I know that shorter people have an advantage in lifting because they have a shorter lever doing the same work. But my question is, is there some kind of formula to figure out how much of an advantage shorter people have over taller lifters? For example ever inch short equals about 20 pounds more on squats. Something similar to that.
id love to here the answer to this, iv always wondered the same thing.
That statement is not necesserily true. Top bench presser in the world Ryyan Kennelly 1050 bench is 6’2", Gene Rylachek 1010 Bench Press is 6’1", Andy Bolton 1003 pound deadlift, and 1213 pound squat is about 6’1" as well. Not short and the strongest guys in the world.
If you went through and tried to figure out the biomechanical equations as to leverage differences you’d be frustrated, quit 50 times, and then realize that it doesn’t matter and you could have spent all those hours training, or eating, or having fun.
Do NOT try it, you’ll go insane haha.
well tall guys have an advantage with the deadlift from what i hear, and from my own experience its by far the easiest of the big 3 for me.
as for the rest, thats pretty damn impressive. i can just imagine how hard they had to work for that, and i think they really deserve the credit.
i dont know for sure but it seems if your muscle is an inch longer you have extra total muscular volume to help you move the weight which might cancel out some of the leverage issues
[quote]rander wrote:
i dont know for sure but it seems if your muscle is an inch longer you have extra total muscular volume to help you move the weight which might cancel out some of the leverage issues[/quote]
Exactly why the world record holders in the big 3 are all 6’+ they have a bigger frame to pack more weight and muscle on to…
When talking about leverages the difference is probably more and more in favor of the shorter lifter as you move down in weight classes as the shorter lifter can carry more mass while still making weight in that class. He has more lbs per inch.
Of course some top 220lb lifters are 6’ + so maybe I am just talking out of my ass.
What really matters is not making excuses why others are better than you for whatever reason and just doing the best you can with what God gave you.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
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[quote]Kalle wrote:
rander wrote:
i dont know for sure but it seems if your muscle is an inch longer you have extra total muscular volume to help you move the weight which might cancel out some of the leverage issues
Exactly why the world record holders in the big 3 are all 6’+ they have a bigger frame to pack more weight and muscle on to…
When talking about leverages the difference is probably more and more in favor of the shorter lifter as you move down in weight classes as the shorter lifter can carry more mass while still making weight in that class. He has more lbs per inch.
Of course some top 220lb lifters are 6’ + so maybe I am just talking out of my ass.
What really matters is not making excuses why others are better than you for whatever reason and just doing the best you can with what God gave you. [/quote]
Normally shorter people are stronger at the same weight and BF % it seems to me. I think taller lifters have a potential to be stronger because they have a bigger frame. For example bench press a shorter guy is pressing the bar alot less distance than a taller guy.
I think that leverage would play the biggest difference in curling as that is one of the most obvious levers and there are less factors like bodyweight to play a role. Thpuhg i am taller than most of my friends I can generally out curl them 1.5 to 1 even though I have long arms. Ohh and on the last part I dont believe in god entirely(all men are created equal my ass)
you sound like the weak kids in high school who say their weak because their tall. im 5.11 and I’ll kick a weak 6.2 guys ass!..wait…what?
I think it has to do more with the length of your limbs in relation to your body. For example, someone at 6’2 could have the same wingspan as someone who is 5’10. Also, for the squat I think it has to do with the femur length compared to the tibia (with shorter femur length easier it is to get down low). Obviously long arms help the deadlift so if you were short and had long arms you would probably have more potentional to lift more weight.
[quote]codypt wrote:
Kalle wrote:
rander wrote:
i dont know for sure but it seems if your muscle is an inch longer you have extra total muscular volume to help you move the weight which might cancel out some of the leverage issues
Exactly why the world record holders in the big 3 are all 6’+ they have a bigger frame to pack more weight and muscle on to…
When talking about leverages the difference is probably more and more in favor of the shorter lifter as you move down in weight classes as the shorter lifter can carry more mass while still making weight in that class. He has more lbs per inch.
Of course some top 220lb lifters are 6’ + so maybe I am just talking out of my ass.
What really matters is not making excuses why others are better than you for whatever reason and just doing the best you can with what God gave you.
Normally shorter people are stronger at the same weight and BF % it seems to me. I think taller lifters have a potential to be stronger because they have a bigger frame. For example bench press a shorter guy is pressing the bar alot less distance than a taller guy.
I think that leverage would play the biggest difference in curling as that is one of the most obvious levers and there are less factors like bodyweight to play a role. Thpuhg i am taller than most of my friends I can generally out curl them 1.5 to 1 even though I have long arms. Ohh and on the last part I dont believe in god entirely(all men are created equal my ass) [/quote]
its more leverages than height, and of course if someone is 5’6 200 at 12% bf he will have a lot more muscle than someone who is 6’5 200 at 12% bf I don’t know why this has to be explained…
I agree, I was just saying people need to spend more time just doing what they can than worrying about what they can’t control.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
That statement is not necesserily true. Top bench presser in the world Ryyan Kennelly 1050 bench is 6’2", Gene Rylachek 1010 Bench Press is 6’1", Andy Bolton 1003 pound deadlift, and 1213 pound squat is about 6’1" as well. Not short and the strongest guys in the world.[/quote]
I would say they are anomalies and tend to have shorter legs and arms but longer torso. Im about 6’8 and other tall people I know struggle in the bench and squat, but do about normal with deadlift. Though then again I do know some tall people (6’5) who can atg squat better then some of my 5’8 friends so who knows.
Anyways I believe most of the best strongman are tall, so yeah I really don’t try to use height as an excuse ever. The more you make excuses for yourself the more your holding yourself back.
Another interesting thing is that it seems that the top deadlifters pull conventional, not sumo. Look at Andy Bolton’s 1000+ lber. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
Im not saying I use height as an excuse, its to prove a point, because alot of my shorter friends say tall people have an advantage is every lifts because they have more muscle.
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
Another interesting thing is that it seems that the top deadlifters pull conventional, not sumo. Look at Andy Bolton’s 1000+ lber. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn’t it?[/quote]
I find this interesting as well. Does anyone know the biggest sumo pull? Has any pulled 900+ Sumo?
This short vs long lever is a lot more complicated than people think…
1- Usually the shorter guys are stronger than the taller guys with the same weight, just because they have more muscle mass working to lift a weight for a smaller ROM.
2-You should consider not only the resistance lever arm(limb lenght) but force lever arm (not sure this is exact term in english)… example: a guy could have a long umerus but his pecs have a insertion point proportinally far from the joint, he wuold have a mechanical advantage for the bench in spite of limb lenght.
3-As said before the taller guys have more potential to became big… a 170kg guy usually have a bigger bench than the 100kg guy. And a tall guy doesnt have to have proportionally (to his size)long limbs.
4-A guy could have bad weightlifting levers, but good fiber type, hormonal profile, works hard, that compensates this.
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I am still stuck on the picture of the 10 tons of weed