This is not an Anavar and Winstrol stack question where everyone will say not to do it. And I will be doing both of them (not together), so please don’t tell me to throw one away if you feel it’s not worth it for whatever reason as that is not the question. Sorry, but I’m hoping I can get some answers to my actual question and I would really appreciate the advice.
First I’m on TRT, get my labs often, will be taking liver support and will have a very strict diet including tons of water…
I have both Anavar 50mg per day and Winstrol 50mg per day for a full cycle of each and I want to get as lean as possible with these 2 (+ TRT) over the course of 1 cycle, the necessary break in between and then the 2nd cycle. They are also both high quality, so the Anavar is definitely not Winstrol.
I will not be taking both at the same time. My question, however, is whether or not there is any benefit whatsoever splitting the cycle up and taking one the first half and the other for the 2nd half of the cycle. I have both, so I was just curious if there was any reason to do this. And if the answer is that there are benefits to splitting up the cycle, which should be taken first?
Or that it doesn’t matter and take 1 for the full cycle, wait the safe amount of time and then do the other for a different full cycle?
Your question depends on how developed you are Imo. The more developed, the more it makes sense to cut with drugs, and using bigger dosages. You will not likely build a ton of muscle, so how much do you need to preserve what you got?
For myself, I like to cut just on cruise (175 mg/wk test E). I figure lose the weight, then blast in surplus. Muscle loss comes back quick on blast. Have you thought about cutting just on TRT, then use your orals for a 4-6 week blast? I bet you look the best doing that over cutting with orals and then going back to cruise, but then again if your huge that might not be the case.
I know that it’s legit because my doctor who is a leader in the sports science field prescribes everything for me from the same pharmacy, which is very reputable. Everything that I have received is legit, so I don’t know why it would be any different this time. I just can’t ask him this question because he doesn’t prescribe 2 compounds at the same time (not counting TRT). I got the Anavar 6 months ago but never used it. My diet is on point, which I got from a nutritionist that is also a trainer (who’s in ridiculous shape). I can list out what I eat but I think that should tell enough that I know what I’m doing based on his great advice (I asked him a million questions).
So back to my question: does it do anything whatsoever to split the cycle up and take both in the same cycle?
I got my weight way down and added a lot of muscle on just TRT and now want that extra help to cut up and add more muscle.
As i wrote in a last thread about anavar : “There are no steroids that do anything to fat cells.
All ANABOLIC steroids are…yea…ANABOLIC. Meaning - they help to grow and repair tissue.
Anavar was made for burn victims, because it repairs broken/burned tissue but it also has an interesting effect on skin - it does make it much thicker and stronger. When i pin slin or gh SUBQ it goes in super easy. If i take anavar, every time i stick the slin needle in my skin, it first stops, then i apply more force and then it goes like “click” pops the skin and goes in.
Because it has this effect on skin, IF you are super lean already, it will create an illusion of you looking more lean. It doesnt do shit to fat or water, it just makes your skin look better on your already shredded body. If you have an ounce of fat under it, it wont do shit.
As far as cutting - no steroids help with that. Unless you have some of the few medical conditions that cancel this, its calories in vs calories out. No way around it. You will lose fat at the same rate no matter what you take.”
I agree with @mnben87 to cut with trt as any steroids help retaining muscle and none help to lose fat. And use the drugs for what they are ment to do - build muscle. Losing fat and building muscle are 2 opposite things with different diet and exercise approaches tho.
Aaanyway about your question - i find anavar to be female stanazolol. Stan is much stronger but its also much more toxic. You can start with stan and finish with var to give your organs a lil break tho.
The problem is in the fact that none of these actually helps to lose weight so no matter how you take em, your goals wont be reached better or slower.
People usually end with var because if possible cosmetic benefits but those appear only if you are already lean and only for the time you take var.
I completely understand what you are saying and I get
that directly yes, that’s true, but isn’t it also true that the more muscle that you gain the more calories that you can burn and thus more fat or is that false? So I guess a better way of asking is which builds more muscle to then burn more fat? And doesn’t Winstrol help you build more muscle than Anavar, but also dries you out more giving you that more “cut” look without it necessarily losing fat itself? Or Anavar makes you look more vascular, increases strength more, etc. There are things that each does, they aren’t the same compound.
So that’s why I was wondering if there would be any benefit to take in the same cycle splitting them up or if it doesn’t matter as you would end up looking the exact same way (with all other things being equal like diet, etc) eventually after you finished both cycles.
Another difference isn’t Winstrol more toxic so maybe the benefit is just solely that you would be taking Winstrol for a shorter period of time.
I couldn’t find anything on this, so I thought that I would throw it here to see what people said about the topic. Maybe I was just overthinking and that it doesn’t matter either way.
I don’t think you understand the question you’re asking. Or maybe I don’t understand what you’re getting at.
Are you trying to lean out or build muscle? It sounds like you’re trying to say “both” (?)
The point in my initial question of “how much weight have you lost on your own so far” wasn’t that I actually needed to know - its that if you aren’t already peeled, you don’t need winny/var to lean out. Your response of “I got my weight way down and added a lot of muscle” is honestly pretty ambiguous… leads me to believe you haven’t even started your cut yet. Is this the case?
On a cut, unless you have amazing genetics or are using high dosages or harsh compounds or both, you probably are not gaining muscle. You are trying to hold on to muscle. AAS can help you hold on to more and keep your metabolism up, yes. How much help you get will depend on how big you are and how lean you are trying to get. A 5’10" 250 lb guy at 10% trying to get to 5% will get a significant boost. A 5’10", 220 lb guy at 15% trying to get to 12% will not get a significant boost, and will not lose a lot of muscle on just TRT.
yes, but you said you are cutting… in order to build muscle you need to be in a caloric surplus and you will gain bodyfat because that is the only way you can tell taht you are eating enough and using your muscle building abilities and drugs in a optimal way.
when losing fat you are in a caloric deficit and you take steroids to maintain muscle while being in a deficit, but every steroid maintains your muscle - a low dose of test does this, so there is no need to take extra shit unless you are 240lbs lean and going to be on a stage.
yes, i believe in a caloric surplus Stanazolol would build more muscle than Anavar.
about the cut look its individual - also keep in mind that Anavar is more expensive so people dont take it as much as needed…
People will take 50mgs a day of stan, and will take 50mgs of Var… these are not comparable dosages… you need to take at least 100mgs of Var to compare it to 50mgs of Stanazolol.
Yes, but taking it shorter period of time gives you shorter period of gains… its not like you can substitute one for another.
You guys are trying to zero in on exactly my situation but that’s because I wasn’t clear, so my bad. I was just wondering in general if it makes any difference whatsoever splitting them up vs taking just one for the entire cycle, waiting the appriotate time and then doing the other one for the entire cycle. The specifics obviously matter because they only do so much and why you were asking. Again, my bad!
OK, so here’s my specifics… I’m not going to take them until I drop down to around 10% - 12% body fat on a calorie deficit/strict diet with just the TRT. It would probably put me at around 190 lbs and I’m 6 feet. Once I get to that point I will then go on a calorie surplus along with either one of them or both splitting them up. My goal is to not look like a bodybuilder, I would take something different and up my TRT dose as well if I wanted that. I want to look extremely athletic like an NFL strong safety at around 220 lbs or so. Not like a WR or DB, but not huge like a middle linebacker either. It’s the only thing that I could think of to reference what my goal is. So back to the original question, does it make any difference splitting them up or does it not matter? I have both already and I’m ready to go as soon as I get my body fat % down. I’m at around 16% or so right now, so I have a ways to go. I just planned ahead and got them early.
I’m confused now. Are you planning on ending your cut around 10-12% BF? Or hoping the var/winny will keep leaning you out while in a surplus?
Var tends to get you strong and can help lean you out a little. Winny tends to put on a little lean mass, some people say it helps burn fat, but will make your joints feel like shit.
Right after I submitted my reply I told myself, wait a second is this the best approach because couldn’t both of them help preserve muscle while in a calorie deficit? That’s why I’m on here asking questions. So is there one that’s better than the other on the defecit and one that’s better on the surplus? Because that right there would help me out a ton and tell me what to do.
It’s true, but the effect is maybe less than you’d hope. I always thought 1lb burned an extra 10 cal per day, but a google search tells me it’s 6 cal (maybe it’s neither, measuring individual metabolism is probably needed to see how you personally respond). So not exactly knocking it out of the park with that higher metabolism.
The point is, eat just above maintenance, use AAS, Winny/Var/Whatever and build some muscle, say 5 lbs, yes now you’re burning a few more calories per day than you were before. But that’s not gonna get you cut. If you’re already lean then trying to build muscle in a deficit, even while using AAS, is gonna be near impossible. So if you’re not in a great state to build muscle, why take drugs whose sole purpose is to build muscle. Save those for your building phases. Just use test (bump the dose a bit if you’re worried still) and use your diet to lose the fat. Then throw in all the AAS you can handle and build it back after