switching up for the sake of it is not the right approach. that said, if switching it up is what will keep you interested and motivated, then do it. some people need to change just to keep their minds engaged, and thereby stay consistent with their training.
i’ve done DC, traditional splits and full body (i don’t like the term tbt because it seems to reference CW’s program specifically).
i thinkg dc has more in common with the “traditional bb split”. typically it’s a 2 way split. dante is clear that frequency > volume and frequency is one of the major advantages of full body training. upper/lower is not “tbt” according to the defintion, but the training approach of dc, upper/lower and full body share more with each other than they do, say, a 4-5 bodypart split.
this is my opinion, but “bodybuilding splits” are particularly effective when the trainee is assisted. i think something like ken liestnar’s program in his sensible training article or a full-body or upper/lower split are best for natural trainees.
the “old guard” on this site will not allow for discussion of the issue…or, ideally, allow for differing opinions so when people want a solid beginner/intermediate program or want to switch things up they can point out that these methods may be the ticket. it’s bullshit.
To the OP- pick an upper push, an upper pull and a lower body exercise (either a squat or a deadlift) and hit those at every 48 hours. throw in assistance work (e.g. calves and shoulders one day, bis/tris another) at the end as desired…just don’t “blast” things because the idea is to stimulate and then nourish/rest then hit it again. less is more.
An example
A
squat
dips
rows
curls and cg bench (2 sets of each only, supersetted)
B
stiff leg dead
military press
pull ups
shrugs and calf raises (2 sets of each, higher reps, supersetted)
Keep track of things and progress within the rep range that makes sense based on your goals.
i’ve done DC, traditional splits and full body (i don’t like the term tbt because it seems to reference CW’s program specifically).
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So you’ve done just about everything once and have achieved how much?
(that is a serious question, by the way)
Oh yeah: Everything works better(faster) when you’re on gear… That comment of yours about splits working better for assisted guys is kind of moot, isn’t it?
this is my opinion, but “bodybuilding splits” are particularly effective when the trainee is assisted. i think something like ken liestnar’s program in his sensible training article or a full-body or upper/lower split are best for natural trainees.
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I love how someone manages to throw this out there every damn time someone brings up TBT vs Splits.
I am 100% natural and I have done TBT, upper/lower, push/pulls, “bodybuilding splits”, etc…the bodybuilding splits by FAR work the best.
[quote]forbes wrote:
Why should exercises be changed evry time he lifts?[/quote]
It doesn’t really matter when an exercise is done. An efficient and strong body can lift what ever it wants whenever it wants. Quit letting “exercise theory” determine how you should lift.
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How are you supposed to track progress if you keep changing things? [/quote]
Total volume is how you would track your progress. You are measuring the amount of work you are doing in a given amount of time. It doesn’t really matter what the exercises are because you are measuring work only. You will know if you are getting stronger merely by the weight you are lifting in specific lifts. Over all work/time is all that matters because on average you will be doing the same classes of lifts each week.
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And exercise order doesn’t matter? Try doing curls, and then once your biceps are fatigued, try doing a pullup, or and pulling exercise for that matter. Exercise order IS important.[/quote]
Why are you doing curls? That is a pussy lift that doesn’t gain mass and is totally contradictory to the TBT method. Why don’t you do some calf raises and forearm curls while you are at it?
As I already said, a strong body can lift whatever it wants whenever it wants. In the real world you sometimes don’t have the option to choose. Besides, there are only three lifts to perform each session.
If you want to be tough and strong quit thinking like a bodybuilder.
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I also noticed your last post where you said “eat for fat”. Um, I believe the guy was joking about his “rice cakes and tofu” diet. Didn’t catch that I guess.[/quote]
I assume all post are serious. I do not try to interpret sarcasm with written words unless I happen to know the disposition of the poster.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I like attention and e-drama so I write some total bs (which has been debated to death on here by the vets at least 3000 times) in hopes of starting yet another e-debate.
Oops, time for my daily estrogen injection, gotta go boys![/quote]
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
A bunch of stupid bullcrap.
You are an idiot…seriously.
Lol that’s exactly what I was going to write
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Whatever. You think there aren’t actual athletes that could look like a bodybuilder without doing all the stupid shit they do.
step one: Get big by lifting heavy weights and eating
step two: Diet down to acceptable BF levels
Don’t act like this forum is for professional BBers only and that only their methods work. Anyone that wants to “look good nekid” all they need to do is follow those two rules.
Shit, anyone can be a BBer that has the patience and endurance to do it.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
josh86 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
A bunch of stupid bullcrap.
You are an idiot…seriously.
Hush!
You are a bodybuilder so you wouldn’t know the difference.[/quote]
I’m sick of people telling others not to do curls and other direct arm work so they end up like the OP of another thread on the front page with a 48" chest and only 15" arms.
I’m sick of people telling others not to do curls and other direct arm work so they end up like the OP of another thread on the front page with a 48" chest and only 15" arms.[/quote]
Uhhh…ask Dave Tate or Jim Wendler how often they curl.
I’m sick of people telling others not to do curls and other direct arm work so they end up like the OP of another thread on the front page with a 48" chest and only 15" arms.
Uhhh…ask Dave Tate or Jim Wendler how often they cur.
Bet you their arms are bigger than yours.[/quote]
Lol, last time I checked Dave does quite a bit of arm work and has done a lot more during his transformation time… Or how about Justin Harris? Bodybuilder, big arms, direct arm work, did a meet and totalled elite…
A whole damn lot of powerlifters with big biceps curl… And every single one of them does heavy tricep work, too.
We’ve had a whole bodyweight and arm-measurement thread full of people who thought not working the arms was the way to go… And each and every single one of them had pathetic arms.
I’m sick of people telling others not to do curls and other direct arm work so they end up like the OP of another thread on the front page with a 48" chest and only 15" arms.
Uhhh…ask Dave Tate or Jim Wendler how often they cur.
Bet you their arms are bigger than yours.
Lol, last time I checked Dave does quite a bit of arm work and has done a lot more during his transformation time… Or how about Justin Harris? Bodybuilder, big arms, direct arm work, did a meet and totalled elite…
A whole damn lot of powerlifters with big biceps curl… And every single one of them does heavy tricep work, too.
We’ve had a whole bodyweight and arm-measurement thread full of people who thought not working the arms was the way to go… And each and every single one of them had pathetic arms.
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Yes, and hence the first sentence of the first post I made.
The majority of the mass they gained was not from doing BB splits. Is a BB method the most efficient way to look like a BBer? Maybe. I do not dispute that. There are other methods though.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Whew, got my injection and now I’m back for more bs. Yay me!
You cannot even refute what I say because you know it is truth.
I (among a lot of others) have refuted the very same bs that you are spewing here a dozen times before, most likely more.
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How so? If you only use one method then you have no basis of comparison.
Also, you need to read the first sentence of the first post I made in this forum. I said exactly what you say so then we must agree on somethings. No?
I’m sick of people telling others not to do curls and other direct arm work so they end up like the OP of another thread on the front page with a 48" chest and only 15" arms.
Uhhh…ask Dave Tate or Jim Wendler how often they cur.
Bet you their arms are bigger than yours.
Lol, last time I checked Dave does quite a bit of arm work and has done a lot more during his transformation time… Or how about Justin Harris? Bodybuilder, big arms, direct arm work, did a meet and totalled elite…
A whole damn lot of powerlifters with big biceps curl… And every single one of them does heavy tricep work, too.
We’ve had a whole bodyweight and arm-measurement thread full of people who thought not working the arms was the way to go… And each and every single one of them had pathetic arms.
Yes, and hence the first sentence of the first post I made.
The majority of the mass they gained was not from doing BB splits. Is a BB method the most efficient way to look like a BBer? Maybe. I do not dispute that. There are other methods though.[/quote]
Who the hell is talking about bb splits here? We are talking about direct arm work. Tate has bigger arms than most powerlifters because he (hey, he said it himself) tore his pecs I dunno how many times and, as a result, had to do a ton of tricep work to allow his tris to compensate for his chest… His biceps were nothing to write home about until he actually did direct bicep work under Justin Harris and co.
The majority of the mass they gained was not from doing BB splits. Is a BB method the most efficient way to look like a BBer? Maybe. I do not dispute that. There are other methods though.[/quote]
The majority of his mass was gained by getting stronger for reps. Who cares what routine you use to do just that? The issue is that his biceps weren’t great until he trained them directly.
