.

I’m glad your second vial went well. Did they glue the cap on or what? LOL

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
Sounds like things are starting to level out for sure. Good to hear it. I hope you get those last 10 lbs.

I guess we should have warned you a little better about how easily aromatizable DBol is. I think it may be the main culprit as to what was converting. I think now that the A-Dex is getting control of your E, the effects from the proviron will be more pronounced.

This is a good opportunity for me to point out why so many of us think a single ester Test cycle is good for a first cycle. It is so much easier to sort out all the mishaps if you already know how certain substances effect the body.[/quote]

Hey DD,

Nice of you and your avatar to stop by. I agree with you on the dBol aromatization and the value of going with a single ester test cycle first time round to get a proper gauge on how it affects each individual with no confusion from other compounds. Very well put.

I have stayed with 0.5mg/d Adex, not wanting to overcompensate and end up with too low estrogen. I definitely am moving in the right direction and will be upping the proviron dose to 2 x 25mg/d in two weeks for the final 4 weeks. Things should start to get interesting.