[quote]lolnty wrote:
^^ Regarding that Smith Machine Rev grip… Are you talking close grip? I’ve always read them being done very wide grip… or does that hit the tricep differently?
One more thing, with these RGBP in the smith, taking our butt of the bench, does that include our lower back? As in, should we be aiming to get only our shoulder blades tucked and onto the bench, with everything else hanging off?[/quote]
That’s a trick taken off of another board that puts your chest higher to take the shoulders out of the movement. Yes only your ass should be off the bench not your lower back.[/quote]
Say what now ?
I’m eh pretty certain your lower back is right next to your Glutes … how does 1 stay on the Bench and the other off it ?
[quote]lolnty wrote:
^^ Regarding that Smith Machine Rev grip… Are you talking close grip? I’ve always read them being done very wide grip… or does that hit the tricep differently?
One more thing, with these RGBP in the smith, taking our butt of the bench, does that include our lower back? As in, should we be aiming to get only our shoulder blades tucked and onto the bench, with everything else hanging off?[/quote]
That’s a trick taken off of another board that puts your chest higher to take the shoulders out of the movement. Yes only your ass should be off the bench not your lower back.[/quote]
Say what now ?
I’m eh pretty certain your lower back is right next to your Glutes … how does 1 stay on the Bench and the other off it ?
Clearly i’m missing something o.0
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It’s by sliding down the bench so that your ass isn’t on the bench but your lower back still is. Oh I know what you’re thinking, it’s not some crazy PL arch where your ass isn’t on the bench or something lol.
Thanks very much guys ^^ Already got the Pling style bench down, still learning some of these tricep movements… kind of awkward the first few times eh?
things were a little better this week, i concentrated on breaking at the elbows and pulling the bar down keeping them fairly tucked, it felt better but its gonna take a while for me to completely get in the groove, also i ended up selecting a weight that wasa little too heavy so although my form was closer to what i want it to be, the reps ended up a bit sloppy, ill probably drop 5-10 lbs next week
Some thoughts on the CGBP. I have tried it and it used too much shoulders, basically bottom to middle feels like it’s all shoulders. Think about it. In the CGBP if your upper arm is sort of close to your body, your humerus does the EXACT motion of a front raise, at least from bottom to middle. Really think that either CGBP is completely not suited for my proportions, or I am miles away from the proper groove.
Actually someone already mentioned that he thinks if your arm is close to your torso (call it tucking if you want), it’s almost like a front raise. I have found that if I really tuck my elbows using my normal wide grip, I can use way more triceps than having my hands closer. Paradoxical?
[quote]desolator wrote:
Some thoughts on the CGBP. I have tried it and it used too much shoulders, basically bottom to middle feels like it’s all shoulders. Think about it. In the CGBP if your upper arm is sort of close to your body, your humerus does the EXACT motion of a front raise, at least from bottom to middle. Really think that either CGBP is completely not suited for my proportions, or I am miles away from the proper groove.
Actually someone already mentioned that he thinks if your arm is close to your torso (call it tucking if you want), it’s almost like a front raise. I have found that if I really tuck my elbows using my normal wide grip, I can use way more triceps than having my hands closer. Paradoxical?[/quote]
you’re onto something, although i got more triceps working today i still felt it quite a bit in my shoulders assiting the lift, i had my hands fairly far apart (just outside the smooth part of the bar) but maybe it might be better take them out even further…or im considering only takinf the bar half the way down, makes me look like a douch who is ego lifting but if it hits my tris harder i might try it.
Given that I can reaaaaally feel my triceps firing by tucking with a wide grip, something tells me that the Reverse Grip Smith Bench Press exercice the guys are suggesting will be awesome for the triceps. Unfortunately I don’t have access to a smith machine right now to try it.
Some advice for you would be to do phonebook/board presses for 2 reasons, actually measuring exactly how down you go each rep and for making you not look like an egoistical douche
[quote]desolator wrote:
Given that I can reaaaaally feel my triceps firing by tucking with a wide grip, something tells me that the Reverse Grip Smith Bench Press exercice the guys are suggesting will be awesome for the triceps. Unfortunately I don’t have access to a smith machine right now to try it.
Some advice for you would be to do phonebook/board presses for 2 reasons, actually measuring exactly how down you go each rep and for making you not look like an egoistical douche :P[/quote]
You don’t have to use a smith machine for reverse grip bench presses. I actually prefer doing them with a barbell. Just make sure to have a competent spotter nearby to give you a lift-off and keep you from killing yourself if the bar gets out of the groove haha.
To get a better idea of how you should do them with a barbell, check out maraudermeat’s youtube videos.
[quote]desolator wrote:
Some thoughts on the CGBP. I have tried it and it used too much shoulders, basically bottom to middle feels like it’s all shoulders. Think about it. In the CGBP if your upper arm is sort of close to your body, your humerus does the EXACT motion of a front raise, at least from bottom to middle. Really think that either CGBP is completely not suited for my proportions, or I am miles away from the proper groove.
Actually someone already mentioned that he thinks if your arm is close to your torso (call it tucking if you want), it’s almost like a front raise. I have found that if I really tuck my elbows using my normal wide grip, I can use way more triceps than having my hands closer. Paradoxical?[/quote]
you’re onto something, although i got more triceps working today i still felt it quite a bit in my shoulders assiting the lift, i had my hands fairly far apart (just outside the smooth part of the bar) but maybe it might be better take them out even further…or im considering only takinf the bar half the way down, makes me look like a douch who is ego lifting but if it hits my tris harder i might try it.
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my advice was to not tuck elbows during a close grip bench press because the movement would then turn into a front raise. your not gonna tear a pec cgbp and their is no way you can fully flare your elbows out unless your wrists are flexible. this was my opinion and CC and DoubleDuce felt otherwise. Try both and see which suits you. but if you are benching any wider than shoulder width tucking must take place. and the farther out you go the more exaggerated the tuck must be. not trying to start another argument. this is just my opinion. and just like assholes every body has one.
