Test E, Deca, Dbol... Please Help

Hi all, im new here but been learning a lot the past couple of years from this website.

I`m 25, been training for 9 years on and off but started taking it seriously a year and a half ago.

I’m 5’11.
214 pounds.
BF around 13-15 %
waist 32 Inch
small bone structure (tiny wrists - tiny ankles)

i have done a cycle when i was 18 test e and Dbol, kept only half the gains because the lack of knowledge, i know now that it was wrong to cycle when ur 18, but sH*t happens. when i was 22 did a sust and Dbol then took a brake from steroids until i reached 25 to read and educate my self.

My first proper bulking cycle ended a month and a half ago and it was:
Week 1-10 test E 500mgs/week - injecting twice a week
Week 11-12 test prop 400mgs/week - injecting eod
Adex 0.5 eod and 0.25 on week 12
PCT:
started week 13: Nolva 40,40,20,20
finished my PCT 3 weeks ago and lost 4 pounds max but gained a bit of fat

i wanna start my next Bulking cycle 4 months from now, it will be:

Week 1-12 test E 500mgs/week, might alternate the last 2 weeks with test prop (if i can get it)
Week 1-10 Deca 200mgs/week for 10 weeks
Week 1-16 Dbol 20mgs a day
injecting twice a week both test E and Deca (250mgs test, 100mgs Deca per injection)
adex 0.25 a day, might go up to 0.5 a day if i feel that i need it
vit B6 200 mgs

Pct:
Nolva starts 2 weeks after the test E. 40,40,20,20

my question is,

  1. DO I HAVE TO USE CABER FOR THE 200mgs OF DECA OR MY BODY WILL TOLERATE IT?
    I READ A POST FOR BROOK SAYING THAT A PERSON NEEDS CABER IF HE’S EXCEEDING 400mgs of Deca

2)opinions on the cycle will be appreciated

would like to hear from:
BONEZ217
Brook
bbb
rrjc5488
FuriousGeorge

Thanx alot guys for taking the time

I would keep caber on hand AT THE VERY LEAST. If you’re not going to use it. But, then again if you’re going to pay for it to have it, you might as well use it as insurance against prolactin problems.

Also, 20mg/day for dbol sounds kind of low. I think you meant 1-6, not 1-16 for the dbol, too. If so, I’d use the dbol for the last 6 weeks (9-14) right before PCT.

Frontload the test and deca, too.

Not that you asked to hear from me, but I agree that you should at minimum have it on hand. Everyone reacts differently to prolactin. There for you can never be too safe. And Dbol should be at 40-50mg minimum, and also agree to frontload test and deca. Keep an eye on bloat, water retention, and nipple sensitivity .25 adex/ed should be fine. I would probably up the Deca to 300mg, but that’s just my opinion. Best of luck…

Very similar cycle to mine but using 750mg/Sust & 300mg/ND 40mg/Dbol

I’d frontload both injectibles and cut the duration a bit.

20mg of dbol is sort of low. But I also think that 50 is a lot. Take it all preworkout, whatever you choose.

Acquire the caber. High prolactin doesnt just cause sexual and mental side effects. It will also hinder recovery. If you don’t want to buy caber in pill form, don’t use deca. There are plenty of other options. There is no way to know if 200mg of Deca will cause problems. It probably won’t but if it does and you don’t have a dopamine agonist it wont be comfortable.

Thanx alot guys for your input…

Randizo your opinion is always appreciated, my bad

the reason why i dont wanna go to high with the Drol, its because my body grows like crazy with small amounts.
i wanna keep my doses low with Drol and Deca cause i wanna save the relatively high doses when i start competing. (any thoughts???)

so this is the upgraded cycle

Front load both injectibles (Test E 750mgs - Deca 600mgs),
Week 1-10 test E 500mgs/week, might alternate the last 2 weeks with test prop (if i can get it)
Week 1-8 Deca 200-300mgs/week
Week 6-12 Dbol 30mgs a day
injecting twice a week both test E and Deca (250mgs test, 100-150mgs Deca per injection)
Adex 0.25 a day, might go up to 0.5 a day if i feel that i need it
Caber 0.5 twice a week
Pct:
Nolva starts 2 weeks after the test E. 40,40,20,20

last question just for the sake of ONLY knowledge:

if i switch the Dbol with Anadrol, should i still take it at the end of the cycle and is 50mgs enough?

Thanx

Start the caber 2 or 3 weeks into the cycle if you decide to use it. With low dose deca I definitely don’t recommend using caber right off the bat.

thanx alot BONEZ, the info is really useful.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Start the caber 2 or 3 weeks into the cycle if you decide to use it. With low dose deca I definitely don’t recommend using caber right off the bat. [/quote]

Sorry, forgot to ask about this earlier.

when do you think is a good time to stop caber? after the last Deca shot or the week before PCT?

Start tapering off of it a week after the last deca shot and try to be off it completely a few weeks after that.

cheerz BONEZ

Just a small Question BOnEZ or anyone else…

I’m going to start the (Test, Deca, Dbol) clean bulk cycle in three weeks but I have a bit of bodyfat, actually some fat, maybe 17%.
I have some Winstrol (Azolol) tabs 5mg (unlimited supply) so…

  1. Do you think it would be a good idea to run these tabs for the 3 weeks before the cycle, so I’d start my coming cycle at a lower BF%, or it won’t really make a difference?
    P.S: 3 weeks on winny tabs (maybe 30mgs-40mgs) - alot of cardio - high protien, low carb.

  2. Should I consider adding the winny tabs anywhere in the cycle( when? What dosage?)

Thanks in advance

me personally, I would use it at the end of your cycle, start taking it right around your last shot deca. It will allow you to have an active androgen in your system while your injectables taper off… and it is great for hardening up, all kinds of benefits.

thanks idowhatican for the input…
so you are saying that i should use it weeks 11 and 12, with the Dbol.

Do you think that i can see results from 2 weeks of winny tabs?
P.S: never used winny before

Anyone have a different opinion?!?!

Tough one.

I have used winny alot and at different doses (25-100mg ED) inject and oral.

I like, and dont like all options.

Winny is not very androgenic primarily anabolic in nature and wont do much.

1.Winny at the end with deca and no test = Hardening but possible worse sexual dysfunction + possible extra loss of mass unless high dose winny is used

2.winny during cycle = uncomfortable due to toxicity and running it long time for virtually no gain
on cycle except ‘possible’ anti progestin and I believe…a lil less water - not proven

3.winny begining cycle = loss of muscle cutting before injectables kick in unless high dose used but may help in dropping a few kilos fat before you cycle gets going if diet+cardio is 100%. And you will look better.

If I had the option id go for number 3 with deca. And Id end it instead with dbol only (highly androgenic) low dose to try and help possible deca libido crash post cycle and help retain gains. Think retain post cycle not cut.

If you cut too soon youll most likely loose alot of your gains.

thanks smith machine…
my main concern is not to look good or because summer is coming up. my main concern is to get as big as i can but quality mass of course. i want to pack as mush muscle as i can before i start competing. i am against competing under 202 LBs for tall guys. i see no use. just another ripped skinny guy.

i am sticking to my (test,deca,dbol) cycle. but i was wondering if i should drop some body fat using winny before.
i generally don’t like deca but it was the only thing i could get, so i will never use deca alone with winny.

THE QUESTION IS:

1)using winny tabs for 3 weeks before the (test,deca,dbol) cycle to start the cycle a bit lean? (yes, no)
(keeping idowhatican’s opinion in mind - it makes sense to me)

Did HCG during cycle go out of fashion?

BONEZ, Randizo, rrjc5488
Anyone???

Your revised cycle is much more reasonable

Also. like xilinx hinted at: HCG would help recovery

Lastly, you can’t run winny before your cycle. You can’t run a little juice before you cycle, just like you can’t be a little bit pregnant. So now ask yourself: should you start a 15 week cycle with low dose winny run on its own? I am leaning towards no. Too much extra time with HPTA suppression with little benefit.

[quote]OTS1 wrote:
Your revised cycle is much more reasonable

Also. like xilinx hinted at: HCG would help recovery

Lastly, you can’t run winny before your cycle. You can’t run a little juice before you cycle, just like you can’t be a little bit pregnant. So now ask yourself: should you start a 15 week cycle with low dose winny run on its own? I am leaning towards no. Too much extra time with HPTA suppression with little benefit. [/quote]

+1

[quote]Nidal AK wrote:
thanks smith machine…
my main concern is not to look good or because summer is coming up. my main concern is to get as big as i can but quality mass of course. i want to pack as mush muscle as i can before i start competing. i am against competing under 202 LBs for tall guys. i see no use. just another ripped skinny guy.

i am sticking to my (test,deca,dbol) cycle. but i was wondering if i should drop some body fat using winny before.
i generally don’t like deca but it was the only thing i could get, so i will never use deca alone with winny.

THE QUESTION IS:

1)using winny tabs for 3 weeks before the (test,deca,dbol) cycle to start the cycle a bit lean? (yes, no)
(keeping idowhatican’s opinion in mind - it makes sense to me)[/quote]

I know what your thinking, and I dont think its going to work like you think.

You cant just drop fat like that in 3 weeks without significant muscle/strength loss more than likely with just a bit of winny.

If you want to start lean…then maybe cardio, cut calories like you said and mini cycle 2 on 2 off prop and winny then nolva, repeat could help you there.

Then start your full cycle after pct and leaner.

And get the mass your after…Or forget the 3 weeks lean now and bulk then lean out after cycle and over time.

Even if you were to lean a little in 3 weeks with just winny…how much of that would you still notice after bloat bulking phase kicks in a few days later…my guess is zero.

I find i am dryer on winny loosing subq water moreso than burning fat. Which comes back some time after stopping the winny