Switching from Splits to TBT

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Really? I know of maybe 50-100 of these people on here, and that’s including the strength-sports and female forums.
The rest are either confused from reading 500 articles from people with mostly different opinions… Or simply don’t want to gain more than 10-20 lbs of muscle while losing as much fat as they can.
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Really? There are guys here who say they don’t want to gain more the 10-20 lbs of muscle? Is that like those guys who say ‘I don’t want to get too big’? Yeh, right, like that would even happen.

I haven’t seen many of these posts, but if that is true then my statement certainly does not apply to them. They need to stay out of T-Nation and go read mens health!

Yes, I have seen some of this and some comes from authors like Chad Waterbury. I get tired of these guys bashing bodybuilders. They are just jealous because they are strong but still have the body of a ten year old boy.

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Applying all and any reasonable training methods, huh… Weird, most of the time I see someone here post their oh-so reasonable training methods, all I can think is: “You’re going to end up with tendonitis in your elbows and knees as well as arthritis and a torn supraspinatus in your shoulders within a few years, no matter how much you deload. Oh, and chances are you’ll never get big/strong.”

But what do I know… [/quote]

I meant ‘reasonable’ based on actual science and proven results in the gym. Not some retard saying ‘I will do pushups every ten minutes for 24hrs, etc…’

I just think that there is value in using new approaches and technology if it makes sense. Many guys in the gym accept new technology in every area of their life except the gym. Sure, the old ways work, but if something works better, or could work better, makes sense to give it a try.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
I just think that there is value in using new approaches and technology if it makes sense. Many guys in the gym accept new technology in every area of their life except the gym. Sure, the old ways work, but if something works better, or could work better, makes sense to give it a try.

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There’s nothing wrong with thinking that, but the basics still work for a reason…you have to do all of that in order to reach a level where you KNOW what your body needs from experience.

If I NEEDED deloading sessions, I wouldn’t have been able to build myself up. Obviously it was NOT necessary.

In fact, if you do actually NEED scheduled deloading sessions, I would recommend you take a look at your overall training.

Discounting some specific training philosophy like Doggcrap training which apparently uses these (which is fine if that is a part of this program), it should not be a growing notion that “deloading” is necessary just because you read it somewhere.

Your overall training should allow for LONG TERM progress that does NOT need entire weeks schedule for less weight or complete rest.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Do you mean hardgainer as in not chemically enhanced?

Since when does “hardgainer” mean “not chemically enhanced”?

People on this site use hardgainer as if everyone here has significant trouble making any gains in muscle at all. The truth is there are about as many true “hardgainers” as there are Max Charles’ who can eat whenever they please and weigh 300lbs because of it.

Everyone else falls in the middle.

If all of these people are “hardgainers” why do they also feel they are training so hard that they need to “deload” on a regular basis?

Have you seen the pics of most of these people? If they were training as hard as they say they are, they would fucking look like it. No one lifts that hard for years on end pushing their limits constantly and still looks like they just started lifting last week.

We have people here SCHEDULING entire weeks off as if they just competed in the Olympics. Yet these are the same people who apparently can’t even build arms bigger than 15".

I have a real hard time believing most of these people are training so hard when their progress is this poor, so why the fuck do they need “deloading” sessions scheduled in a training routine? Most of the people would still qualify as NEWBIES even if they’ve been lifting for years.

I agree with most of what you have stated. And a newbe does not need to deload. The entire reason newbe’s make so much progress is because their systems are fresh. So deloading as a newbe is just slacking off in my opinion.

However, for someone who has been training hard for years I believe there is value in planned deloading. It’s is the same concept as periodization, cycling, light/heavy days, detraining, etc.

Many, many systems use the idea of a planned period where the intensity is less. So I think it is a good idea for seasoned lifters to cycle intensity, but not newbe’s.

A true “seasoned lifter” will know how to listen to his own body. A true seasoned lifter won’t need someone to tell him to back off for a couple of days. They won’t need to schedule anything.

I took yesterday off. I had no plans to take yesterday off until I noticed my biceps, triceps and knees were still sore. That basically cuts out back, biceps, chest, shoulder and leg training as a result.

No one had to tell me that. No one SHOULD have to tell me that and it did NOT require a “planned deloading session”.[/quote]

I thought you were against any and all deloading, but now I see your point. But some don’t listen to their body and try and blast away even when they are tired or not fully recovered. So planning a day off might work better for them.

I do agree that deloading when your body needs deloading is much better than randomly deloading. I know that goes against the concepts of periodization, but I have never been a fan of that method as it never seems to work as well in the gym as it does no paper.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

I thought you were against any and all deloading, but now I see your point.

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I am against using new twists on old concepts just so these trainers can get their names out there. A REST FUCK DAY is not a “deloading” session. It’s REST. I RESTED because I was not FULLY RECOVERED.

That is not a new concept. I am pretty sure Moses thought of that after those long walks in the sand for 40 years.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

I thought you were against any and all deloading, but now I see your point.

I am against using new twists on old concepts just so these trainers can get their names out there. A REST FUCK DAY is not a “deloading” session. It’s REST. I RESTED because I was not FULLY RECOVERED.

That is not a new concept. I am pretty sure Moses thought of that after those long walks in the sand for 40 years.[/quote]

Prof X,
That was indeed a valiant attempt, but surely after 40 years of GPP, Moses emerged from the desert with a biblically accurate six pack, so he had a gaggle of ladies waiting to pleasure him. The deloading came after he put the ten commandments down :slight_smile:

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

I thought you were against any and all deloading, but now I see your point.

I am against using new twists on old concepts just so these trainers can get their names out there. A REST FUCK DAY is not a “deloading” session. It’s REST. I RESTED because I was not FULLY RECOVERED.

That is not a new concept. I am pretty sure Moses thought of that after those long walks in the sand for 40 years.

Prof X,
That was indeed a valiant attempt, but surely after 40 years of GPP, Moses emerged from the desert with a biblically accurate six pack, so he had a gaggle of ladies waiting to pleasure him. The deloading came after he put the ten commandments down :slight_smile:

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True, true.

“thou shalt not have blurry abs lest the ladies shalt not rub thy back” was part of the original set of rules before Moses dropped them.

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But surely God overruled him though, by keeping the seventh day as a day of rest. That has be the supreme day of deloading.

God said: “Trainest on the seventh day at thou peril, for then thou shalt not get jacked”…

Having said that, Moses obviously knew better than the divine creator.

God may look better fully clothed, but Moses always got the pussy on the beach, 'coz he knew when to deload and he looked like Charlton Heston too…

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i’m recently switched to TBT too. before i was doing an upper/lower split.

TBT seems to work better for me. even though i’m training as an athlete, i’m building more muscle and strenght then when i was using more of a bodybuilding style split.