[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I would like to know the truth.
The traditional “liberal” media makes it seem so cut and dried. The decision looks simple. Let her go.
The “right wing” media paints a picture with many more details. It sure seems like her “husband” has been holding back therapy for years.
After hearing the “right wing” media, it sure is a tougher case.
Is the “liberal” media withholding information or is the “right wing” media just lying?
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Good question!
The Media Research Center has analyzed it and found the mainstream media has of course slanted it. I can find the link for you if you need, but I think it’s MRC.com.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
If my wife were in Terri’s situation, and I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that she didn’t want to be a vegetable, I’d kill her. I wouldn’t hide behind the skirt of a pussy judge. And I goddamn sure wouldn’t want her to suffer. But this dicklick of a husband hasn’t got enough balls to do what he says Terri wants.
That’s the problem I have with this case. The mere fact that he hasn’t done a manly thing in the 15 years of this ordeal speaks volumes about the lack of character he posesses.
If that sorry motherfucker cashes in on a life insurance policy, we’ll know his true intentions.[/quote]
You are full of crap. Either that, or one scary mo-fo!
Why am I full of crap? For that matter, why would I qualify as a bad mofo?
My wife and I talked about it. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I knew that my wife might be suffering. I would either do all I could to make her better (which shithead WON’T do), or make her not hurt anymore (which shithead WON’T do either). Starving my wife until she expires is not an option. My wife begged me with a clear mind, and clean conscience, not to let her be starved to death.
I believe in the sanctity of life. I believe that every option should be explored to protect that. Mr. Schiavo could do that if he wanted to. He chose to refuse treatment, refuse her food, and wait for her to die. The problem is that she won’t die by any other means but starvation.
I don’t give a shit if she’s a vegetable or not. I don’t give a shit what the ‘experts’ say she can or can’t feel. She’s a human being. She should be treated as such - not starved like a concentration camp prisoner.
If she is going to die, end it now. He should have ended it years ago. But he don’t have the balls to do it. He says he loves her? Bullshit. He’s what folks in the insurance business call a ‘beneficiary’. He quit giving a shit about anthing but money years ago.
[quote]johnny quick wrote:
Everybody agrees with the dr. of his/her choice. It’s like the roman circus, thumbs up or thumbs down. Life is precious. What if 20 years from now there is a cure for Terri’s condition? With the miraculous scientific discoveries we witness every day, isn’t that a possibility? What do you lose by keeping her around? If there is life, there is hope![/quote]
How can such cures be found whilst abortion is being hunted politically (less stem cells) and therefore stem cell research is curtailed?
And what if in twenty years time there is a cure??? what if in 20 years tim there is a cure for diabetes. does this mean i should open the creamy whip and dive into obesity. no, my quality of life RIGHT NOW is non dependant of future.
and what “miraculous” discoveries do we witness every day. you make it seem like they come easy. Parkinsons, for example is a very heavily funded and researched area, yet the mechanisms aren’t understood.
what area of neurscience do you think will extrapolate to this poor ladies predicament that has researchthat will translate to tis condition (ie necrosis of the brain)?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I would like to know the truth.
The traditional “liberal” media makes it seem so cut and dried. The decision looks simple. Let her go.
The “right wing” media paints a picture with many more details. It sure seems like her “husband” has been holding back therapy for years.
After hearing the “right wing” media, it sure is a tougher case.
Is the “liberal” media withholding information or is the “right wing” media just lying?
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Like with all things the “truth” is a subjecive experience. sheesh, if i have a car accident and i was there, 5 minutes ago, i would have a different recollectionand interpretation that a witness who was 20 yards away.
[quote]miniross wrote:
johnny quick wrote:
Everybody agrees with the dr. of his/her choice. It’s like the roman circus, thumbs up or thumbs down. Life is precious. What if 20 years from now there is a cure for Terri’s condition? With the miraculous scientific discoveries we witness every day, isn’t that a possibility? What do you lose by keeping her around? If there is life, there is hope!
How can such cures be found whilst abortion is being hunted politically (less stem cells) and therefore stem cell research is curtailed?
And what if in twenty years time there is a cure??? what if in 20 years tim there is a cure for diabetes. does this mean i should open the creamy whip and dive into obesity. no, my quality of life RIGHT NOW is non dependant of future.
and what “miraculous” discoveries do we witness every day. you make it seem like they come easy. Parkinsons, for example is a very heavily funded and researched area, yet the mechanisms aren’t understood.
what area of neurscience do you think will extrapolate to this poor ladies predicament that has researchthat will translate to tis condition (ie necrosis of the brain)?[/quote]
yeah yeah yeah…Mike’s lawyers say she’s starving beautifully. Her parents lawyers say she’s not.
Right now a friend of the my mother’s mother is full of cancer, diagnosed with weeks/days to live. She’s on a patch to relieve the pain. The patch is making her so spacey she’s not eating or drinking, and her eyes are sunken and her lips and tongue are swollen and cracked/bleeding.
FWIW.
RJ
Nothing personal, but you are full of contradictions. You believe in the sanctity of life, but would kill your wife so she wouldn’t suffer. Dead is dead my friend no matter how you get there. Also, I believe that most concentration camp prisoners were human themselves, and should have been treated as such.
I respect your passion for life, but alas I have to qualify life. For my wife, my kids, and myself–what constitutes life and when is it over. Not an easy decision, and most certainly a private one. I hope neither
one of us EVER has to make that decision.
PSSSSSSSSSS–there is no life insurance policy. He was offered 1 million to give her care to her parents. He says this is what Terri wants. Just like your discussion with your wife–would you then not follow through with her wishes?
Look, I can understand why there is such a large push from the other side on this. However, starving someone to death should really not be an option. Then again we suck unborn children out of their mothers wombs like so much dirt going through a vacuum cleaner, so I suspect that this is just one more step in the slippery, (“there is no right or wrong”) slope sort that we are currently on…sad.
I believe in the sanctity of life, and my willingness to do what needs to be done in order to preserve my wife’s happiness in no way contradicts that. Starving a human being to death is neither humane, nor does it respect anything.
Where I come from, you don’t allow animals to suffer. You put them down. You don’t sit there and watch them starve to death. If you can’t understand the difference between showing mercy on someone and torturing them - ‘dead is dead’ - there is really little else to discuss.
If you can’t see that there are folks in Florida STARVING another human being to death - no mercy, and not feel that there is something fundamentally wrong with that, then you have far deeper problems than being confused over my statements.
The only thing wrong with your grand cavelier statements are the laws that we are governed by. I believe what would have been best would be a quick painless ending. Hell we now afford our most murderous members of society that way out. I don’t make the laws, I just try to abide them. I never once said I liked how she was dying, just that that right was afforded her husband. Get over yourself. You would kill your own wife quickly, but hold it against this guy to go through the system as it is and follow their rulings. HE is not starving her, the STATE is.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
The only thing wrong with your grand cavelier statements are the laws that we are governed by. I believe what would have been best would be a quick painless ending. Hell we now afford our most murderous members of society that way out. I don’t make the laws, I just try to abide them. I never once said I liked how she was dying, just that that right was afforded her husband. Get over yourself. You would kill your own wife quickly, but hold it against this guy to go through the system as it is and follow their rulings. HE is not starving her, the STATE is. [/quote]
That’s a nice try at giving the dickless wonder an out, but sometimes you do what you have to do, not what a panty-wasted judge that has nothing vested in this fight says to do.
You can look down your nose at me and call my statements grand and cavilier all you want. That doesn’t make Mike Shiavo any less a pussy.
I respect the law as well, but there are times when the law needs to go out on the back porch and have a smoke break.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
The only thing wrong with your grand cavelier statements are the laws that we are governed by. I believe what would have been best would be a quick painless ending. Hell we now afford our most murderous members of society that way out. I don’t make the laws, I just try to abide them. I never once said I liked how she was dying, just that that right was afforded her husband. Get over yourself. You would kill your own wife quickly, but hold it against this guy to go through the system as it is and follow their rulings. HE is not starving her, the STATE is. [/quote]
RJ,
This is exactly what I meant by you either being full of crap or a scary mofo…either you wouldn’t really take your wife out yourself (in which case you are full of crap and just posturing) or you would kill her yourself (exactly what you are accusing Michael Schiavo of) though not by the only legal method (removal of the feeding tube). So, would you shoot her, smother her, give her an o.d.? Either way, you would be a tough s.o.b. to do your wife in and be willing to go to prison by not following the legal process as Michael Schiavo has had to do.
I think she should have been humanely euthazined years ago, but that’s not an option in our country. I certainly don’t think Michael is a Pussy for not taking her out personally. But if you could do it and face the legal consequences, more power to you. I don’t really think you could, but I don’t know you. In either case, I stand by my original opinion that you are full of crap and/or a scary/bad/tough mofo.
Do you honestly think that this is the way he wants her to die? He wants her to die, YES-because that was her wish. Not for money, not to move on with his life, but becuase it is what she wanted. It is the state that has mandated this procedure, not him. Maybe we could all just go down there and kill her more humanely. I wish it were different as well, but by going throught the system this is the only option available. What do you find offensive about that? Yoo don’t agree with him or the decision, that’s cool, but not everyone who does is wrong either