SWR's Fat-Loss Log (22 Weeks)

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau just gave me some good advice.

I was questioning my goals, and how they fit together, and whether I’m wasting my time by not lifting heavy, when my primary, long-term goal is Powerlifting.

My question:
“I have a short-term goal of getting my bodyfat into, or as close as I can get to single digits, followed by about 7 months or more of building maximum muscle without putting too much more fat on, then finally continue on with my long-term goal of being a competitive Powerlifter in the 181lb weight class (I’m only 5’5”).

My ultimate goal is to be as highly competitive as possible as a natural Powerlifter, BUT a very close secondary goal is to look very muscular at 181lbs, with no more than around 12% bodyfat.

Do you think it would be a waste of time (and muscle) to build up “non-functional” muscle (non-functional with regards to Powerlifting) before going into an all-out Powerlifting routine?

Would a better (more efficient) path to my goals be to get lean, then build muscle while training for Powerlifting, or maybe a hybrid of Powerlifting and Bodybuilding training?

The one thing on my side is time. I’ve been putting my Powerlifting goals aside to lose this fat, and as long as I don’t lose sight of my Powerlifting goals, I’m willing to continue to put them on hold to build a significant amount of muscle first. To be honest though, I’m already starting to miss training for Powerlifting."

CT’s answer:
"Since powerlifting is you no.1 goal I would stick to powerlifting training, at least on the competitive lift, staying in the 1-3 and 4-6 rep ranges. BUT I would include more assistance work. Remember that when you are dieting down lifting heavy is a GOOD THING! Nothing will help preserve muscle mass as much as maintaining or even gaining strength.

I would even include some supramaximal lifts on a partial range of motion. For example:

DAY 1 Squat emphasis
STRENGTH WORK
A. Back squat
work up to your 6RM in 2-3 work sets
work up to your 3RM in 2-3 more work sets

B. Half squat with the bar starting on the safety pins (from the half squat position)
work up to a 4-6RM in 3-4 sets

“BODYBUILDING” WORK
C1. Leg press
8 to 10 reps

no rest

C2. Leg extension (or bulgarian squat)
10 to 12 reps

perform superset 3-4 times

DAY 2 Bench press 1
STRENGTH WORK
A. Bench press
work up to your 6RM in 2-3 work sets
work up to your 3RM in 2-3 more work sets

B. Partial bench press (from just above weak point) bar starting on pins in power rack
work up to a 4-6RM in 3-4 sets

“BODYBUILDING” WORK
C1. Military press
8-10 reps

C2. DB lateral raise
10-12 reps

perform superset 2-3 times

D1. Decline DB press
8-10 reps

D2. Cable cross-over
10-12 reps

perform superset 2-3 times

DAY 3 Deadlift emphasis
STRENGTH WORK
A. deadlift
5 x 2-3 reps

B. Partial deadlift (bar starting from knees)
3 x 4-6

“BODYBUILDING” WORK
C1. Chest supported DB rowing elbows out
8-10 reps

C2. Bent over lateral raise
10-12 reps

perform superset 2-3 times

D1. Lat pulldown or pull-ups
8-10 reps

D2. Straight-arms pulldown
10-12 reps

perform superset 2-3 times

E1. Back extension
8-10 reps

E2. Leg curl
10-12 reps

perform superset 2-3 times

DAY 4 Bench press 2
STRENGTH WORK
A. Close-grip bench press
work up to your 6RM in 2-3 work sets
work up to your 3RM in 2-3 more work sets

B. Partial close-grip bench press (starting from pins just above weak point)
work up to 4-6RM in 3-4 sets

“BODYBUILDING” WORK

C1. Decline nosebreaker
8-10 reps

C2. Triceps cable pushdown
10-12 reps

perform superset 3-4 times

D1. Barbell curl
8-10 reps

D2. Incline DB curl
10-12 reps

perform superset 3-4 times "

I think he made a good point, and this would allow me to work on the Big 3 while I lose fat, and reach my secondary bodybuilding goals.

Now I’ll just have to figure out how to periodize it all. I also sent an email to get a price quote for CT. I figure it would probably be a bit pricey, and since I’m saving up for a down payment for a house, I might not afford him yet, but I’d still like to see what he offers for email-personalized programs. I think it would help me a lot for right now, and for making my own programs in the future.

There’s just still too much confusion in my head.[/quote]

Looks like some great advise to me as well! I love CT’s training. You might be surprise and be able to afford him.

How are you doing diet wise? This V-diet is hard for the first week, eh. I am hoping it gets easier next week.

Heavy training will start mid-December for Nationals…I will be done with it by then.

Looking good SWR…Keep up the hard work.

SWR,
Have you looked into getting CW’s book? I’m reading it right now and he says some of the same stuff as CT as well as offering some ways of setting up a program for your goals.

I know you have some of CT’s books but it could be a cheaper alternative if you can’t afford CT’s services.

Something to think about.

By the way, I liked the videos you added even if they made me feel weak.

Keep working hard.

[quote]firebug9 wrote:

How are you doing diet wise? This V-diet is hard for the first week, eh. I am hoping it gets easier next week.

Heavy training will start mid-December for Nationals…I will be done with it by then.

Looking good SWR…Keep up the hard work.
[/quote]

Funny you asked about the diet. It’s been going great, except for today. I just now got back from work after a 2.5 hour drive each way to Kingston, NY. I brought 3 meals with me, plus the meal I ate before leaving, but it was almost 4 hours since my last meal when I started driving home, and I still had about 2 hours left in the drive.

I ended up going to a thru-way rest stop, and they had a power outage. All the power was out except for the fast food place, which was powered by a generator. I got a bacon, fried chicken sandwich and water.

I couldn’t even get some beef jerkey and nuts like I usually get when I’m in trouble.

CT really made sence with his advice, and I want to start trying the routine he laid out (or something simmilar if I get to figure out how to customize it).

The V-diet should definitely get easier for you. The 29th day is the best though. :wink:

I’ll be training heavy right along with you in mid-December (in spirit anyway).

[quote]Arioch wrote:
SWR,
Have you looked into getting CW’s book? I’m reading it right now and he says some of the same stuff as CT as well as offering some ways of setting up a program for your goals.

I know you have some of CT’s books but it could be a cheaper alternative if you can’t afford CT’s services.

Something to think about.

By the way, I liked the videos you added even if they made me feel weak.

Keep working hard.[/quote]

What?!Do you mean the book that he’s been talking about releasing for months now?

I’ve been wanting to get it, but I never knew it was released yet.

I’m going to start looking for it now.

Okay, first day of new routine.

I’m still continuing my fat-loss goal, so I’m keeping my calories and cardio the same as outlined in the ebook I was following.

I will adjust my routine as I see fit for now, just incase I start doing too much too soon.

Today’s Workout:

A) DEADLIFTS
315lbs (3) 365 (3, 3, 3, 3)

B) Partial Deads (at knees)
365lbs (3, 4, 3)

C1) Chest supported T-Bar rows
145lbs (10, 10, 8)
no rest
C2) Bent over DB lateral raises
20lbs(ea) (10, 10, 9)

D) Pull-Ups
BW (7,6)

E1) Back Extensions
25lbs (12) 35lbs (10, 8)

E2) Leg Curls
110lbs (10, 10, 10)

Deads felt great! I tried both sumo and regular stances again, and went with sumos (again).

Last time I did that, I noticed that I can get a lot more weight, but I started to get a strain in the front of my hip (Eric Cressey told me it was from not being used to sumo’s).

Do you feel more comfortable with sumo or regular?

[quote]Florida Titan wrote:
Do you feel more comfortable with sumo or regular?[/quote]

Right now (as of yesterday) I feel a lot better with sumo.

Well, I always felt better with them, but I started to get a slight pull in a muscle in the front of my hip. I stopped for a while and went to regular deads, and the pain went away.

I feel like I can grip the bar a lot better (I didn’t have any problem with my grip this time, and I usually do have problems even with lighter weight with a wider grip).

I can’t wait to max out with deads to see how much extra weight I’m getting with the sumo style.

So far, I’m not getting any more pain in my hip so that’s good. I think my stance was too wide the last time I tried them. This time my shins are just about right in front of, or a little inside of the finger grooves on the bar.

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Florida Titan wrote:
Do you feel more comfortable with sumo or regular?

Right now (as of yesterday) I feel a lot better with sumo.

Well, I always felt better with them, but I started to get a slight pull in a muscle in the front of my hip. I stopped for a while and went to regular deads, and the pain went away.

I feel like I can grip the bar a lot better (I didn’t have any problem with my grip this time, and I usually do have problems even with lighter weight with a wider grip).

I can’t wait to max out with deads to see how much extra weight I’m getting with the sumo style.

So far, I’m not getting any more pain in my hip so that’s good. I think my stance was too wide the last time I tried them. This time my shins are just about right in front of, or a little inside of the finger grooves on the bar.[/quote]

Have you tried using the foam roller? My trainer was having a hard time deadlifting because of his hip. He started using the foam roller and it helped get rid of the pain. He is now able to use a wider stance.

[quote]cvb wrote:

Have you tried using the foam roller? My trainer was having a hard time deadlifting because of his hip. He started using the foam roller and it helped get rid of the pain. He is now able to use a wider stance. [/quote]

No I haven’t. I keep seeing them talked about in articles, and hear of how great they are at such a low cost, but I never tried or bought one.

I really should. I’ll buy one, and if I start to get that pain again in my hip I’ll try it out.

Maybe once I actually have it, I’ll also try widening my stance and see where I really feel the best for my deads.

Thanks!

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
cvb wrote:

Have you tried using the foam roller? My trainer was having a hard time deadlifting because of his hip. He started using the foam roller and it helped get rid of the pain. He is now able to use a wider stance.

No I haven’t. I keep seeing them talked about in articles, and hear of how great they are at such a low cost, but I never tried or bought one.

I really should. I’ll buy one, and if I start to get that pain again in my hip I’ll try it out.

Maybe once I actually have it, I’ll also try widening my stance and see where I really feel the best for my deads.

Thanks![/quote]

Check the foam roller article and look at the IT Band example. Eric Cressey has me using the foam roller before my workouts and I noticed a big difference when performing squats and deadlifts.

Finally bought another tape measure. I got one of those myotape things, and a bodyfat pincher.

I didn’t do the pinches yet, but my waist measured right at 36 inches this morning.

I think that’s 1" less than when I got off the Velocity diet, and 7" less than when I weighed 195.

I still have a lot of fat I can grab onto though, so the work’s not done yet. :frowning:

I was also thinking about going on the Velocity diet again to speed up the rest of the fat loss, but I don’t know if I’ll do that again or not.

Today’s workout:

A) Close grip bench, work up to 6RM, then 3RM
135 (6) 185 (6) 245 (4) 275 (2)

B) Board Press (a friend at the gym had boards so I used them instead of the pins on the power rack)
245 (6) 275 (6) 295 (4) 325 (3)

C1) Skull Crushers
95 (10, 10, 8)
no rest
C2) Tricep Push downs
80 (10, 8, 5)

D1) Barbell Curl
85 (10, 6, 6)
no rest
D2) DB Curl
25 (8) 20 (6, 6)

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Finally bought another tape measure. I got one of those myotape things, and a bodyfat pincher.

I didn’t do the pinches yet, but my waist measured right at 36 inches this morning.

I think that’s 1" less than when I got off the Velocity diet, and 7" less than when I weighed 195.

I still have a lot of fat I can grab onto though, so the work’s not done yet. :frowning:

I was also thinking about going on the Velocity diet again to speed up the rest of the fat loss, but I don’t know if I’ll do that again or not.[/quote]

May not be done, but you are alot closer to your goals! Keep up the good work.

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Florida Titan wrote:
Do you feel more comfortable with sumo or regular?

Right now (as of yesterday) I feel a lot better with sumo.

Well, I always felt better with them, but I started to get a slight pull in a muscle in the front of my hip. I stopped for a while and went to regular deads, and the pain went away.

I feel like I can grip the bar a lot better (I didn’t have any problem with my grip this time, and I usually do have problems even with lighter weight with a wider grip).

I can’t wait to max out with deads to see how much extra weight I’m getting with the sumo style.

So far, I’m not getting any more pain in my hip so that’s good. I think my stance was too wide the last time I tried them. This time my shins are just about right in front of, or a little inside of the finger grooves on the bar.[/quote]

I think people make the mistake of training only one form of it. There are benefits to doing both. When I originally injured my knee I switched to sumo and have been doing it since then (about 6 months). I just recently started Waterbury’s TBT and it has got me doing regular deads again and the pain in my knee is completely gone and I’ve gotten much stronger with the movement.

I need a foam roller too…

I’ve got the money now that I’m doing the V-Diet. It’s amazing how much money you save when you don’t spend cash on random food at the mall and on the road.

[quote]Florida Titan wrote:

I think people make the mistake of training only one form of it. There are benefits to doing both. When I originally injured my knee I switched to sumo and have been doing it since then (about 6 months). I just recently started Waterbury’s TBT and it has got me doing regular deads again and the pain in my knee is completely gone and I’ve gotten much stronger with the movement.

I need a foam roller too…

I’ve got the money now that I’m doing the V-Diet. It’s amazing how much money you save when you don’t spend cash on random food at the mall and on the road.

[/quote]

You’re right, but once I get comfortable in the way I’m going to deadlift in competition, I don’t want to change it up too much so I can maximize my strength with as much leverage as I can get.

I will try to get a good amount of assistance work to keep myself balanced, and to help prevent injury though. That’s something I haven’t done before.

I know what you mean about having extra money on the V-diet. Many people get sticker shock when they see how much the initial cost is, but what most people don’t realise is how much they spend on grocerys AND eating out at restaurants, or fast food places (like you said). Also, I had a lot of extra time because I wasn’t preparing food nearly as often.

just wanna say you’re doing an excellent job with all of this, and major props for keeping such a solid log of it all.

Also, i feel compelled to tell you that because my goals are so similar to yours, that i have completely stolen the routine CT gave you. I had been lifting westside over the course of the last 8 months, with breaks for more “bodybuilding” type programs, and like how this kind of brought it all together for me. If youre ever interested in how im doing with the workouts, although the weight will be a bit lower for me, you can see my workouts over on the Brotherhood thread.

nice work on the board presses btw.

–WS4

[quote]WS4adumbastard wrote:
just wanna say you’re doing an excellent job with all of this, and major props for keeping such a solid log of it all.

Also, i feel compelled to tell you that because my goals are so similar to yours, that i have completely stolen the routine CT gave you. I had been lifting westside over the course of the last 8 months, with breaks for more “bodybuilding” type programs, and like how this kind of brought it all together for me. If youre ever interested in how im doing with the workouts, although the weight will be a bit lower for me, you can see my workouts over on the Brotherhood thread.

nice work on the board presses btw.

–WS4[/quote]

That’s awesome. It’s good to know anyone who’s doing the same routine. I was really surprised that CT made up a whole sample routine in his answer to my question.

I’ve been reading the brotherhood thread every once in a while. I’ve been wanting to get my butt over there, but it’s gotten so huge, I wouldn’t know where to start.

Today’s workout:

A) Squats work to 6RM in 3 sets, then work to 3RM in 3 more
275 (6), 315 (6), 355 (6), 395 (3), 415 (1) overshot with the weight

(skipped half squats on pins. need to find another exercise for low-end squat work because that is a weak point. I also didn’t want to do too much too soon so I decreased the overall volume a bit this week)

B1) Leg press
580 (10, 10, 8)

B2) Leg Extension
70 (10, 10, 10)

Videos of the squats will follow as soon as I finish uploading them to my “My T-Nation”.

Okay, here are the videos again. I swear it feels like I’m going parallel to the floor, but when I watch the videos, I can tell my hips aren’t getting in line with my knees.

Here are the first few. I’m still waiting for the others to get into my profile:

275 for 6 reps
[video]250[/video]

315 for 6 reps
[video]251[/video]

355 for 6 reps
[video]252[/video]

2 more still to come.

Okay, I don’t know what happened to my 395 for 3 reps video. Maybe it’s still being converted, or maybe I forgot to upload it.

Anyway, here’s my 415 for 1 rep. I over estimated what I could do. I was supposed to be working up to my 3RM, but after 1 rep of 415, I didn’t think I could get 1 more.

[video]253[/video]