Will be doing bloodwork soon…
I usually get E2 checked, AST/ALT, blood panel(with all the hemoglobins and shit), IGF, kidney stuff and cholesterol stuff…
Is there something else i should see to know how am i doin on this cruise?
Made a progress/regress pic, because people rarely post actual shit here and i wanna be a good example…
-Pic on the right is 220lbs on 1g of test and 500-700mg of tren a week.
-Pic on the left is after a year of bulk up to 260lbs and half a cut down to around 245lbs on 290mgs of test, 2iu GH a day, and beginning of some slin experiment pre and post workouts.
For now - still fat… Got a bit less than a whole inch extra to the biceps size, and everything else is bigger even tho picture does not show it too much - i tried to do the same lights and same photo edit app, but it is what it is… Actually in picture i trully look only fatter. In life, i actually am noticably bigger tho. But fuck it, made a pic, so i have something to compare to later anyways.
Todays bloodwork shows - blood is a bit thick(i drink a bit less on fasting days because i have to go to pee 5 times(yes, exactly 5) a night if i drink as usual because i seem to be losing water bloat that i pack on the days i eat more and take slin) - so hematocrit and rbc is a bit over the norm…
-AST and ALT are much better than they were before, but still on the high side(i have never in my life had em around actual normal ranges - below 100 is good for me).
-LDL is 1.99mmol/L
-HDL is 0.85mmol/L
-e2 is in the norm so i will take some anastrozole off because i dont mind it being a bit higher
-GH is OVER the norm a bit, 24hours after the last injection.
Aaaand - IGF isnt budging on the slin also.
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Hey Hank, nice post thanks!
At what BF are you roughly in the left picture? Is 11-13% accurate in your opinion?
I would say that its like 15-17% probably but i have no real way of testing and have never done it so i cant even compare.
My bodyfat is weird as i always have lean-ish legs, arms and shoulders, and most of my fat is on my sides. I had fat handles even in the right pic. When i was starved down super lean and wore tighter venum shorts for training there always were some handles squeezing over them, even tho my abs were sticking through winter sweaters.
So if we would just take mid section - my BF is very high. If we measure shoulders and arms - super low.
I remember like 3 years ago in a gym, there was a bodybuilder dude who had a contest in few weeks. I was just doing my regular shit and he came and asked - if im getting ready for the same contest and i was like “what? no…”… The he said i look super lean and then… he said : “yea, i need to be as lean as you for my show”. And i was like - wtf. Later in the locker room he was taking pics for his trainer and of course his mid-section was twice as small as mine and super lean - except for shoulders, i was much fatter than he was. I have just bad genetics as it comes to fat.
On second look I’d say 15 is probably right. I have the same distribution as you have. Exactly the same.
i think you are hard with you man ! you are in good shape !
Thanks man 
So my first cruise dose was 400mg. Then moved to 290mg and now i am down to 250-260(hard to draw precise) but doing ED shots as we discussed with @Professor_Hulk in some other thread.
My bloods came back interesting…
- My SHBG is 16 and i have been off anavar for months now, so as i understand doing ED shots was the right call…
My test came back 2640. On 400mg a week with E3D shots it was 2740. E2 is up also, so i guess it proves that i am getting more out of 250mg a week thanks to ED shots. My libido is also higher in the mornings and i do believe i am gaining muscle and strenght. - My cholesterols continue to improve. LDL is 2mmol/L and HDL is 0,91 which is the highest i have ever seen it. It was around .40 or .50 while on a blast.
- IGF is up 60 points thanks to MK but im not sure its worth taking 20mg of MK a day tho. Still the highest IGF i have seen.
- AST and ALT have worsened a bit. Probably due to MK…
- What does suck is that my hematocrit, rbc and hemoglobin are stupid high. This started before i took the MK. Weirdly, it gets worse on lower test dosages than it ever was on much higher ones with other drugs in the mix. The only difference i can see is that i used to do my bloodwork mid-day, after the gym, after drinking water, and if i had breakfast i also had 100mg aspirin with food(doctor recomendation). But these last times when it showed bad results i did it as soon as i woke up. So maybe its not actually that bad and i just need to see it again some day mid-day?
I also have a question - if needed, can i increase my aspirin a bit? Would that help?
How high are we talking? I think it went up, despite the lower test dose, because of the more frequent injections. Back in November of late year I experimented with really low dose (70mg/w) but took daily shots. My HCT went up three points in that time, which is a ton for one month.
Aspirin helps thin the blood but it doesn’t lower the number of red blood cells. Telmisartan will lower HCT to some degree, but the amount varies person to person.
Being dehydrated definitely is a factor. Numbers can vary by a decent amount depending on just how dehydrated you are. For now I’d say make sure you don’t get dehydrated during your everyday life, it increases your risk of an adverse event when you have thick blood.
Mine also stay high on anything higher than 200mg/wk. If im above 200/wk and go any more than 8 weeks between blood donations, my numbers get so high they won’t let me donate. It happened once. They turned me away. I cruised on 150 for a while and it came down.
If you’re concerned about it, I’m afraid the most effective way to get it down is:
- Donate. This is a quick fix, but if you stay on 250/wk, it will just climb right back up.
- Lower your dose down to physiological levels for a few weeks. At 2640, you are more than double physiological levels and have tons of room to come down more. I doubt you’ll loose muscle if you’re not in a calorie deficit and continue daily shots. 150/wk, shot daily, should keep you right at the top of the range, or slightly over. That, together with a slight calorie surplus, should prevent muscle loss. There are anecdotal accounts all over the internet of dudes maintaining great physiques on 150 or less/wk.
But I know you prolly don’t wanna hear that “lower your dose” shit. Just sharing my experiences.
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@iron_yuppie
RBC was 6.0(10x12/L) around 2 weeks back and 6.2 now.
Hemoglobin was 184 and now is 192g/L
HCT was 57, and now is 59%…
Al these were done first thing in the morning…
I had all these in the norm when i was blasting shitton of gear. With the exception that i did bloods mid-day, after i was done training my early bird clients and most times did my own training.
When i was fat, bulking and on GRAMS of shit a few months ago, even EQ and everything that could fuck my bloodwork, i still had all these in the norm… With the exception that i had eaten before and therefore taken 100mg aspirin with my breakfast as my doctor wants me to.
@Professor_Hulk - well thats the mindfuck then… i went on a cruise to fix my shit, but my shit is worse than it was on test, eq, tren and winny. Something does not add up. Whats the point of a cruise? Then i can just go back on 500mg of test and all my markers, except cholesterols, were better.
@anon18050987 - so if aspirin can help that much, can i do/try 100mg twice a day? How bad is aspiring long term? What does it fuck with?
I read in your link that higher hematocrit might be ok… What do you think about my bloodwork(i posted the results for iron_yuppie a bit higher) ?
Based on that it sounds like your HCT is high but that 59% reading is probably skewed by dehydration. Even if it’s actually 57% when properly hydrated I’d be concerned at that point.
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Yes. I am concerned. It was 51% when i was blasting test, eq, tren and winny.
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Many years ago, a guy posted about a medical concern. He had seen his doc for a checkup, and she told him his labs indicated he was losing blood. Her #1 concern was that he was harboring an occult colon cancer that was bleeding too slowly to cause him to pass frank blood. (He denied hematochezia.) Appropriately, she had scheduled him for a colonoscopy for ‘unexplained blood loss–r/o cancer.’ He was understandably freaked by the possibility of having cancer.
He posted his labs and it was an easy call for any doc to make–this person is losing blood. Of note, he was a lot like @hankthetank89–relatively young, big strong guy. Heavy, chronic AAS use.
Well…After some back-and-forth with various posters, it turned out this guy had been engaging in self-phlebotomy. It seems his H&H ran up on the reg because of the AAS, and he was in the habit of periodically bleeding off a pint or so. This explained completely the ‘unexplained’ blood loss that so concerned his physician, and thus obviated the need for colonoscopy. He was advised to come clean with his physican regarding his ‘shade tree phlebotomy,’ whereby he could avoid the unpleasantness associated with colonoscopy.
He elected to keep quiet and have the scope.
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I actually was thinking the same thing - just dumping some blood myself.
I am not really a dumbfuck and i know tons of nurses that are stupid as shit but they manage to be able to take blood in clinics and hospitals. By what i have seen it looks like i just need the right needle - its nothing much different than injecting IM shit, you only need to find a vein.
If my bloodwork will remain shit during the day, and/or upping the aspirin wont help, ill probably do something like that myself also.
Still waiting for @anon18050987 to answer my question about aspirin tho.
I agree man. I have no explanation for you as to how you stayed in ranges on labs, on so much gear. Defies logic. When I first started seeing you post on here, on how much shit you were on, for how long, and that you were healthy, i said “this dude is a freak of nature. The rules of biology do not apply to him.”
I’m sure there are probably drugs out there that you could throw at this problem, aspirin included. But I still believe the healthiest and most effective way for you to get everything in range would be to cruise low and eat well for a while.
What I haven’t seen discussed is….your GH use. Were you on GH before when you were permablasting and everything was in range? Could the GH have anything to do with it?
Its hard to read lots of your links and i also dont understand half the therminology you used in this comment also.
English is my third language, and in the country i live in, we dont use any international abbreviations, so most of the stuff i google, i cant even translate, and it doesnt translate well in any ways.
Fasting glucose was borderline normal, but a bit high side(thats why i also was interested in insulin).
Other stuff i havent checked lately, and most of the ones you mentioned i dont understand and cant translate so i could find em in any way.
But i also cant just go and do ALL of those as it would cost me at least 1/3 of my monthly income so i really need to stick to the important ones.
So
- I will try to check em during the day, sometime next week. I can add some of the markers extra if you tell me which ones are the most important now…
- If that stuff is still bad, ill add a bit more aspirin…
I dont plan on doing that as that would counter-act why im on a cruise. If this bloodwork stuff continues to fuck me, i will just go back to 400-600mgs and see if im back to normal. I had 51% HCT and perfect RBC when i was blasting. If my blood gets worse on a cruise, i see no point for a cruise.
I take 0.5g, also chewable… i can up the dose if you think its good.
Yes, i was taking GH when i was doing my last blast and when my HCT was 51% at the highest, and RDC was in normal range.
I didnt up the dose of GH, i switched to doing double dose EOD as it is preffered to combat insulin resistance. Could try going back to 2ius ED instead of 4iu EOD but i dont think its because of GH as total dosage is the same.
What i do different now is - insulin.
So i guess - first thing is to check blood mid-day instead of early morning. Then play with aspirin a bit. Then i could see if going back to ED shots GH changes anything. Then i can also quit slin for a while to see if that does the trick. Anyways, it will take me around 2 months to go through this now, as stuff wont change in few days if i change anything now.
Thanks, i will tag you if i have some questions and when i get some new results.
Edit - no, IGF hasnt moved up that much…
Hct started to go up before i started MK. Igf is up 60 points now because of MK but it still is 180… Its mid range normal…
No clue. But i have prescribed meds for those. All the cheap measuring thingies are crap here.
edit : not totally resting - came home, jumped in bed and counted heart beats on my wrist - 65 in 1min… could probably shave off a few if id lie down for a bit instead of just doing it right after a brisk walk home.
i believe this one is fine…
Recovery should also be good as i am doing very intense cardio EOD with intervals but im not sure how to check it. I can only use those thingies they have on cardio equipment.