I wouldn’t work out with her, but I’d hit it.
jjfigure for someone that is going to compete in a show yes, maybe. Maybe even a modified version, for an average training female client. Probably and most likely not.
In Health,
Silas C.
Personally I don’t think her physique holds enough muscle mass. And don’t give me any comments about how the photo is a sad argument point of reference.
She looks depleted and soft, without the high quality muscle protein turnover. She looks thin - yes, but thin with out muscle is not ideal.
I remember when Milos was talking to about getting Brant ready for her show and I don’t think cardio was prescribed 6x a week!
Other then the ability to generate controversy and bring life back to the forum (I think I saw Mufusa!) this would not follow the traditional “elitist” style of approach. (Erika would be more fitting)
However what so many of us may not remeber that may not meet the target market - there seems to be a shift towards the “Oxygen” formula…I think JB was even mentioned in it this months edition…
And granted as Cass mentioned she had excellent writing techniques and research skills this dose not amend the fact that the guidance was towards cardio.
Times are a changen.
Good thread. My thoughts:
Although no where near as much fun as sitting on internet boards and whining - or patting yourself on the back for being so darned superior and smart - how bout those with opposing ideas about training write their own articles? We’re open to submissions, as always. Step up to the plate instead of just standing in the dugout throwing things at the batter. That’s not meant to be mean spirited either; often the best articles come from a reaction to someone else’s work/opinion.
Oh, and I didn’t personally agree with everything in the article either (and I was the editor of that one although TC accepted it) but T-mag would be mighty boring if everyone agreed on everything and no new views were ever added and considered.
And the author didn’t send those pictures of herself. We went and snatched them from her site because 1) we know all the text gets dull and we try to add pics to break it up when we can and 2) we thought she was cute.
Finally, Patricia and JJfigure, you two were part of a two-article roundtable discussion published in T-mag:
And we’ve done a feature article and interview with Patricia:
We gave you the opportunity to express your opinions and you did it, even though we knew some would disagree with what you had to say or not like your photos.
With this new article, we gave another woman a chance to give HER opinions. You don’t agree with her. This is okay. Although we value your opinions enough to publish them, this does not mean we have to now only publish articles that YOU would agree with. You two, and a couple of others on this thread, have given your opinions in published T-mag articles. Now someone else is giving her opinion. Don’t take it personally. It’ll be okay if everyone doesn’t agree with you. I have it on good authority that the world will continue to revolve.
Opinions are welcomed and encouraged, but try to retract the claws.
Patricia, and E~:
Your statements were based on your ideal build and type of training, now let me give you a typical guys opinion.
A little bit of muscle on a girl is cool, but not if it leaves her a candidate for working at “Little Raisins” a la a recent South Park episode.
Let me put it like this, I don’t like women who, if naked from the waste up I would mistake for a miniature Men’s health model. Sure I think gal’s like that are cool for lifting like that and all, but I’d never look twice at her.
Now if a woman chooses to train for strength and other purposes that’s fine with me, I’m not going to flip out and say she’s wrong just because she chooses to sculpt herself a miniature man’s body, that’s her choice.
Having said that I have a good gal friend who squats, deadlifts and does all kinds of free weight training on a regular basis along with sprints and some cardio, but she never does any bench, flies, or chest training.
When I asked her about this she explained that dropping body fat would of course reduce breast size considerably but that training these muscle groups would further reduce them which is something she wanted to avoid.
This female looks like a VS model, only with a little defenition to her shoulders and arms, those cute little muscles througout her back and some of the sexiest best deffined legs I’ve ever seen.
And you know what? She’s happy with her lifestyle and the way she trains and the results it has gottern her! And could give a fuck about this article or about a handful of INTERNET DIVAS claiming their way is the only right way.
I read on her site that she went from 150 pounds and out of shape to competing it fitness and Galaxy competitions in just two years. She did this through weight training, cardio and a change in eating. And some of you people dare to attack her because you don’t like the specifics of the program she wrote in this one article? You should be ashamed, especially those attacking her looks.
I honestly think some of the females on this forum just get pissed off when another woman gets a little attention. You preach about getting into shape with weight training, this woman did it, and then you attack her. Shame on you.
My thoughts on this article are pretty simple and straight forward. The author is an attractive, thin, relatively shapely woman of which the average man is attracted to. If the program she outlined is what she used, than I think she could have acheived these results with a lot less time and effort, but perhaps she simply enjoys being in the gym and training for it’s own sake as many of us do.
I think many of the women on this forum desire a more athletic, tight, muscular look and function from their training, and here in lies the core of their strong opposition to this article. Basically, many of the women here are simply more advanced than the training prescribed in this article.
No harm done, the article had some informative content and could be of value to a woman who, as someone else mentioned, wants to look like a VS model with a bit of definition.
For anyone who may care, I happen to be in the camp of men who appreciate the physiques of some of the more advanced women here. I’ve never been attracted to VS model types and prefer more athletic women with muscles that have been used for work and sport more than simply for display.
Diva? - if you go back to the top of this thread it said what do you think. If giving an opinion that is different makes me a diva that’s cool.
Here is the thing that I guess worries me… the point is she is talking about training delts:
“she’s got to hit those delts and hit 'em hard”
But if you go back to her top photo her delts are not developed. Fine - that is her body type ect.
But my guess is that the reason for the lack of development if she is hitting them hard would
- be from overtraining, this is quite serious and common in women (6x)
- a lack of caloric intake
- both 1 & 2
hence her “softer” look. Not out of my deep desire to be a bitch.
I don’t care if you call me a Diva, but to me the picture is not ideal nor is it the physique she speaks of.
Yes she is thin and looks good- but people can you not see that there is no muscle mass? Possibly could this be due to 6x a week of cardio on top of what she is also doing? Get real.
The fact that she has taken the steps to get to where she is in her physique is great - and her ability to write and be published is great too.
However the top of this thread the question was 6x- what do you think?
I answered the question
so I am a diva for this?
OK fine but that was not my intention to come across as a bitch.
But just because a few people who have a great deal of respect around here said they love it it is great- I don’t think it is my cup of tea.
I have not once claimed “my way is the only way”. I think I’ve taken an intelligent approach to refuting this article.
Again, I’m not advocating all women should lift heavy and become big, muscular chicks. I personally did the cardio 6xweek plus lifted 3-4 times/week, but since I was clueless when it came to nutrition and was obviously overtraining, I made very little progress. This was very frustrating for me, considering at the time my only goal was to become less bottom-heavy; I didn’t want to be muscular, just better shaped, which is what most women want.
After years of trial and error and research, I’ve learned the benefits of sound nutritional and training practices. Daily cardio and twice/day training sessions is neither practical nor sound training practices. And frankly, the only way I was really able to change from a bottom heavy to a balanced physique was by cleaning up my diet.
And Chris, this has definitely fired me up enough to look at putting together an article.
Against my own better judgement I have decided to reply to this inane discussion one last time… 
First and foremost, AS I STATED, this article was not written for everyone. It even had a disclaimer upon submission (which was edited out) that it was especially not for women trying to look like men. This article is for a more general female audience, which due to the volume of personal emails I have already received, makes up a large percentage of T-Mag readers, albeit not Forum users. If you feel it is more applicable in a publication of M&F or Oxygen, that’s fine with me. they pay more
It seems the only real issue here is the question of how much cardio I included. Everything I prescribe is how I train twelve weeks out of a Figure show (and how many of my competitor friends train successfully). It is one cycle out of many throughout the year. Not how I train ALL YEAR LONG. Give me a break. As I stated in my original post, it has worked for me, it has worked for others. So it’s not for you… wonderful. Move on.
And what’s with the personal attacks on my physique?! For every one of you that has bashed me, there have been twenty others who have written me in support, have liked the article and have had nothing but good things to say about my writing, my physique, etc. Thank you! Traffic to my website has increased exponentially due to this whole sordid mess! And frankly, you only make a mockery of yourself when you put others down anyhow… not me.
The main purpose of the article was merely to present the idea that perhaps – just perhaps – women and men should train differently based on physiology. Not to pontificate whether or not Kristin Reisinger knows what she’s talking about. I don’t require validation on that. My credentials speak for themselves… and before you start bashing me again, just because I’m not jacked up carrying 30lbs more muscle, doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about. I have no desire to look like that… and there is a huge population of women out there reading this very site that feels the same as me. Those are the same girls that most male T-Mag readers want to bang, “dry hump,” whatever. And they are the same type of girls I help to achieve those goals.
Lastly, to those of you who have professed you could write a better article – hop to it. If you are such a self-professed expert, guru or whatever you choose to call yourself… Why not channel your energies into something more positive like helping others and educating instead of hiding behind a computer and making disparaging comments to others? Food for thought…
If I have succeeded in getting one small mini-neuron to fire, then I have succeeded as a writer.
Best,
Kristin Reisinger
E~:
The diva comment was meant more for comedy and not really attacking you, however you did dispute the comment well.
HOWEVER, I never called you or anyone that, that, that… other word! Y’know, that word.
/whispering/ the “b” word? Didn’t say that and didn’t meant to allude to it. me sorry.
jffigure:
You have debated this intelligently as have Thunder and others, however, there are others who instead of debating really have come off more like that “not so attractive” girl in high school when the hotties showed up type of mentallity.
Wow, this thread has really exploded. Very interesting.
P-dog, I don’t think you meant to address me. Maybe you meant “Anderson”?
Personally, I agree with some of the criticisms and some of the defense of the article. When I read the article, I was glad to see something directed toward women. And I liked the fact that Kristin presented some research, though a lot of the research needs more investigation to see if it will prove to be useful. I can also see the point that some women may need to do more cardio than I do. (Actually, I probably need to do more, too. More than, um, zero.)
But I didn’t think that the case for that much cardio was compelling enough. T-mag has great articles; when I read them, I try to start with an open mind toward the recommendations. But the article still has to convince me. I’m not going to believe blindly everything I read. I appreciate what Kristin was trying to do in the article, but it didn’t convince me to try that much cardio, even though I am trying to shed some fat right now.
I’m just weighing in to say:
You use the following method to quote in white:
[ quote ] your quote [ /quote ] Take out the spaces between brackets to get the quote to look right.
Okay?
Dan “Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion” McVicker
Why does the myth that women (and men) need cardiovascular training to attain an excellent bodyfat %? There are well more that 10,000 female track athelets on the planet that avoid cardio like the plague and yet they are very health (low resting heart rate, excellent cholesterol ratios and levels, etc.), have an excellent bodyfat %, and still look feminine. While doing cardio training is certainly one way of getting an excellent bodyfat %, it is absolutely unnecessary to achieve that goal whether you are a man or a woman.
The trend I notice on this board a lot of people FREAK OUT if anyone has the audacity to recommend cardio six days/week to get lean. WTF? I personally had to do cardio HIIT-style 6-10 times per week to get down to low single digit bf % and I’m male. What the hell is wrong with you people? If you’re blessed enough to get ripped and not do cardio that often, then I hate you. But a lot of us to get really lean would need to do this much cardio and I’m a freaking ectomorph. I’ve been bulking the last year so my goals have changed; but I can already hear the question if I ever put my pics up from last year: why the hell are you cutting Randy when you weigh less than 200 lbs and are over 6’ tall? Because I fucking wanted to and because I looked awesome (IMO) when I completed my transformation. So fuck everyone who has a conniption when someone prescribes 6 + sessions of cardio when getting really lean. And yes my strength went up during this phase, so I couldn’t have lost that much muscle.
Wow-
This is truly a classic case of “playa-hatin.” However, this is a special class of bearded mullosk hating, AKA “caty women”. I believe that many of the women on this mag are hating the author due to us thinking that she may be hotter than they are.
Let me set things straight:
Patricia- I would love to fuck you…KO could watch.
E- I would to fuck you as well.
Cass- I would really love to fuck you.
CT’s woman- Same as above.
Author of this recent article- Would love to fuck her, preferably bottom shelf. I don’t really know why, I just have a hankerin for it after looking at her picture.
PS- This is why the forum sucks so much lately. To many know it all’s and not enough discussion or humor. I hoped you enjoyed my post. To all the men with brass in their scrotum…peace, and I’m out.
Unfortunately, no where in this article was there mention this was a pre-contest training approach. I pretty much figured that out (and hoped the author didn’t do this year round), but other women aren’t familiar with the extremes some go to while preparing for contest, and might assume they have to do that amount of training year round.
If there was a disclaimer, it shouldn’t have been edited out.
The disclaimer only said, “Readers Note: This article does not apply to the faction of T-Vixens partaking in extracurricular activities.”
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It even had a disclaimer upon submission (which was edited out) that it was especially not for women trying to look like men. [/quote]
Oh boy …
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I personally had to do cardio HIIT-style 6-10 times per week to get down to low single digit bf % and I’m male. What the hell is wrong with you people?[/quote]
Please excuse how rude this is going to sound, but I can tell you what’s wrong with you. You have no idea how to diet if you had to do 6-10 HIIT sessions per week, and I can almost guarantee you that few, if any intelligent/experienced lifters will disagree with me.
So, your post has been negated. LOL