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Yes, cardio has a lot to do with libido and sexual function.
I also say this from my personal experience. I used to be a full time fighter and a coach, so i basically had like 3 high intensity training sessions a day most times. Sometimes 2. Always at least 1. It had circuits, high intensity bodyweight stuff, sparring, different drills. My libido also was so high, some nights i actually tought that maybe i could get away with rape, cause its a middle of a night, and i live in a quiet corner of the city. Sometimes i would have had sex 2 times, id jerk off 3 more times, and id wake up at night with this idea, that maybe i can get away with rape.
I also was on 1 gram of test and 1 gram of tren. I always tought it was the tren.

So then covid started, the whole contact sport world collapsed in my country and i turned to powerlifting in my garage gym. I bulked, i lifted. Since i needed lots of calories, i didnt do cardio. A year later, my libido was shit. I was interested in sex maybe 1 a day, but i could easily do without.
So what did i do? I tough tren was the thing, and i did a gram of it… And… nothing changed. Yeah, strength, look, bla bla, but libido wise - ZERO changes. Cause i did 0 cardio.

In my experience i have noticed 2 things, which is bro-science, but i really feel it.
1)Low impact steady state cardio is what gives you comfort while having sex. If you can do a 15% incline walk for an hour at a heart rate around 130, you will feel good in your every day, you will be less tired therefore have more energy to look at tits and asses, and be more interested in sex in general. Also, if you have sex, you will be able to move more with more ease, not get tired therefore be able to think and do more nasty shit, because you wont be so tired from your daily stuff and not too tired from 10mins of sex.
2)High intensity stuff is what gives you the aggression in bed, because if you can do 40 burpees in 2-3mins non stop, you can also ramp up the hardcore for a while, hear her scream, and get excited about making it even more intense, which feeds your ego, feeds you aggression and libido even more.

Sadly, these things do not work in 1 week. In fact, the opposite. When i started cardio after 2 years of bulk and powerlifting, i felt WORSE and WORSE every day. I was more tired. I had WORSE blood pressure.
It takes at least 3-4 months of your suffering for you to start feeling the extra energy and libido to return.
It took me a total of 6 months of religious cardio, trying to improve the steady state long distance, and the explosive stuff, to be up for sex 2-3 times a day.
When i look back at my best records when i was fighting, i am at around 60% capacity now. I will see how it is after 6 more months when i am back to where i was.

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Excellent post, thanks. See, this is an area I need to hit. For 3 years, I’ve done the typical eat loads, lift, and minimal to zero cardio. Blamed my meh libido/erections on hormones alone. Do I look like I work out? Sure, people comment etc but am I fit and in shape? No way. In a top, ill look in shape, as where ive hit the weights the tshirts will be fitted in the chest/shoulders area, and then flow down. But if I take my top off youll see I am about 20% BF and have viceral fat.

I know my cardio system is tanked, because I can jog only 5 minutes without stopping and I couldnt do any HIIT stuff for shit. Your post has made me re think things alot. 4-5 gym sessions, and 1 (at most, and even that is not consistent) slow stairmaster for 20mins each week isnt going to improve this. Might have to drop down to 3 weights and 3 cardios, for example.

Why do you think it had such an impact on your libido and how good your sexual function was? Blood flow? Increased energy? Thanks for the heads up about cardio being a long game, ill know not to get dishearted after 1 month. Ps… get out of breath climbing the stairs also… and wonder why my sexual function and libido is shot!

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I think its two things…
First one is overall work capacity. We adapt to a certain amount of work we need to do. Our body wants to work optimally so we only have muscle and energy for what we need daily. If you only lift a bit for years, and you work, and have everyday stress about work and traffic and bills, you basically end up being able to do just that. Sex is pretty intense thing for one. And to be horny, you need to feel good. When we lack energy, food or health, the first thing that goes is the sexual function because our body is designed NOT to procreate when we dont have food or our living conditions suck. At least thats how we are programmed since the ice age. Species tries to procreate when living conditions are ok-ish.
So the interest in sex goes away first. Because your work capacity is only as much as you need it daily. And when you “force” sex, you cant perform, well - again, because you dont have the energy to do it.
Now imagine doing 2 hours of extra cardio a day(just an example) and adapting enough that these 2 hours feel like a daily routine. Nothing hard, nothing special, just your life, your lifting, and everyday 2 hour cardio. Now imagine 12 months later, you skip 2 sessions… What happens? You have the capacity, you have the ability, but you dont have anywhere to put it.

I rmb when i was fighting a lot, my every day night session started at 8PM. But since i was like 27 at the time, i had the “Tinder era” so i used to skip some, to go on a date. As soon as 8PM hit, my hands started shaking, my legs were skipping around, my body was producing energy to DESTROY shit, but i was on a date. So when it came to later in the bedroom, the energy i saved because of the missed training, was put to use. 90mins of energy that was used to break arms, and knee people in the face was smashed right in someones fuckholes.
So the first thing about cardio is work capacity. If you lift, its not a lot of work. So when you take the rest day, all you get extra is the small amount of energy needed to complete some lifting sets lasting 10 seconds each followed by 3 minute breaks in between. But when you pump burpees, and jump squats and hill sprints daily, and then you take a rest day, you recover and you have the extra energy needed for that. Its called work capacity.
You dont feel so tired from every day stuff, you recover twice as fast when you skip a day and you get all that energy to do stuff.

Now the second one is the sex itself. If your training consists of 10-15sec sets followed by minutes of breaks, you basically move like 7 minutes total and most of the gym time is breaks. Now, what kind of sex can be done if we follow these principles?
Basically, you start having sex and you feel tired, sweaty, every position sucks because you cant hold a plank for 2 minutes, you cant support yourself on your arms because you bench for 10 seconds, instead of 100 reps in 2 minutes, etc. You are basically NOT conditioned for sex.
Now when you spar for 3 minutes and have only 1 minute break, you are basically functioning at 160 beats for 3 mins, having only enough rest to change a partner, and go again, you condition yourself to pump your dick into the hole even if you are tired, even if you feel pain, even if your nose is broken, and you enjoy the sex, because your training sucks so much more, that having higher heart-rate is the least of your worries.
It is hard to be interested in fucking, changing positions, even enjoying the view of the woman, if sex is the most intense, most vigorous activity in your life.
When you will start doing high intensity you would notice, that you can put on your favorite porn, and do your circuit, you will not be interested in the process and 1 hour after. Why? Because you are so exhausted that your body has so many problems, that it doesnt even realize you have a dick.

That is why i believe this answer has 2 parts, and that is why i believe people need to do endurance work AND high intensity.
Endurance provides work capacity so you have energy to think nasty shit and want to do it. High Intensity provides you with a conditioning, so sex is not the hardest thing in your life.
If you cant survive a 5min high intensity work, you cant fuck for 5min, which means you will be tired if you try, and it is not enjoyable when you are tired, isnt it?
So your training needs to be the most sucky part. It needs to be twice the length you want to have sex, and twice the intensity, in order for you to be able to do everything you want, and not be breathing heavy and sweating like you are doing a stairmaster while you have sex.

So the next time you run a 15% incline, and it says that you did it for 2min, your heart rate is 170, and you feel like falling down, understand that you are conditioned to have sex for like 1 minute before you feel like shit.
And since you feel so horrible during sex, why would you wanna do it? Thats how libido is lost. No one wants to do extra work at night when tired. So you need to NOT be tired.

There are many approaches but i usually go by at least 1:1 principle. If i spent 30mins in a weight section, i will spend 30min in a crossfit or cardio machine session.
Now when you will feel like you have time only for one, you pick cardio. At least for now. No point of having muscles or strength if you cant even fuck anyone. And you wont lose a gram of muscle if you skip a session or two.

Another thing you can try is to change how you view training as such.
You can use cardio as your assistance work. Lets say you wanna bench and then do some bench assistance, like some extra push movements for chest, and some triceps.
So what you can do is make a circuit that has some sprints, with pushups, dips, some skip rope, or med-ball throws. Need back assistance? Do the rowing machine.
Need legs? Add bodyweight squats and kettlebell swings.
Train more like an athlete. You can train all the pushing and pulling and leg stuff with circuits and bodyweight stuff and your muscles will burn and so will your lungs.
After that, go pump the biceps if you want and you are done.

There is no need to separate cardio from weights. Do any crossfit WOD bullshit. I mean, just skip the leg day and do 500 bodyweight squats as fast as you can. Your cardio will be trained, and your legs will be more fucked that you could ever do that with weights.
Jim Wendler is a legendary powerlifter but his views has changed as he got older and he writes about some good stuff nowdays. He does the weight vest stuff, and lots of pushups and squats and pullups. He did MURPH every day for a month, etc. All of that is great stuff for muscle and for conditioning.
Maybe you could save a lot if time by changing how you view the training it self, train more like an athlete or a fighter, combine strength with intensity, so some rowing or sprinting in between sets, and you will be better in every aspect of your physical being.
Maybe even join a kickboxing or BJJ class, so cardio doesnt feel like a chore. 90mins of cardio will go by in a flash and you will also learn something new.
Maybe do 2 gym sessions and some 2 MMA sessions in any local class. It doesnt even need to be good, you just need to move and not be bored. Or do some crossfit, who cares - these classes are the best because you get in HUGE amounts of cardio minutes and since its fun, the time goes by so much quicker…
3 minutes on stairs is a pain in the ass. 3 minutes trying to to get kicked in the face goes by in a zip, haha.
Imagine you do some 2 MMA classes a week. Thats like 180 minutes of combined cardio right there. You dont even need to plan it, or think about it. You would need to do at least 25minutes on a treadmill or rower or stairs every day to get in that amount of time.
Also if you chose to do some fighting, crossfit or hey - do the NFL thing if you are american. Thats an epic sport. Or just some Rugby. I mean, it usually gives people some new goals to be better. You will WANT to have better cardio and be more athletic if you find a team or a class in which you want to be good at. Your training will have new meaning.

This makes one wonder how normal desk-job working people who don’t do cardio or lift weights even get the idea to have sex. Maybe there’s more to it than just physical ability.

According to the 2018 data on married people who shared details about how often they had sex in the past year:

  • 25% had sex once a week
  • 16% had sex two to three times per week
  • 5% had sex four or more times per week
  • 17% had sex once a month
  • 19% had sex two to three times per month
  • 10% hadn’t had sex in the past year
  • 7% had sex about once or twice in the past year

Id say ALL of them, besides the 5% who have sex 4+ times a week would be considered LOW LIBIDO. If we are generous, we can add the 2-3 times(my wife would explode if we’d have sex so little) and we come up to 20%, or only 1/5 of the people on the planet who have sex in “acceptable” amount, but even that - 4 times a week is NOT high libido.

For me, for the women in my life ive had, once a day is LOW libido. Always has been.
So you are right - average desk workers have low libido, and have sex in the amount in which i would have never been able to maintain any of my relationships.

Id say once day with no exception(unless it is limited by LIFE, not a will to have sex) is the bare minimum id consider the libido even existing.
2+ times a day, a minimum of 10-14 times a week is what id call NORMAL libido.
My libido when i described my life was at least sex 2-3 times a day, sometimes 4, followed by 1-3 jerk-off sessions. Now thats high libido.
So yea, you are right… most average people barely have sex.

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Based on your post, my libido would have to be classed as non existant. I can go weeks, months without having sex. Something isnt right, and it isnt hormones, as TRT hasnt made the slightest difference

What happens when you open some porn tube and search for some category that you might like and give it a try? Do you feel some interest rising, do you start wanting to browse the “related” section, etc? Or do you look at it like its golf on TV?

No so if I do open porn up I do get interested and enjoy watching. Same as I do think about sex and women sometimes throughout the day. So I guess libido is there to a degree. But that strong, almost agressive “I need you come here” , blue balls desire is just not there. Which is the type of aggression you were talking about in your earlier post. Like I think about women and sex so I guess thats some libido, but at the same time I’m like meh… havent got the energy cant be bothered. Which reading back on your great post does coincide. Then wonder why my erections are lacklustre, they all start in the brain and libido right, so if that desire is not there…

I think cardio might be the fix then. If libido is dead hormonally, you would see porn the same as golf on TV and wouldnt look at women at all. So you do have interest, you just cant be bothered to do something. Thats work capacity and cardio. You might also be overdoing weights. I know i care less about sex after heavy deadlifts, for example.

Yeah, agreed. Thanks for the words of wisdom. Im switching up my training to more high intensity and cardio, time to get fit and strong. Rather than strongish in the gym but then eating lots and sitting being a fatass. Now from what you say, these first 3 months are going to be tough… lets get it! Thanks brother

Yea, dont be discouraged if you feel much worse physically and libido-wise at first. Please keep us updated as we could all see how this works out for you month after month :slight_smile:

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I think this coincides with an average libido both in males and females. I feel the same way, especially as I get older. It’s there, I just don’t need to have sex every day. Maybe once-twice a week. Especially as I get older. This is fine for me especially because my wife is the same way. The only thing that can heighten my libido is certain AAS like Masteron. I think normal libido falls within a spectrum and just because you don’t have the need to have sex three times a day doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with you.

There are other things that affect libido and most are related to life circumstances (stress, work, sleep, marital disputes, other illnesses, family related issues, psychological issues etc).

I am effected in the libido department after high intensity compound lifts as well.

Anyways, there are many factors at play so there is not one single solution or fix for low libido, unless you have everything else in check besides that one that you are sure is causing the problem. But in over 90% of cases the problem is multifactorial, in every population group.

I thought most people in long term relationships didn’t have lots of sex because they are in long term relationships.
So split them up and have them see someone new or they start an extra marital affair and they start bonking like bunnies again?
But I agree its going to be different for everyone so interested to hear how this goes.

That’s why i asked about porn because to me low libido means low interest in sex in general, not the fact that you don’t want your wife. I have been lucky in my relationships and even after 5-6 years i still creep in the gym with a camera when she has new leggings and its squat or sumo day, or something. I have always been with women i like, and i have been lucky enough that they like me the same way, so the amount of sex she wants has never been declining so far.
So to me, a problem is when you dont want to have sex and have no interest in it. Now when you put on a porn, and suddenly you get hard, or you check out other women, its not low libido, its a problem of your choice of a partner.
Sure, i dont know how its after 15 years or when you are 45+, i have no experience in that but i have experience with 6+ years being identical sex-wise or even better so far.

But yes, of course there are many factors. And i also believe that some of those factors are related to our women. If she doesnt care to get your attention you stop wanting her and again its not low libido then.

So its very important first to understand is your libido truly low or you just dont care to fuck your wife for any reason.

I think the “new” thing works as long as you dont really like your wife. If we are being honest we have to admit that we mostly start dating whats available, not what we want. The girl you want doesnt want you, and the other way around. Also its not that we always meet the perfect sex-doll, sometimes we just meet a person, we like her, we decide to do the couple thing, but would she be your choice if you were given one in the first place, between her and 10 other girls? Probably no. In these cases cheating works, and in these cases lower sex drive comes with time.
I have been blessed by being with a woman id probably choose from 20 other options, so cheating, even tho INTERESTING idea, is near impossible because i wouldnt want a worse experience than i can get at home. But i have been in relationships where this is not a case and i believe most people are in those kinds of relationships where the couple thing happened because it happened, not because you both picked each other as a first choice out of many other options. So the libido thing gets even more complicated.

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