After some cycle advice. I’m 28 years old. Done 7 cycles. Training 6 times a week in the gym + fasted 3 cardio sessions throughout the week.
Stats
177cm tall
89kg
9-10% BF (was 9 a month ago but slackened diet)
Trying to hit 3.3k calories a day which will put me in a 300-400 surplus for a lean bulk. Eating 6 meals a day.
Proposed cycle (16 weeks)
Anavar = @60mg per day Week 1-7
Test e = 750mg per week week 1-16
Primo = 600mg per week 1-16
Tren e = 250 per week 1-16
Proviron = 50mg per day week 1-16
Winstrol = 50mg per day week 12-16 (maybe)
Got caber, Ai, nolva, liver support ect all on hand will use throughout cycle.
I haven’t ran 750mg test per week. Thoughts? I am looking to put on as much lean mass as possible. I stay pretty dry and get bloods done every 4 weeks so e2 and prolactin will be monitored regularly.
250mg tren e thoughts? I loved my last 2 tren cycles at 400mg. Don’t want to over kill it this cycle as first time using primo so want to see that come through.
Anyone have advice or things they would change? Let me know if any more information needed.
I’m not going to advise on amounts but why would you want to use tren and primo? Pick one and let it shine. I’ve had great luck bulking on primo. Would never run tren for more than 8-9 weeks. I would prob also run Tbol instead of the other orals is as a starter or once progress stalls on lifts.
Lot of people say (from what I’ve read) primo and tren synergies well together. A harsh with a mild compound. Apart from some night sweats I get no other sides from tren even at 400mg and I recover well afterwards. Was just thinking good additional to the cycle for strength and aggression.
I always had diminished returns on Test E/C over 500mg/wk. At that point I would add a different compound instead of upping the Test more. Nobody knows your history or tolerance better than you and this is an advanced cycle. Neither Primo nor Tren aromatize and Primo can lessen the effect of E2. So up to you if you want to try 750mg or just run it a little less. I don’t see anything else that screams ‘wrong’ since you said you’ve had experience with Tren before.
Thanks blsahw for the response. Thats kinda went into my thinking re the bumping test because primo and proviron will do their little bit in the background for e2. Was thinking if I started bloating and holding water/blood pressure got out of whack I would just lower it.
Also re tren do you suggest keep low at 250?
By far most advanced I’ve done and most AAS. Usually I’m using half the amount of AAS but my body responds well and i keep it in check so just thought why not - just became single and want to be a little muscley fuck boy
How high have you gone? I haven’t gone ultra high (my highest was 875 mg/wk), but I know two guys that seem to think running north of 2 grams of Test a week works really well.
I was just talking with one of them yesterday, and he was saying that 2,100 mg/wk seems better to him than when he was running Test, EQ (or Deca) and Tren, at lower doses, but still totaling 1.5-2 grams a week. The other has told me in the past, that he was biggest and strongest running a vial of Test E a week (2,500 mg) and occasionally sprinkling in orals for performance. He was at one point like 5’11" and 250 lbs at like 10-12% BF (that was the point where he was taking a vial of test a week). These guys aren’t really bodybuilders though. Just really jacked powerlifters.
IDK what to think. The new school way seems to be running another compound after 750-1,000 mg/wk of Test. Lots of the mass monsters ran a ton of Test though, especially in the off season.
It would be nice to post some pics. I’m guessing you have a thick, hard look.
On your 7th cycle, what kind of AAS and doses did you do? I ask because I would only up the quantity 10%. You should respond optimally to that increase. Plus, it is nice to have room to increase the next cycle.
My previous cycles have been test only, test npp, test EQ and test tren. Never really had over 1k mg oils per week. I know this is a jump but from what I’ve read primo needs to be slightly higher to have better effects, test is only a smidge higher than other cycles and tren is just 1ml a week.
I believe I would just add a third AAS. My philosophy was testosterone, an injectable anabolic and an oral anabolic. So my initial thought is to add an oral AAS, while staying at the same injectable doses (of your last cycle).
I don’t see a problem with changing from npp to tren mid cycle. (same for orals, My long cycles had a contest at the end, so I would take the “wet” oral the first half of the cycle, and the “dry” oral the last half of the cycle.)
I don’t believe you need to take more than about 200 mg/wk of an oral, but it seems today most are taking much higher doses than I ever did.
As to the Primobolan: I couldn’t get that at a reasonable price, so I have no experience with it. Except that I heard it wasn’t a very effect AAS for adding muscle. Most of that was that I cannot imagine who could have afforded to take 600mg/wk.
With tren makes no sense. Its like peeing in an ocean. Wouldnt make any noticable difference.
Funny dose. I wouldnt run lower than 350mgs of Ace or 500 of E… 250E is like 175 of Ace or smth. I think at this dose, test will just do something, and tren will just be there in the syringe to make all the oils look darker yellow.
Doses like this would probably be smarter to run all year round. Then maybe we could debate its benefits fucking with the IGF and nutrient partitioning making it worth.
Same as Anavar - why?
Either run it or dont. Whats with the funny adding orals for a few weeks here and there. No one adds tren-ace or test-prop for 4 weeks here and there, why do people do this with orals? If you are afraid to fuck the liver use injectable winny or injectable dbol, or just up the dose on something else. What exactly can a drug do in 4 weeks?
When still dabbled I only used Tren once and it was at 210mg/wk Ace ester. I got pretty good results but like its 19-nor cousin Nandrolone I couldn’t handle the side. I’m not a good guy to ask about Tren, maybe @hankthetank89 could answer.
I went as high as 800mg/wk. I didn’t notice much difference than 500mg and I had way more sides. 500mg and under I don’t even need an AI and it was basically side effect free for me.
Thanks hank good feedback. I respond really well to var, lift like a god and dries me out. Proviron I love for libido and feel good. Not really an AAS more of a support with its DHT and low e2 benefits. Yea I got tren ace and e on hand. My frost tren cycle was 500 test e 250 tren e and it fucking rocked. Just thought cause of the amounts I am doing I would do a lower dose tren. Can bump. Winny I got a bottle left. Was more going to sus out where I am week 10 and if I feel like I needed more drying out.
The drying out is only there as long as you are on. I am aware of the cosmetic benefits of Var and Winny - i look twice as lean on them, while being same weight. That is why i take both Var and Winny together, from June to September (tank top and beach season) only because of the look it gives me. But this has nothing to do with any actual benefits. Its only cosmetic and only there while you are on. I dont see the reasoning behind looking a bit leaner only at the beginning of a cycle and at the end.
As far as strength benefits - yes, i love those too on Var and Winny but then you plan the powerlifting training and meets while on em. Doing 4 weeks at start and 4 weeks after doesnt do shit for a quality training to break the PRs… You will do at least 10 weeks of some strength focused training ON those drugs before you hit your PRs or competition lifts.
If you fuck your liver just to be stronger at some 10 rep max in the gym, i dont think its a good trade.
So if you take them for your looks, do it when you need to look good. If you do it for strength, its still at least 10 week prep and then PRs… What good does it have to have extra strength in 4 weeks, then drop it, then have some again later?
You are planning 750mgs of test. Most men get on TRT for libido… Max of 200mgs. You will be on 750mgs of testosterone which is medically speaking - libido in a bottle.
And if that aint enough, you will be taking tren. Tren is known to turn hetero males gay(because of high libido and perversity), or lower libido guys to turn into rape monsters.
If 50mgs of Proviron does ANYTHING for your libido, your gear is fake. At 750mgs of test your libido should be at the highest it can possibly be. If its not, its either fake, or there is some other problems going on like fucked brain because of porn use, maybe lack of cardio(which makes our body function worse) or too much of bad foods, or just overtraining and/or toxicity because of orals.
Also, Proviron if for your prostate what Winny is for your liver. It will fuck it up, but the benefits shouldnt be noticable if you are on testosterone AND tren.
Having low libido on 750mgs of test means there is probably something else going on. Proviron is not the answer.
Thanks hank. Nah no low libido. Again proviron I just like as it dries me out a bit. Makes me feel good last 2 cycles I have ran with it. Frees up test and slightly helps with e2. I got a mate in Dubai who works directly with alpha pharma and sends to me so not fake. Maybe I drop prov? Starting in a few weeks.
Re the orals like I said I get bloods every 4 weeks and liver is in good Knick. If I see that change I’ll drop the orals. As I said newly single I am looking for cosmetic but also ability to put a bit of size. My diet is very clean. Meats veggies rice egg protein powder and oats. That’s really all it is. 1 cheat meal a week I allow myself and usually after heavy legs.
This is interesting! On TRT libido is meh… okay ish, peaks and troughs. It gets worse the more T I take. Anything over 400mg… forget it, there is nothing there
Yeah, agree with this. Interestingly you mention cardio. Now I know we should all do cardio, but ill be honest ive neglected it. You would say this has an impact on libido/sexual function?
